Opioids Kratom to stop sub bupe, will i be fine when i’ll stop the kratom ?

[Mista444]

Hey there, it’s been a long process this summer for me, since 2 days i’ve taken my last 0,2mg of sub. I replaced it with kratom and it’s really taking away the WD.
But the question is will i not be at the same point when i’ll stop kratom ?
Isn’t it just like replacing sub by heroin or methadon ?
I’m thinking taking kratom for 3weeks and stop it.

 

[negrogesic]

With opioid withdrawal you always have to pay the price to some degree.

Switching from serioues opioids like heroin/oxycodone/fentanyl (etc) to things like bupe or kratom is sort of debt consolidation. You negotiate your debt for a lower interest rate, but still have to pay back the interest on that loan (albiet at a lower interest rate).

Going from say fentanyl --> bupe --> kratom is usually a good debt consolidation plan, but I think 3 weeks on kratom might be too long. The interest rate might start to increase as you'll be more firmly hooked on kratom at that point.

I'd say 7-10 days on kratom, max with decreasing doses.

 

[Mista444]

Perfect, thanks for your warning... ^^
Do you think tramadol at low doses would be fine to stop kratom, if i take 100mg/day for a week or 2 ?
Thx god there is no fentanyl in france. Only patches and they are very prudent with that, it’s heavy controled.

 

[negrogesic]

I would go bupe -> kratom -> nothing. Going bupe -> kratom -> tramadol takes you in the wrong direction.

Whatever you take after you stop the bupe, don't take it for much over a week.

.2mg of buprenorphine is a very low dose, you are almost free, don't take anything for 2-3 weeks after.

One option is after bupe -> kratom 7 days -> loperamide for 7 days (they are 2mg pills, so 16mg, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, 2, 0 mg). Then nothing.

With opioid withdrawal nothing helps more than physical exercise. Exercise got me off of methadone.

 

[Halif2]

since 2 days i’ve taken my last 0,2mg of sub.

Just to confirm: You are taking 200 micrograms (0.2mg), right? Not 2mg? If it really is 0.2mg, that is about as low a dose as I've ever heard of. Definitely just do the kratom for as short a time as possible and then stop taking anything. You're so close to being free of it but you may need to just accept there will be some amount of discomfort in the last stage. Drawing the process out with kratom, tramadol, benzos, or anything else will just put you in danger of picking up a new addiction.

With opioid withdrawal nothing helps more than physical exercise.

I agree with this. 100%.

It can be so, so difficult to get moving after a long and painful withdrawal. I remember the first week or two of going back to the gym was like pushing a big steel ball up a hill. But physical exercise just speeds the whole detox process up and reduces the severity and length of PAWS, too.

 

[Mista444]

Just to confirm: You are taking 200 micrograms (0.2mg), right? Not 2mg? If it really is 0.2mg, that is about as low a dose as I've ever heard of. Definitely just do the kratom for as short a time as possible and then stop taking anything. You're so close to being free of it but you may need to just accept there will be some amount of discomfort in the last stage. Drawing the process out with kratom, tramadol, benzos, or anything else will just put you in danger of picking up a new addiction.



I agree with this. 100%.

It can be so, so difficult to get moving after a long and painful withdrawal. I remember the first week or two of going back to the gym was like pushing a big steel ball up a hill. But physical exercise just speeds the whole detox process up and reduces the severity and length of PAWS, too.

Yes in France we have "temgesic" they are 0,2 mg it’s lowest dose you can get but I super sensitive of wd and bit depressed and anxious kind of person, i was taking 0,1mg morning and 0,1 evening,in july i was 2,4mg subutex, and took me 3 months to get down to 0,2 but still i had wd (hard sometime but supportable) the thing is i get very sensitive of everything like someone can piss me of very quick haha idk if you understand waht i’m talking about. Just its been 5or 6 years i go to bed with opiod and wake up with opiod this is the main problem.

I really dont want to get paws we are going in 2 months for travel with my gf and it’s à challenge for me be normal again i’m looking to manythings like natural (ashwagandha, rodhiola, kava, melatonine, 5http...) so i can get rid of any medication.

And yeah totally agree with both of you sport really change everything i’m trying to go 2 time a week and I feel the difference.
But my sleep is pretty bad this 4last days so it’s hard to go. The thing with kratom i find it sedative at the first 2hours but then it’s opposite it’s make me feel like i wanna do thing and my thought dont want to calm down. Yet valium mixed with kratom haven’t helped much for sleep just helped me not feeling like shit the next day even if i couldnt sleep.

I also have tercian, have taken it twice but relly feel bad in the morning..

I’ll try just taking big dose of kratom tonight without valium maybe they are not very good together idk...