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Misc Kratom withdrawal? ?

jones-in_J

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I recently started taking kratom more often it used to be a once every week or two thing but I did it (6 grams powdered Bali each time) one day, took a one day break and then 3 days in a row.. do you guys think ill get sick if I don't take it tomorrow at all?

I've always heard the rule for opiates is a 3 day run and up means you'll have to detox (I'm am ex heroin addict)

Kratom helps a TON with my crohns disease and I love the energy boost but I don't want to become physically dependent.. thanks a lot in advance

I think its noteworthy that I did it every other day for a week or so prior to that too I left that out. So every other day for a week to a week and a half and then 3 days in a row and then there's tomorrow... I'm working 12 hours tomorrow so its going to be hard not to though =\

well it doesn't matter today i'm just going to drink some caffeine instead for energy even though it makes my crohn's worse it makes my head better so I have to weigh my options,

I guess it was a dumb question to begin with there would be too much to take into consideration for anyone to really be able to answer this mods feel free to delete if you want
 
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Using it 4 times a week at 3-4g at a once daily dose gave me mental and physical wd symptoms on the off days after a few weeks of dosing like that. Sniffles in the morning, fatigue, amotivation, diarrhea, etc. This is after being clean 3 weeks off of two months 100-150mg Nucynta, and about 6 months of 20-90mg hydrocodone usage before that.

Once you've been dependent on opioids, the slightest consistent pattern can make you dependent again.
 
Using it 4 times a week at 3-4g at a once daily dose gave me mental and physical wd symptoms on the off days after a few weeks of dosing like that. Sniffles in the morning, fatigue, amotivation, diarrhea, etc. This is after being clean 3 weeks off of two months 100-150mg Nucynta, and about 6 months of 20-90mg hydrocodone usage before that.

Once you've been dependent on opioids, the slightest consistent pattern can make you dependent again.

Yea I've heard that once you catch a habit its easier to the next time.. fucking sucks man I used to be a big time IV heroin user so my likelihood to catch one easy is def up there. Appreciate the input I seem to be okay with caffeine no withdrawals

But since I am okay I was gonna dose tomorrow but since I read your post I'm having second thoughts. So thanks again for your input
 
It's up to you, man. Sobriety is the best choice, but personally, I think that if you absolutely have to do an opioid, Kratom is an amazing choice. It's a great maintenance drug that's stronger than sobriety and weaker than suboxone, and when you're ready, it's so easy to taper down on Kratom. Just stick to once a day dosing at the very most, and not higher than 4 grams.

I know that if I never used Kratom, I would have started back up on the hydrocodone again. It can save you a whole addiction cycle. It's truly a miracle plant and I hope people continue using it responsibly.
 
yea it's a struggle every day I think about eating percs or shooting dope very day I hate how much opiates control my thinking after this long after almost a year of nothing but kratom...

I wouldn't of made it this far without it though when the cravings get unbearable it's a life saver (literally)

I have such an addictive personality though fuuuuuuck swore I'd go longer without it but fuck it just dosed 8)
 
Hope you're doing well, j-in-J. Don't feel bad about it, and don't think you totally screwed up your clean time. Kratom is definitely the lesser of two evils, and if you ever say "fuck it," just stick with the Kratom. It will save you a lot of headache and troubles over the more destructive opiates.
 
I agree, I'd be doin dope if not for kratom, its been a life saver. +1 on this: "It's truly a miracle plant and I hope people continue using it responsibly"

It's up to you, man. Sobriety is the best choice, but personally, I think that if you absolutely have to do an opioid, Kratom is an amazing choice. It's a great maintenance drug that's stronger than sobriety and weaker than suboxone, and when you're ready, it's so easy to taper down on Kratom. Just stick to once a day dosing at the very most, and not higher than 4 grams.

I know that if I never used Kratom, I would have started back up on the hydrocodone again. It can save you a whole addiction cycle. It's truly a miracle plant and I hope people continue using it responsibly.
 
It can be good, and it can be bad, like everything. Watch your reactions to it. If you feel like a voice that is not your own start whispering that you should take more, pause and stop!
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I've never withdrawn from true opiates (heroin, oxy, hydrocodone, etc.), though I've taken many. I have, however, withdrawn from Kratom. When I was on probation a few years back, they drug tested me for various things, but I knew kratom could fly under the radar.

I ended up taking it about twice a day, every day, for about a month. Then one of my shipments got delayed, and I was forced into withdrawals. Just my experience, but the emotional aspect of it wasn't that bad. I didn't feel too much more depressed than usual.

The physical aspect, however, was pretty bad. I had pretty bad muscle pain and restless legs (even worse than I usually do sans withdrawals). I found one of those Electric massage instruments helped with my back pain.

Anyway, the obvious answer is to try to taper down. I'd say keep some in stock, and don't use it unless your withdrawals are horrible. I know i personally wouldn't go into withdrawals from using three days in a row. It'd take probably about a week for me.

One needs to keep in mind kratom contains dozens of alkaloids that contribute to its psychoactive effects. The chemical structure of 7-hydroxymitryagine (main contributor) is totally different than the classic opiates; it's withdrawal symptoms/intensities could be different too. Even though I've never been addicted to heroin, I would say don't let your bad memories of detoxing from heroin intimidate you into not trying to quit.

Good luck, friend.
 
Soulspark, you should be grateful you've never kicked real opiates. I'm not going to lie and say Kratom withdrawals are a walk in the park, they most certainly are not. However, the physical symptoms are far easier to deal with than real opioid withdrawal, although the depression coming from a Kratom withdrawal can be crushing sometimes, since you are dealing with withdrawing from the happiness inducing stimulant alkaloids in it as well.

But, the physical withdrawals from Kratom only last 3-4 days, as opposed to 5-7 days from poppy-based opiates. And, something about Kratom's opioid alkaloids do not induce too much craving and next day depression as regular opiates do, maybe due to their indole alkaloid structure working a bit differently somehow.

Also, the fact that Kratom leaves come in a powder form makes it so easy to taper as slow as you would like. And, you don't have to worry about running out since you can't afford it, or failing a drug test, or having your dealer go dry on you. It's always there for a minimal cost, just be sure to order some before you completely run out, to give some padding time just in case.

Best of luck, j-in-J, we're here if you need us :)
 
how are the withdrawals compared to heroin?

I dont think they even can be remotely compared. I'm in a Kratom-withdrawal now after years of daily use. It's no biggie.
Some restless legs and the feeling of something missing but Rhodelia, 5-HTP and coffee helps.
 
Man i was googling about kratom and this thread i made a few months ago popped up.. it seems like it was so recent i wish i would of just stayed where i was and not shot heroin agaim =\

But now im on 26 hours without heroin and just took 3 tsp of kratom and am gonna try to use that amd not even fuck with suboxone... besides suboxone never worked for me in getting clean.
 
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