Opioids "Krypton" Kratom (O-desmethyltramadol and caffeine?)

[Znegative]

god man, I can't wait for my paycheck.

 

[Ne0]

Does this still contain o-desyltramadol? As its almost impossible to get it as pure powder now.

 

[Morphoid]

Yes it still contains o-desmethyltramadol. It's actually quite a potent mix! I have a big tramadol habit, 500mg/day and I took a full 3g sachet of Krypton and that only just hit the mark. If I could get hold of it more cheaply I'd be on it all the time! I wish you could still get hold of o-desmethyltramadol powder as an RC but no-where has it anymore.

 

[DuckSauce]

This krypton sounds bang bang chuchu train to me. I've never tried kratom but from what I hear it is not all that great of a high (depending on who you ask of course). I would think this o-desmethyltramadol would make it much more enjoyable but thats just me.: Also ive never heard of this tramadol type jammer and i can see how it could be dangerous if an unknowing person without a tolerance doses too high thinking it is simply regular run-of-the mill kratom.

 

[Morphoid]

Quite right, O-desmethyltramadol has an affinity for the mu-opioid receptor 200 times greater than that of tramadol alone.

I managed to take a full 3g bag of Krypton for a fucking amazing nod, but to someone without a tolerance I imagine that would be a hospital/naloxone injection job.

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

Of course I would - who wants cut deals? It goes without saying that street drugs will be cut but the unwritten rule is that dealers don't cut their gear with anything nasty. Active cuts count as nasty - especially in a legal "herbal" product.

Even inactive cuts are a big no-no. Would you be happy if you bought weed that had been sprayed with ground glass so it weighs more and looks nice and crystally at first glance? No. But most of the UK had vast amounts of gritweed dumped on them recently and weed buyers en masse told the dealers to fuck off - we got decent weed again.

Don't stand for dodgy cuts or people really will take the piss. Like secretly putting an addictive, little known, synthetic opiate onto a "natural" product purely to keep your customers addicted. It's just a plain scummy thing to do.

It was not glass that was sprayed on in most cases it was sylica (the stuff you get in little packs inside new shoes that keeps the moisture out) as this stuff absorbs moisture so the weed would not loose weight when it was dried out.

 

[Rexeh]

Is this stuff packed into three capsules inside a green package labeled "Kryptonite"? I know a "Herbal E" which is quite good compared to the rest of the legal stuff.

Some more info about the Kryptonite I am talking about:

1 capsule contains:-
Vitamine B12: 3 mcg
Vitamine B1: 1.4 mg
Vitamine B2: 1.6 mg
Vitamine B5: 6 mg
Vitamine B6 (Pyridoxal-5-Fosfaat): 10 mg
Vitamine B3 (Niacine): 36 mg
L-tyrosine: 20 mg
L-Phenylalanine: 20 mg
Kryptonite Unique Blend: Ololiuqui 180 mg
Kryptonite Proprietary blend 423 mg: Plant extracts: Piper nigrum L., Piper longum L., Citrus aurantium, Griffonia seed, Grapefruit seed , Natural caffein

WARNING
Kryptonite is a nutritional supplement, enriched with plant extracts, for occasional use. Kryptonite does not make any health claims. Usage, other then indicated, is entirely at your own risk. Do not use Kryptonite in case of pregnancy or when nursing, in case of heart and vascular diseases, high blood pressure, diabetes, glaucoma, and thyroid gland, kidney or prostate disorder. Not to be used by persons who are taking MAO-inhibitors, anti-depressants, or other medication or products. Kryptonite may have an influence on the effect of other medication or products, for it can strengthen or prolong their activity. Do not combine with heavy physical exercise. Discontinue use immediately in case of nervousness, tremor, sleeplessness, reduced appetite or heart palpitations. Contains natural sources of caffeine. Always consult a specialist in case of doubt! Keep Kryptonite out of reach of children!

-- Peace o/

 

[Kenaz]

Dream on captain. Your shit was definitely cut, less than most at best.

It is unfortunate that kratom will get a bad name for this kind of thing but lets be honest here: did you not put 2 + 2 together when you saw a foil packet of kratom from china that cost over 10 dollars a gram?

Sure they should not have used Kratom as the carrier medium but you would have to be retarded to not suspect that you were buying more than Kratom.

By the way, the tramadol is not a 'cut', it is the active chemical. If anything the cut is the kratom carrier leaf.

If "you" are a youth (of any age) with more money than experience, you may honestly believe you are purchasing a "concentrated extract" of kratom. This is especially true given that the label says as much. I can certainly see where journalists and legislators would see a krypton OD as proof that kratom, not just O-desmethyltramadol, needed to be banned.

Does O-desmethyltramadol have a tendency to induce seizures like plain ol' prescription tramadol? If so this stuff could be considerably more dangerous than regular kratom. And the combined SSRI/opiate withdrawal from this could be extremely unpleasant - potentially worse than kicking Tramadol and almost certainly at least as bad.

I'm with others on this thread: selling this shit as "Kratom extract" is irresponsible and dangerous.

