Opioids Kratom withdrawal and hypertension , dizzy spells, pressure in head

[al-laddin]

So I ran out of kratom for the first time in probably a year and Im experiencing some withdrawal symptoms. Im having some pressure/pain in my left temple when I lean my head in that direction...feel similar to sinus pressure and dizziness upon standing or doing anything remotely physical. I have read about this orthostatic hypotension but is it possible for it to be coupled with HYPERtension as well? Because this feels distinctly like high BP. I don't have a cuff near so I cant measure it but doesn't kratom produce rebound hypertension? This WD isn't bad AT ALL, slightly annoying but I am worried about my BP.

Anyway what I did for it is took CALM brand magnesium citrate and about 400 ml of fresh juiced beet. Beets acts as a potent calcium channel blocker in proper doses. BP can drop about 10 points for 24 hours . Any withing 10 minutes Im feeling a TON better and I go for a thirty minute walk. ALl of this helped tremendously. Im still a bit concerned about the hypertension and if anyones experienced this in rebound after stopping kratom? How long does this effect last? WHat did you do to lower your BP? I have access to etizolam and klonipin so I may take that as further precaution. But that's why Im here bluelight, some answers would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 

[《Plasticity》]

Hey Al-laddin, I wouldn't worry too much about it, sounds like your just going through typical withdrawal. With the exception of the pressure in your temple (which is probably from the high BP itself, or the tension caused by kratom withdrawal), the hypertension and dizzy spells that tie in with the fatigue are common symptoms of kratom withdrawal, for me at least. AFAIK withdrawal from any mu agonist would cause a spike in BP. You can use a combination of breathing techniques, the clonaz/etiz, and maybe even some loperamide to get you out of withdrawal a bit along with whatever other techniques are working for you. Don't use the benzos everyday, obviously, and use low doses as benzos themselves cause rebound BP when used for days in a row IME... especially etiz for some reason.

Also, avoid any straining excercise and take your time when you get up from a resting position. If you ride your withdrawals out your BP should begin stabilizing around the 3rd or 4th day IME. I'm used to the rise in BP by now as I've withdrawn from kratom too many times to count, never did I feel like I was in any danger however I am a pretty fit, small male... don't know how healthy an individual you are.

Ps. If your a cannabis user I would avoid as this almost always skyrockets my BP and tendency to get lightheaded upon standing in withdrawal.

 

[al-laddin]

Thanks captain! Benzos are ONLY a tool for me as they seem to have no recreational value. But yes I did use etiz once for three days quiting alcohol and I got the same "general feeling" about my BP...total rebound effect...and I thought that shit was SOOOO benign.....with the BP ..I can just feel it pounding ya know? But Beet juice works like a fucking CHARM. It really brings it down and theres science to back it. It has to do with beets being extrememly rich in nitrates. Within a half hour it brings it down ....I cant stress it enough for anyone in an emergency. (besides ofcourse 911)

Hey captain could you point me to a good tapering method to avoid this BP spike? This is the only symptom that concerns me. Im fairly fit but I havnt been very active lately. That needs to change. Thanks for your help. Are there any symptoms to look out for in case of hypertensive crisis from rebound withdrawal. I mean everyones chemistry is different, kratom is very understudied and I just went through a bag of plain leaf which had me feeling full effects plus euphoria at 2 grams !!!! (on average it takes 5-6 bali) I literally watched someone kratom/opiate naïve drop face first and black out within 10 mins from a smaller dose than I normally take of this stuff... so it was POTENT....in my few years of kratom use and research I have never once come across such an alkaloid rich leaf.

Point being kratom strains vary so much that withdrawal can to so Im just trying to err on the side of caution here.

 

[al-laddin]

Also Captain , I would like to know if you ever did confirm High BP when in withdrawal with a cuff, and if so what were your readings compared to your normal readings

 

[《Plasticity》]

Well, being that the hypertension is just "another symptom" of the minor shittyness of kratom withdrawal for me I never put too much attention to working out a taper plan to avoid the symptom so I can't really help you out with a taper plan but generally the slower you taper yourself off the kratom the less severe the side-effects will be, as with any other drug. Also, you say you ran out of kratom so if you have none around the suggestion I would give, which would be to ride it out until you feel your BP climbing to an uncomfortable limit....then take a small 1g dose to get some relief for a little while all the way until your withdrawals are over, is not really an option.

