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Opioids Kratom use and problems

Natinka

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I have been having some very hard times with kratom ad need advise. I want to know if anyone has had these experiences too.

Let me start by saying I started taking kratom about a year ago when I got off a oxy addiction. I have had medical problems and it led to it. Kratom was great to get me off oxy but then i started taking that regular like coffee.. I love coffee. But kratom motivates me ad wakes me up even better than coffee! Ok so ive been taking it for a year now daily 3 times or even more. I just started having problems. My bladder doesn't seem o work right. Im a female. My bladder spasms. I feel like I have to pee but then I dont. It also hurts. I am also peeing water like crazy. This has become very panfull when I have to pee and when I do it. Ive looked everywhere online and find that no one else has had this problem. Ive also had another problem... sex. When My husband is in me I dont feel it. In fact I feel pressure like I have to pee... ad I feel numb. This is horrible. What could it be... I want to get off this I just dont know how. Gosh I also have three kids ad have no energy if im not taing this 3x a day.... any thoughts would be awesome! Thanks a ton for reading.
 
Ive ever felt this before until recently. I stopped taking kratom a few weeks ago and instead took vicodin for pain. I had a work accident recently. So anyhow during this time of takng vics I was fine had n problem. Te moment i went back to kratom it started again. Am I the only one whose going through this? Im wondering if long term use has caused kidney or bladder problems. So far have heard nothing from anyone else about this though
 
Taken from your other post in PD and slightly altered:

Hey Natinka, welcome to bluelight :). Okay, I've been a user for a few years and I can sorta relate but I have never had any pain with urination. I do notice that I pee alot more than I used to and my bladder does in fact fill up faster than I remember it but like I said I've never had any pain. I assume the reason I pee alot more is because kratom is a diuretic (or at least one of the alkaloids is). A diuretic is something that increases the frequency at which you urinate. Like you though I don't hear anybody complaining about this so this may just affect a select few.

About 4 or 5 months back I went to the ER because I was having abdominal pain and though the kratom was the culprit (It was actually 2 duodenal ulcers ) and they did a full work up on me....CT scan, urinalysis, blood workup, the whole nine yards and everything came back as normal so I don't think this symptom is anything to worry about but since you say you have pain I would definately get a check-up as you may be having some other kidney or bladder issues but I'm not a dr and neither is the great majority of users so any advice given here should be considered but not taken as a diagnosis or anything.

I'm a male an my sex drive and amount of pleasure I have during sex has gone down but this is a side-effect seen in any opiates or opioids (drugs like hydrocodone, oxyconton, morphine etc...) so it doesn't surprise me that your having a real lack of sensitivity down stairs, unfortunately the only thing you can do is stop taking kratom and your sex drive will come back full force, well at least it does for males. If you haven't already I would stop taking kratom or at least start tapering down and go see a doctor. Like I said, nobody on here can give you a diagnosis over the internet. Your likely gonna want to get a blood and urine work-up as well as either a CT scan or sonogram. Don't ignore your symptoms, this can be something un-related to kratom that could get worst. For the mean time I would stop taking kratom, the fact that your side-effects went away when off kratom gives me hope that this is just a side effect for you and not permanent but IDK really.
 
OP's post from other thread In PD:

Thanks so much for your thoughts! I do want to stop taking it. Do you have thoughts on tapering down? Ive tried and not being very successful...

I will have to see a doctor. I might have an underlining problems.. but its good to know that other people dont have this issue and its just me.

Yes you will definately need medical attention and while we do have similar side-effects your just about the only other person I've heard have this side-effect (the bladder one). As for quitting I'm no addiction specialist or anything but the most logical way to do it is to lower your dose gradually by maybe half a gram to a gram a day. Another option that I would choose is to get rid of all kratom except a small-ish amount to taper and go as long as I can until withdrawal starts getting bad then take a small 2 gram dose for that hour or two of relief and complete the process. This method is rather aggressive and will hurt the most but you'll be through the worst in a week or two where as a slow taper can take a while and that means the urge to just take a full dose will also increase.