 

[daddysgone]

If "you" are a youth (of any age) with more money than experience, you may honestly believe you are purchasing a "concentrated extract" of kratom. This is especially true given that the label says as much. I can certainly see where journalists and legislators would see a krypton OD as proof that kratom, not just O-desmethyltramadol, needed to be banned.

Does O-desmethyltramadol have a tendency to induce seizures like plain ol' prescription tramadol? If so this stuff could be considerably more dangerous than regular kratom. And the combined SSRI/opiate withdrawal from this could be extremely unpleasant - potentially worse than kicking Tramadol and almost certainly at least as bad.

I'm with others on this thread: selling this shit as "Kratom extract" is irresponsible and dangerous.

It seems that o-desmethyltramadol does have some seizure risk, but it is much lower then tramadol.

I am curious about where the makers of krypton are getting the o-desmethyltramadol. The stuff has completely fallen off the map, and yet they continue to produce their kratom which is enhanced with it. Perhaps they just bought a huge bulk quantity of o-desmethyl back when it is available and have been using that.

 

[Carcass]

First up.. This O-des is so far just a rumour.
No one has been able to come up with a link to prove any of this. Rumour has it that someone in Germany has got this info but since there is NO proof at all, it´s probably just a rumour..
As far as we know there is only concentrated Kratom extracts with lots of Caffeine added. No one has proved anything else.

There is NO deadly O.D so far. ONE person died in Sweden but he had about six or seven other substances in his blood so Krypton was probably NOT what killed him. He had both Benso and lots of alcohol in his blood..

Though kids CAN get this and take a to big a dose but really, they can do this with anything and they only need to read to see that it´s not "regular Kratom". Also, the word gets around so the most likely know what it is already..

If someone is stupid enough to take like 20grams of this they surely will do the same with Alcohol or some other leagal or illegal substance and end up in a much worse place anyway. Stupid people has a way of erasing themselves ;-)

Krypton does NOT show up on any drug-tests and it does NOT cause seizures. (at least there has been NO reports of this from any country) so it´s a great recreational drug wich is great as painkiller BUT with BIG risks of becoming addicted..

I myself has been addicted to Tramadol and Codeine for 3-4yrs. Started when I got these meds to ease problems with cronic pain in my back/shoulders/neck.
However, I discovered that Krypton is much more effective than either of these two meds so I switched to Krypton.
This way I also could stop bothering the damn doctors for more pills ;-)
(in Sweden, doctors are reluctant to prescribe needed painkillers, can´t imagine why..)

The only downside so far has been the price and the horrible withdrawal you get once in a while..
When I "take a break" from Krypton to lower my tolerance I use Subutex (Buprenorfin) at a low dosage for 4-5days. This takes away ALL of the physical WD-symptons.

I got a horrible seizure and ended up in hospital when I used Tramadol, this was what got me to look for a replacement drug in the first place but really, Tramadol and Codeine can´t compete with this when it comes to pure euphoria. Krypton is simply great!

My verdict is:

+
Great as Painkiller,
Fantastic as recreation
Works fast, effects last quite a while
Does not show up on Drug-tests
No risk of Seizures (that we know of..)
Easy to get over the counter
GREAT for my depression and Social phobia AND my cronic pain(as any ordinary Opiate, really)
You can use it in public without looking like a total junkie. You appear ´normal´ (on a low dosage)

-
Horrible WD
Quickly addicting (didn´t matter to me as I was already addicted though. I merely switched drugs)
Expensive when your tolerance levels rise
WILL make your stomach work in a really strange way (like any Opiate)
Maybe TOO easy to get. Kids MIGHT get into something they didn´t expect.


Krypton is simply great if used with caution. A VERY good substitute for "real Opiates" if you want/need the legal stuff. I actuallt like the ´euphoria´better than "the real deal". It makes my depression simply disappear, I can enjoy life for the first time in like ten years

Keep Krypton legal, keep it away from teens and use it with sense!


**EDIT** And as you can see by the lenght of this post, I´m quite "under the influence" while writing this, haha **EDIT**

 

[dokomo]

It seems that o-desmethyltramadol does have some seizure risk, but it is much lower then tramadol.

I am curious about where the makers of krypton are getting the o-desmethyltramadol. The stuff has completely fallen off the map, and yet they continue to produce their kratom which is enhanced with it. Perhaps they just bought a huge bulk quantity of o-desmethyl back when it is available and have been using that.

I'd like to add that what little research there is on the matter supports this--that o-desmethyltramadol does have a lower seizure risk than tramadol. I'd still be cautious with it however, especially when a dose isn't quantifiable.

 

[daddysgone]

First up.. This O-des is so far just a rumour.
No one has been able to come up with a link to prove any of this. Rumour has it that someone in Germany has got this info but since there is NO proof at all, it´s probably just a rumour..
As far as we know there is only concentrated Kratom extracts with lots of Caffeine added. No one has proved anything else.

There is NO deadly O.D so far. ONE person died in Sweden but he had about six or seven other substances in his blood so Krypton was probably NOT what killed him. He had both Benso and lots of alcohol in his blood..

Though kids CAN get this and take a to big a dose but really, they can do this with anything and they only need to read to see that it´s not "regular Kratom". Also, the word gets around so the most likely know what it is already..

