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kratom. tread lightly...

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mrtlo91

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Hello bluelight. This is my first post here. I am a former opiate addict. I have had withdrawals off of opiates before and the physical part of opiates are worse but i find the mental aspect of kratom to be far superior with the physical symptoms being far less

I recently found out about kratom through a local dealer and began using very heavily right off the bat. 2ozs a day for a few months. am now paying the piper.... I am dead broke bc of kratom and am currently on day 2 without using it. The anxiety is throught the roof along with the depression it causes. Any tips on how to get off this stuff for good? Any tips on how to go through the mental aspect of not having kratom? Thanks have a great day !
 
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Unfortunately you are prolonging the inevitable. you could probably create a tapering program with vicodin to make withdrawal more comfortable, but that's about it. You are just substituting one drug for another to avoid the god awful withdrawal symptoms. I have never used Kratom but I have heard the withdrawal are similar to that of methadone because of the drugs half life. There are many other otc products to help you feel comfortable.there are lots off threads on the site that can help with information regarding tapering and what not. Best of luck to ya aahs start strong.
 
Well, since you seem so knowledgeable on opiates... you should know that it's never a good idea to substitute 1 drug for the other as a means to get off the initial drug.
Smh.. you've done opiates before.. you know how to get off them. Do the same thing you did before, except this time - It's kratom.
 
Junkiedays he clearly stated that Kratom feels different than other opiates and he's clearly having a hard time.and no its never a good idea to switch from one drug to the other but if he can get on something with a shorter half life it will be easier to get off the vicodin.it will draw out the process and make it longer but he wants to minimize the withdrawal clearly. Try switching to a low dose of vicodin and taper off that. Don't over do it though and good luck
 
I took Kratom in high dose, 7 to 18 grams a day for over a years. I went cold turkey off Kratom for some reason and the withdrawal was pretty mild. Mainly insomnia, anxiety and a little bit of aggitation but its nothing like Opiate withdrawal, the physical effect are almost inexistant and the psychological effect are very mild.

I dont know what to say from my experience I find Kratom extremely easy to withdraw from compare to any other pure opioids.

Meaby you should just taper a little and you would barely feel the withdrawal. Vicodin will likely produce stronger effect then Kratom it self and produce a stronger withdrawal. If the only thing to deal with is anxiety, meaby take Benzodiazepine if you can get hands on them or simply alcohol.
 
Thanks for the responses. I will be on dau four tomorrow and i am feeling slightly better. The leg cramps from the wd are worse than i have had with other opiates and i recently got some valerian root and i am trippling the dose and to my surprise my anxiety is non existent. Work is very tough considering i have to be on my feet all day and those leg cramps and aches are no joke but nothing an nsaid wont cure temporarily. I guess i overexagerrated a bit about the severness of wd from kratom. The first two days were really bad... but after that its like my energy is back and all i have is this anxiety issue. Im basically looking for support on here. I cant go to my family or my gf because they wouldnt be too fond of me being hooked on yet another substance legal or not. But this valerian root it working wonders... i was sceptical about it working but i take about 1200 mg and no anxiety. Hopefully i can get some sleep tonight as the past two night i have gotten little to none. If it werent for the insomnia for me wd from anything would be a lot easier.

Thanks for the support... i will post updates frequently and i am getting off this for good as i am spending way too much money on this product just to feel normal. At first it provides an exceptional high that is cleaner than vicodin imo but after a month of use tolerance skyrockets and you achieve little to no effects. Btw i was using an oz of bali or maeng da a day. Sometimes more. My dealer told me no wds but boy he was wrong. Anyways i hope i get more responses here. Thanks again
 
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Junkiedays he clearly stated that Kratom feels different than other opiates and he's clearly having a hard time.and no its never a good idea to switch from one drug to the other but if he can get on something with a shorter half life it will be easier to get off the vicodin.it will draw out the process and make it longer but he wants to minimize the withdrawal clearly. Try switching to a low dose of vicodin and taper off that. Don't over do it though and good luck
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Im actually gonna just go cold turkey, man the eff up and get this over with asap. No chemicals or anything like that. I just want to be normal again with zero substances in my body
 
Also the depression is almost gone . It was there and then just out of nowhere it just disapeared. Im hoping tomorrow im feeling almost back to normal.
 
Glad to hear it!. Hope everything works out. I've went through my fair share of withdrawal do I feel for you as well as many other blue/green lighters. Cheers xxx
 
Im sorry for your legs cramp problem, I feel you, when I withdrawn fro high dose of AH-7921 and I had to work 10h days in static standing position and at the end of the day I could barely stand... I was doing pause in the bathroom just to get a short relieve. Even If from my experiece Kratom withdrawal is very mild I know everybody react differently. Anyway stay strong this is almost over. Taking any other opioids will only push the withdrawal to another day.
 