The last option if you honestly can't do it anymore is go to a suboxone doctor and get on buprenorphine. If you choose this route your gonna want to taper with it fast and avoid getting addicted to suboxone as this drug carries way harsher withdrawals than kratom and the withdrawal last months and months, this should be a last resort. If you want more advice on how to quit check out "the dark side" and "recovery support" as these subforums are dedicated to that kind of thing. "Mental health" may also be a good forum to checkout if your having any emotional problems caused by either the kratom or the withdrawal. Whatever you do though I wouldn't switch to the vicoden, anyways good luck <3
 
Thank you for the advise! So idk the amount of kratomm in grams but I take 1 tesp as my dose 3 times a day. For a year every day... is this considered a heavy use or what?
 
The only related thing to this would be constipation that Kratom and opiates can cause. Ive only had that when actually eating the raw materials themselves.

/rant: How the fuck did big phara get away with creating opioid treatment drugs that causes withdrawals for months and months conveniently trapping non revenue generating opiate users into revenue generating "treatment" drug users that are even harder to quit? God I hate them and the public for accepting it, but as a marketing guy respect to the evil genius idea man behind it all, almost as dastardly genius as the cigarette guy.
 
the only related thing to this would be constipation that kratom and opiates can cause. Ive only had that when actually eating the raw materials themselves.

/rant: How the fuck did big phara get away with creating opioid treatment drugs that causes withdrawals for months and months conveniently trapping non revenue generating opiate users into revenue generating "treatment" drug users that are even harder to quit? God i hate them and the public for accepting it, but as a marketing guy respect to the evil genius idea man behind it all, almost as dastardly genius as the cigarette guy.

qft!
 
The only related thing to this would be constipation that Kratom and opiates can cause. Ive only had that when actually eating the raw materials themselves.

/rant: How the fuck did big phara get away with creating opioid treatment drugs that causes withdrawals for months and months conveniently trapping non revenue generating opiate users into revenue generating "treatment" drug users that are even harder to quit? God I hate them and the public for accepting it, but as a marketing guy respect to the evil genius idea man behind it all, almost as dastardly genius as the cigarette guy.

They get away with it because us addicts say please and thank you when offered.
 
Ive heard Kratom can affect the livers of some people, and when your liver isnt functioning right you can get the urge to pee and barely anything comes out. Youre like WTF I thought I was about to piss a gallon! I bet if you abstained or tapered from the Kratom youll get youR urine schedule back.
 
Thank you for the advise! So idk the amount of kratomm in grams but I take 1 tesp as my dose 3 times a day. For a year every day... is this considered a heavy use or what?
Your gonna want to order a scale as a tsp contain 1 gram or it could contain 3 grams. Also, each strain of kratom has it's own weight which is something many don't consider. You should be able to get a gram scale for 10$ (or whatever equivalent amount depending on your country) from amazon.com. For now you could try getting by on 2 tsp a day instead of three and hold off for a while and slowly work your way down.

For anyone thinking the frequent urination issue is liver or kidney related, you may be correct and this person does need a diagnosis but I also get this issue (minus the pain) and have had an extensive check-up and all my organs are fine. Again, kratom does in fact contain a diuretic so some may just be sensitive to this alkaloid. The fact that her symptoms dissapate when she stops taking kratom makes me think this is just a side-effect experienced by a select few like me.

Mitraphylline: Oxindole alkaloid. Vasodilator, antihypertensive, muscle relaxer, diuretic, antiamnesic, anti-leukemic, possible immunostimulant. <1% of total alkaloid contents in Kratom leaf.

Source:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=488576
 
I urinate a lot more on Kratom too (again though, without the pain) but I intentionally drink a LOT more water while on Kratom because I would assume asking your body to process raw plant matter that has diuretic properties is dehydrating in and of itself.