Anyways my mother gave me a BP cuff a little while ago but It doesn't work right (inflates but never gives me the results 8)) so I've never been able to get a solid reading, however there's no doubt my BP spikes pretty high during withdrawal...especially if I'm anxious which is common for me in withdrawal. I highly doubt you will get near hypertensive crisis readings during withdrawal but I can't confirm this for myself, and certainly not someone over the internet. I don't know what country your from but here in the states, some drug stores have BP cuffs near the pharmacy area but even here there are less and less places that offer have these little booths so this may not be an option.

Keep in mind the more you worry about your HR and pay attention the worse It'll get.... just try and relax and do something distracting like playing a video game or something. If you go to the hospital your likely just gonna be treated with a benzo and released with a huge bill and a possible "red flag" for coming in with withdrawal issues... to top it off nobody is gonna know what the hell kratom is so while it's not good HR, I personally wouldn't even bother. If you feel like your BP is spiking pretty high just sublingual a small .25-.5 dose of either the clonaz or etiz.... I would go with the clonazepam due to it's longer half-life.

There's obviously a variance in alkaloid content strain to strain but I've never noticed such a difference as what you describe, that 2g stuff must be some good shit lol. First time I've heard of anyone blacking out on kratom as well, ever so that sounds a bit sketchy but I highly doubt you bought any adulterated kratom unless it was something like UEI or another potent extract. I'm assuming you purchase your kratom from a reputable vendor correct?

 

[al-laddin]

Ya I freaked the fuck out...I tell you ten mins later hes asking me, pale green faced... "where am I" ended up babysitting him for the rest of the night...bringing him buckets to puke in....all from a half a teaspoon...if that.

Yes they are reputable and have consistently amazed me.

No extract, my vendor has it in now....PM me if you want info. No joke..1.5 -2.0 will do you good. Its cheap as hell too. Im not too far from where you are to answer your question.....Ive had enhanced leaf before....this is no enhanced leaf....Ill tell you though this stuff was sooooo strong that when I first got the bag I burned my regular amount and ended up having a mild panic attack....and had to lay down...it has some unusual alkaloid content that's for sure....it made colors very saturated too....Ive heard rumors of kratom being mildly "psychedelic" but this is the first time Ive experienced visual enhancement from kratom alone. Anyway I got uused to it and enjoyed it thoroughly.....it seemed to have the opposite effect ....it became stimulating (mildly psychedelic??) at high doses and very narcotic at lower doses.......strange creature this strain is....It felt like NO OTHER kratom Ive had...Ive tried dozens of vendors/strains...this was unusual to say the least.

 

[al-laddin]

Oh I also gave a bit to a buddy of mine who is a fairly regular user....said its the strongest hes ever had...he said he couldn't drive within an hour after taking a teaspoon. I don't think its my chemistry...

 

[tunesey]

I have used Kratom a few times now and I like it I was a bit naive at the start and the captain knows his stuff so his advice is spot on. I read through the whole kratom mega thread before using and make tea with it it tastes like shit and the red veins I find the best. the K-pins should sort tour BP out and level you out IMHO.

 

[tunesey]

Ya I freaked the fuck out...I tell you ten mins later hes asking me, pale green faced... "where am I" ended up babysitting him for the rest of the night...bringing him buckets to puke in....all from a half a teaspoon...if that.

Yes they are reputable and have consistently amazed me.

No extract, my vendor has it in now....PM me if you want info. No joke..1.5 -2.0 will do you good. Its cheap as hell too. Im not too far from where you are to answer your question.....Ive had enhanced leaf before....this is no enhanced leaf....Ill tell you though this stuff was sooooo strong that when I first got the bag I burned my regular amount and ended up having a mild panic attack....and had to lay down...it has some unusual alkaloid content that's for sure....it made colors very saturated too....Ive heard rumors of kratom being mildly "psychedelic" but this is the first time Ive experienced visual enhancement from kratom alone. Anyway I got uused to it and enjoyed it thoroughly.....it seemed to have the opposite effect ....it became stimulating (mildly psychedelic??) at high doses and very narcotic at lower doses.......strange creature this strain is....It felt like NO OTHER kratom Ive had...Ive tried dozens of vendors/strains...this was unusual to say the least.

What was the strain I am interested to know if I can get my hands on some thanks in advance