Look, your not going through kratom withdrawal... your withdrawling from all your previous addictions along with the kratom. Time and time.again people switch from heroin or oxy to kratom and when they try to quit they wonder why they're stuggling. YOU NEVER LET YOUR RECEPTORS HEAL! I'm not saying that kratom WD's don't suck cuz trust me they do, I would know as I've been addicted for 2 1/2 years but if you have no previous opiate addictions, they are not comparable. Kratom withdrawals have NO GI issues whatsoever which means your not shitting and puking all day which in itself is a relief. @ms dee As for the comparison to methadone? HAH! you have absolutely NO idea what your talking about. Methadone withdrawals last months to years to fully recover from while kratom withdrawals are gone in 2 weeks max. Also kratom has an extremely short half life, in fact it's so short that I'm in mild withdrawal every 5-6 hours and it's also why withdrawals are gone so fast

As for actual advice on quitting, theres three options. 1. Go cold turkey 2. Taper 3. Use other drugs to ease the pain. If you plan on choosing option 3 be sure you have the willpower to not switch one addiction for another. I use a combination of 2 and 3 when I quit. What I do is take as little tramadol as I can to hold me until bedtime then I dose 3 grams throughout the night so I maintain my sleep as that's the worst symptom for me, I can't stand tossing and turning all night. Then day by day you are gonna keep lowering your tramadol dose until you are able to hold your own on zero tramadol and only your nightly dose. Then taper your nightly dose until at zero. To speed things up and taper faster and less painfull you can use benzo's(or etizolam if you can't get real benzos). With that said your almost through it so keep going and avoid any mu agonists, use some etizolam to get you to sleep but once again, DON'T TRADE ADDICTIONS! I wish you luck on your journey to sobriety :)
 
Thanks captain kratom but, i was clean off of opiates for almost six months before diving into kratom. I was told by a vendor that it had no physical wd symptoms... no more than coffee wd is what he said. So i figured that was cool and dove head first straight in. I ended up buying some mj to help me sleep and although i wanted to ct i had to have some relief but that was a bad idea. I believe the pot made me more depressed and made my legs more achy and heavier than they actually felt prior to getting high. So two days stoned resulted in some awesome sleep but really bad depression. Tomorrow i will not be blazing and i will post how i feel. I also turned to a loved one for support and that turned out to be the best decision throughout all of this... also thanks for all the support guys. Im not going back to any substances except for maybe some occasional mj and some occasional alcohal. At the end of the day i guess it just comes down to taking it day by day... time is on my side here
 
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Even though you quit opiates and had no current addiction during your kratom escapades the fact that you had already been through previous addictions makes you more susceptable to harsher withdrawals. Like they say, the more times you go through withdrawals the harsher they get. You may never be able to chip on opiates again, not that I'm saying you plan on doing that, just trying to explain opiate addiction. Even after months and months of abstinance a mere 1 week binge can produce withdrawals stronger than those you went through previously, even if your previous addiction was years long. That's what sucks about opiate addiction. The more times you've been addicted, the harder it becomes to try and become the occasional user as that window of time that you are able to use without finder yourself back in withdrawal becomes smaller and smaller to the point where even two uses brings minor withdrawals and to escape the withdrawals you continue to use and when your time comes your receptors are extremely depleted and unleash their wrath to the fullest extent. The point.I'm tryimg to make is that everytime you pick up another habit after abstinance your kinda just picking up where you left off.

I also find weed to make the anxiety, rls, and restlessness worst but also helps keep your mind off of it to an extent so its kind of a trade off, I myself would go without. hope you continue to pay the piper for the last time and find joy in sober life, I know my time is approaching as well as i'm not finding the results I once had. Another thing that helps is finding a hobby to keep your mind off the depression and help pass time quicker. For me it was BMX, helps me get back in shape and get those natural endorphins goin. Another thing you might notice after quitting is your emotions coming back, IMO this makes music fantastically soothing. I get extreme music appreciation and empathy to music while withdrawaling. Music and excercise were the best medicine when quitting besides the actual medications.
 
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I am a former iv heroin user who's use was of an equivalent calibur to yours. I switched to kratom to get off the stuff, however (not bragging here, I totally understand how one could get hooked on a legal material containing opiate alkaloids) I was able to taper off the newton and it was the easiest taper I've done. NOT easy, just less difficult then heroin or subs

Great job with the cold turkey! As captainkratom said, a hobby (especially excercise of some kind, personally I started doing kung fu again) will help with sleep and restlessness. In my last stint through rehab I was informed that green tea will help you detox quicker, applying to acute withdrawal AND PAWS.

The best cures for depression are volunteering somewhere (soup kitchen, Goodwill, or anything where you're helping people), going to NA meetings (Idisagree with some of their doctrine but I can't deny the boost in desire to stay sober it gives me), and 1 on 1 counseling (if you can afford it)
Best of luck!
 
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