If someone is stupid enough to take like 20grams of this they surely will do the same with Alcohol or some other leagal or illegal substance and end up in a much worse place anyway. Stupid people has a way of erasing themselves ;-)

Krypton does NOT show up on any drug-tests and it does NOT cause seizures. (at least there has been NO reports of this from any country) so it´s a great recreational drug wich is great as painkiller BUT with BIG risks of becoming addicted..

I myself has been addicted to Tramadol and Codeine for 3-4yrs. Started when I got these meds to ease problems with cronic pain in my back/shoulders/neck.
However, I discovered that Krypton is much more effective than either of these two meds so I switched to Krypton.
This way I also could stop bothering the damn doctors for more pills ;-)
(in Sweden, doctors are reluctant to prescribe needed painkillers, can´t imagine why..)

The only downside so far has been the price and the horrible withdrawal you get once in a while..
When I "take a break" from Krypton to lower my tolerance I use Subutex (Buprenorfin) at a low dosage for 4-5days. This takes away ALL of the physical WD-symptons.

I got a horrible seizure and ended up in hospital when I used Tramadol, this was what got me to look for a replacement drug in the first place but really, Tramadol and Codeine can´t compete with this when it comes to pure euphoria. Krypton is simply great!

My verdict is:

+
Great as Painkiller,
Fantastic as recreation
Works fast, effects last quite a while
Does not show up on Drug-tests
No risk of Seizures (that we know of..)
Easy to get over the counter
GREAT for my depression and Social phobia AND my cronic pain(as any ordinary Opiate, really)
You can use it in public without looking like a total junkie. You appear ´normal´ (on a low dosage)

-
Horrible WD
Quickly addicting (didn´t matter to me as I was already addicted though. I merely switched drugs)
Expensive when your tolerance levels rise
WILL make your stomach work in a really strange way (like any Opiate)
Maybe TOO easy to get. Kids MIGHT get into something they didn´t expect.


Krypton is simply great if used with caution. A VERY good substitute for "real Opiates" if you want/need the legal stuff. I actuallt like the ´euphoria´better than "the real deal". It makes my depression simply disappear, I can enjoy life for the first time in like ten years

Keep Krypton legal, keep it away from teens and use it with sense!


**EDIT** And as you can see by the lenght of this post, I´m quite "under the influence" while writing this, haha **EDIT**

It is not simply a rumor. Krypton has been independently tested and verified to contain o-desmethyltramadol.

 

[Ne0]

So is the Krypton Kratom that contains this sweet o-desmethyltramadol? Is kryptonite something else? How much o-tramadol it has on 100mg?

 

[villian]

I am curious about where the makers of krypton are getting the o-desmethyltramadol. The stuff has completely fallen off the map, and yet they continue to produce their kratom which is enhanced with it. Perhaps they just bought a huge bulk quantity of o-desmethyl back when it is available and have been using that.

This is just speculation but I'm thinking they either bought a very large amount when it was available or they are having it made via synth themselves. As you know it is not available on the market as of now..

 

[BlueCrest]

So is the Krypton Kratom that contains this sweet o-desmethyltramadol? Is kryptonite something else? How much o-tramadol it has on 100mg?

According to some people who tried both, 500mg Krypton equals 50mg O-desmethyltramadol.

I only consumed Krypton and 500mg of that stuff was a huge dose (no opiate tolerance). 250mg were really nice and 100-150mg is threshold for me.

 

[BrainstormWithJace]

being doing the normal kratom thing how would krypton compare? and also is what is the seizure thresehold for o-desmethyltramadol?

 

[Robtuse]

^ I doubt the kratom is even active at the 500mg - 1g range that one would take of this Krypton. Seems like you're basically taking O-desmethyltramadol on some ground up leaves with a few B vitamins and a cup of coffee. So, in comparison to straight kratom it would be many times stronger and the high would be that of a different opiod.

The seizure risk for O-desmethyltramadol is known to be lower than that of tramadol but I don't know how much lower. If it is a concern and/or you don't know how you react to higher doses of tramadol it might be worth taking a smallish amount of a long acting benzo even though you'd be trading the seizure risk for CNS depression.

There is a short thread in trip reports about shooting O-des... may give some insight.

 

[ashiba]

Is there anyone else who has more info on the ratio of O-des to kratom in Krypton products?

If I get my hands on both of these I'm going to make some homemade Krypton.

 

[shakinhandincision]

I've been a long time opiate user and several months ago, after doing extensive research, I decided to kick the opiates by using kratom as a safer and much cheaper supplement. Surprisingly, it worked. my withdrawal symptoms where minimal and I've discovered that if I go an extended period of time without using kratom, my withdrawal symptoms are hardly noticeable... does anybody know what side effects/withdrawal symptoms, come with the newer stuff, with the synthetic additives?

 

[beeradisbad@gmail.]

they are retarded and the next best non narcotic,wean yourself off suboxone or whatever opoide has you hooked(o-demethyletramadol/tramadol/ultram)is being attacked.state the potency and ingredients,call the company but don't come wining on our vital information forums.