Like Capt. Kratom mentioned - if symptoms clear up after Kratom cessation you're more than likely experiencing a reversible side effect. If you absolutely cannot cease intake consider finding another vendor to rule out any sort of purity issues. As always, when in doubt see a real life doctor.
 
Thanks guys for the thoughts... Today I could one dose this morning and thats it. Ive been suffering all day with headaches and extreme tiredness nasua inability to think clear. Its been horrible. In fact im going to bed early just to get past this. I had considered a clinic to help me get off it. Well see how tomorrow goes.

All that being sad since I only took one dose today I havnt had to much pain with bladder or the spams. It seems to happen when I take it several times a day. Also Ive bought it from several differ vendors online. I think they are reputable but I never know since people dont tell lol. I have a rod in my leg from 15 years ago. It causes me a lot of pain and this stuff really helps me stay off vic or oxy and keep pain at a min. But after going through these other problems I will just have to deal with my leg pain.
 
Your gonna want to order a scale as a tsp contain 1 gram or it could contain 3 grams. Also, each strain of kratom has it's own weight which is something many don't consider. You should be able to get a gram scale for 10$ (or whatever equivalent amount depending on your country) from amazon.com. For now you could try getting by on 2 tsp a day instead of three and hold off for a while and slowly work your way down.

For anyone thinking the frequent urination issue is liver or kidney related, you may be correct and this person does need a diagnosis but I also get this issue (minus the pain) and have had an extensive check-up and all my organs are fine. Again, kratom does in fact contain a diuretic so some may just be sensitive to this alkaloid. The fact that her symptoms dissapate when she stops taking kratom makes me think this is just a side-effect experienced by a select few like me.



Source:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=488576

While I certainly agree getting a scale is important especially if you are tapering however from my recent experience of finally weighing my kratom I don't really agree with kratom "strains" having a large weight difference like I've read on other forums unless you are packing it down. I weighed 4 strains (1 extract) from two different vendors and they were all within .1 of each other. I have noticed different measuring spoons having different weights though. I was expecting the weights to vary a lot more like you said.
 
My comment was from personal experience and not forum posts, different strains do in fact have different weights for me... couple that with the variability with what a tsp can be heaped vs level is way to much variability between doses. If others have come to the conclusion then I can't see why anyone would make something like that up, especially when I can prove the difference in weight at any given point and see that the volume of powder is different. Maybe the strains you currently have just weigh near the same? I noticed my RVB to be way denser than the white vein maeng da I have but RVB is near the same weight as the bali that I got. I know this as I use a medical cannabis canister (looks like a pill bottle but wider) that I tare on my scale and can see which one fills the container more.
 
I wasn't calling you out or saying that they made it up but your post just lit a light bulb and since it was fairly recent since I weighed mine. I almost always level mine which is what I did when I weighed it. I scoop and level and with the teaspoon that I mainly use were all weighing 2.5-2.6 grams. The posts and pictures that I saw that were showing pretty significant weight differences looked packed down to me because none of the kratom that I've used ever clumped together like the ones that they showed. If I'm wrong then so be it but kratom that I weighed multiple times all weighed pretty much the same.
 
Don't worry, I never took it like that. I should mention that when I refer to a "tsp" I'm reffering to a household tsp as that's what most people really refer to when they say tsp and let's face it, that's basically a wild guess. I took a look at those photos and your right, that's in no way a very fair comparison as extracts are definately more extreme in their weight difference, plain leaf doesn't vary anywhere near that much. Also, I'm assuming your kratom isn't micronized? If it's micro grinded it should clump together like the photos, maybe it has to do with the grinding process. All my kratom except for one strain is micronized. In the end though a scale is best, plus you'll have a scale for weed or mushrooms or whatever lol.
 
All of my kratom is micronized but it doesn't clump unless I pack it, still gets the job done though :). But yeah definitely get a scale it will be the best way for her to accurately taper down. Sorry OP for going off topic I wish you the best of luck in reducing your kratom use, hopefully it will clear up your health issues.
 
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