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Stimulants l-methamphetamine's possible recreational value?

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rollin_stoned

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I searched on Bluelight for some answers about this, and I was able to find this helpful thread. However, it didn't answer all of my questions and made me a bit more confused about my question. One in particular is if this drug found in Vick's inhalers (in the U.S. at least, they removed it from the Vick's inhalers in Australia and possibly other places as well) is able to cross the BBB. The majority of people were claiming that it does in fact cross it while others were saying it doesn't, so would any of you be able to give me a definite answer and be able to provide sources?

I began wondering this even before I knew l-methamphetamine was in the Vick's inhaler because I had bought one last week when I was sick, and I used it yesterday because I was doing mephedrone, and I know how well that works with both MDMA and mephedrone (and more than likely other stimulants) to give you a momentary boost of the high. Throughout my entire session with the mephedrone, I was inhaling it through my nose, but I was nowhere near how strong I was inhaling it after I did my last line of the mephedrone. I was also smoking spice (jwh infused "incense") and took 6 mg etizolam (i've got a tolerance) for the comedown. I continued to use the inhaler at this time, but I was doing something different. I would inhale as deep and strong through my nose while covering one of my nostrils, and then I would hold my breath.

The first time I actually felt it, I thought it was from lack of oxygen. However, even the times when I would do half a breath of the Vick's and then breathing air I would still get the same exact feeling even when I didn't hold my breath that long. The feeling I got is really hard to describe, but I'll try my best. I would feel it start to come on in my body going towards my head...it was a tingly, buzzing feeling that was also relaxing. That feeling continued to get stronger and stronger until I eventually "lost consciousness". I put that in quotes because of how strong this feeling got, and this is where it gets hard to describe. It's almost as though you're completely brain dead, almost no thoughts whatsoever yet you're able to see the world around you. What's weird is, what you see has no meaning and it just looks like a bunch of shapes of colors. Then you begin to "regain consciousness" aka you're able to think again and the shapes of colors start to get more meaning until you're back to your old self with the initial tingly/buzzing sensation.

After doing this a dozen times, I began thinking that what I was feeling probably wasn't a good thing, so I stopped doing it (funny, I know, but etizolam makes me really fiendish). I also stopped because I was wondering why I was feeling that way because I thought these inhalers only had some form of menthol in it and nothing else until I looked on the package and saw there was an active ingredient of, low and behold, l-methamphetamine. So can anyone shine any light on this? I personally believe that it can cross the BBB, but people think otherwise (or think that it's non-recreational) because you have to do a lot of it for a long period of time. I hope someone can answer this.
 
My understanding was it did not cross the blood-brain-barrier to any significant degree, and wikipedia agrees (not a primary source I know, can't find anything useful sorry..)

This is a bit advanced for BDD so I'm going to move it to OD - however your best bet however might be to ask in this thread in ADD - I don't think your thread here would fit with the ADD guidelines so I;m not going to move it there, but that is the place for asking pharmacological questions that don't quite justify their own thread in ADD..

BDD > OD
 
I'm pretty sure l-methamphetamine does in fact cross the BBB (though I'm not certain), but it doesn't matter because the isomer produces unpleasant PNS stimulation and very little of the "high" associated with d-meth. It's the big reason d-meth from pseudo is usually preferred among recreational drug users to racemic meth produced via P2P.
 
i merely wish to correct the OP

it's called 'levmetamfetamine', but has been reformed once again, and now it's 'levmetfetamine'
[this is the patriotic U.S. spelling]

small addendum, but i feel it's [sadly] important.
 
L-methamphetamine is still correct, the USAN of levmetfetamine was only invented to stop people from saying "oh, methamphetamine! at my local drugstore! I'll take 10"
 
The L-isomer of methamphetamine is highly undesirable for a recreational stimulant user, or a medicinal user of stimulants for ADD/ADHD. L-methamphetamine has a horribly low affinity for DA, making it practically worthless IMO.
 
"Levmetamfetamine" does get you high. I'd say one 50mg cotton is like about 5-10mg of the d-meth, with more peripheral effects, though still not as bad as propylhexedrine or ephedrine.
Captain.Heroin said:
The L-isomer of methamphetamine is highly undesirable for a recreational stimulant user, or a medicinal user of stimulants for ADD/ADHD. L-methamphetamine has a horribly low affinity for DA, making it practically worthless IMO.
Actually, many tweakers, particularly older tweakers, prefer d,l P2P dope over d-meth. Apparently l-meth has good synergy with d-meth. Supposedly the high is smoother, longer,more Sensual , less paranoid with a bigger rush than d-meth, though I think it might be the impurities in ephedrine cooked dope(aziridines) that cause the alleged negative effects not found in P2P dope.Someone can't believe that crystal is basically the same as the'White Crosses'(bootleg dl-meth pills from mexico). And Biphetamine was probably the most popular upper in the 60s-80s besides meth/coke, it was a mixture of dextroamphetamine and dl-amphetamine in an ion-exchange resin for extended release. So the levo isomer isn't totally useless.
 
So wait, are you meaning L-amphetamine or L-methamphetamine?
Because L-amphet. does cross BBB and is a common ADHD drug in the states.
It does have recreational value, but not like D-amphet.
L-amphet. induces a more mental stimuli, without the negative physical effects. [Sweating, clamminess, chills, etc.]
More of a Ritalin/Speedy effect than a Meth/Tweaking effect.
 
I guess it's all subjective, but swallowing a vicks vapor inhaler cotton did product some positive effects for me that I considered better than ephedrine, propylhexedrine, and phentermine, though it'd be cheaper just to buy the real shit.This study(http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17015058) showed that higher doses of l-meth did have positive effects at high dose comparable too but shorter lived and less desirable than d/dl methamphetamine.

Me, I like the clean feeling of dexies more than the feeling of adderall, but both adderall and biphetamine are prefered by many.From what I've heard about P2P dope I'd prefer racemic meth over 50%d-meth with MSM. I wonder what a 3-1 d to l ratio with meth would feel like? Or with x?

rolling_stoned, this study(http://www.biomedcentral.com/1472-6904/8/4) found that vicks at the recommended dose did have a small effect, so it's not outrages to suggest that you got some effect from it.
 
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NeighborhoodThreat said:
I'd say, personally, that ephedrine is 10x more useful/recreational than l-methamphetamine.
Your right, because it can be converted to d-desoxyephedrine=D. For me ephedrine just feels toxic. I wouldn't be suprised if the FDA takes it off the market like phenylpropanolamine(the d-psuedonorephedrine was safer, but is schedule IV in the US, so the more toxic dl-norephedrine was used in the US, other countries use d-psuedonorephedrine) and makes it schedule II/III(It's still used a lot in hospitals).
 
^It's a pretty dirty drug, but it actually works as a stimulant (in comparison to levomethamphetamine which, IMO, does nothing but its intended purpose as a decongestant).
 
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