Kratom: sick of feeling shitty, really need help

[RodJonse]

So because of financial issues, I've had to look for Kratom being sold in a strictly "wholesale" fashion. I've taken it on a daily basis for a little over a year now and maintained the same dosage/tolerance for a while until it went up a bit - not a huge problem.

So, I've tried many sites. The first wholesale site I used was [...] seemed sketchy and only accepted Dwolla. Stopped using it when it came to the point that instead of preventing pain so much, the kratom would kick in and peak at about 40 minutes, with the rest of its two and a half hour duration being uncomfortable often accompanied by additional headaches. This was all Maeng Da - that's all I buy.

Then I tried (and currently have) some from another site [...]. First bag seemed okay, but slowly it seemed like it wasn't doing anything. I had to take a higher dose physically (i.e. more capsules filled) from this site. Use up the first bag, receive the next one and it's just variable bullshit. Seems like it's working sometimes, though not properly, just gives me a headache sometimes, works properly but then goes away immediately - whatever, you get the picture.

Now, I need to note that all this "wholesale kratom" has been lower in price than most. The first site had kilo bags for [some price]. [...] has it for about the same price. Meanwhile, almost all the other vendors seem to gravitate towards [more] for a kilo.

I should now note that about a week after Dawn of the Planet of the Apes came out, I ran out of my first kratom and had some of the backup I got from the first site I ever used, just called [...], which sells capsules (that I took until they became too expensive) but also 1oz bottles of powder. I used that while waiting for another kilo to arrive:

I need to note that this site is one where a kilo would also cost me more [..].

Boom. Peaks at a little under two hours. Feeling great, no headache induced, comes down very smoothly with DURATION over about the next four hours - this is what I'd remembered Maeng Da to be when I first discovered it was like Hydros. I go out with the urge to do something. I feel tremendous. I have a glow the whole time it's wearing off and my neck and back (what I take it for) were pain-free for at least three hours, as opposed to 40 minutes + headache.

Then the bag from the other place got there and I started taking that again. Back to the shitty Kratom.

It's the same still from [...] except this second bag is like a joke. It is less consistent than the first by far.

So, I need to know: if I'm buying kilos of Maeng Da at that price, am I getting fucked by the vendor? It seems like this shit is cut with something, especially in contrast with the rest of the market. I've found yet another site [...] that offers wholesale for [some] if you order at least 3 kilos. Bought without the wholesale price, a kilo is [some more] (like everywhere else) but is on sale right now. I really need answers and I'm sick of Kratom that just doesn't fucking work. Thank you, anyone with experience, if you can help me out.

 

[sekio]

We don't allow prices or naming vendors.

 

[adrenalinerushes]

kratom quality usually always varies by vendor. i've tried about five different sources, all of which were pretty different. if you'd like to talk about vendors and price i believe you can via PM. maybe you need a different method of ingestion? or a couple days off?

 

[Seattle_Stranger]

It's a natural plant, so it's potency varies extremely. Also, kratom tolerance can mess with your perception of the effects, due to the variances in alkaloid makeup of different strains. You can be tolerant to certain alkaloids but not others which can result in confusing kratom effects. Just take a break, that's the general rule of thumb.

 

[adrenalinerushes]

also you said you only take maeng da, and i know people get a tolerance to using the same strain always. not too sure if that would help, to switch it up, but it's worth looking into. i honestly do hope you get to a good place and can enjoy kratom effects again.

 

[RodJonse]

We don't allow prices or naming vendors.

Well then that's really helpful. Thanks. Vendors I can understand, but price range for a legal substance? Forgive me for trying to see if anyone else has been through this experience and knows anything about it.

 

[Erikmen]

kratom quality usually always varies by vendor. i've tried about five different sources, all of which were pretty different. if you'd like to talk about vendors and price i believe you can via PM. maybe you need a different method of ingestion? or a couple days off?

I believe you are quite right. There are many types/brands and different ways of administering. I find it rather stronger if you take it in liquid.
Depending on the concentration you may have a quicker addiction and not feel to well. Of course the common sense now demands that you give it a break. See if that makes you feel better.
Good luck!

 

[RodJonse]

I believe you are quite right. There are many types/brands and different ways of administering. I find it rather stronger if you take it in liquid.
Depending on the concentration you may have a quicker addiction and not feel to well. Of course the common sense now demands that you give it a break. See if that makes you feel better.
Good luck!

Thanks. I'll try what I can and I've already cut down my daily intake with what I've been using (from less to just none) - some sketchy [less than the average market price] kilos from two vendors for a while. Half a kilo [from a more recommended vendor] is to arrive in the mail today. Hopefully it's what I've been looking for.

If I still have problems, I'll try liquid ingestion. I've always filled capsules.

 

[《Plasticity》]

What do you mean by taking it in "liquid" Erikmen? Tincture? Tea? I coulda swore you said you've never even taken kratom, as well as asking questions that support the fact that you haven't taken it before. You've also said that even 200mgs of oxymorphone is considered weak and that your on MMT so even if you have now taken it, how would you be able to tell which ROA is stronger with a tolerance like that? Lol not trying to be a dick, just curious how you came to that conclusion. If your reffering to Full Spectrum Tincture in particular, I very much agree. Though there's suspicions as to the contents of that extract.
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Ingesting tea, when properly made (you'd be surprised how many people can't even get tea to work due to poor prep), allows for a quicker onset with less side-effects at the cost of an extra gram or so, duration is also shortened by ~45mins ime. Altough I do enjoy a good tea a bit more than a straight TnW, don't expect it to make or break kratom for you unless GI discomfort is your main drawback, which it sounds like it's not. Tea isn't gonna give significantly more euphoria than TnW dose for dose, and it only makes sense that some product will be lost in the process. The fact that one batch gives you proper effects and the other not so much suggests either weak kratom or a strain with an alkaloid profile that isn't ideal.

If you haven't had good effects from several batches in quite a while, you may have just built a tolerance. Due to kratom's 3.5 hour half-life, even 3 days off will rip a huge chunk of tolerance ime. Since this thread is so dependent on vendor discussion there's not too much advice to give with the exception of telling you what you already kinda know, which is you got a weak batch of kratom... it happens sometimes, no biggy. Although the main reason I stopped buying bulk was due to my inability to stay on schedule with my doses, I also crave variety and there's no shittier feeling than receiving your kilo in the mail and finding out that it's well under par.

If your dealing with vendors who swap out the good strains for their mediocre product after sending out a sample, that's a vendor I would avoid in the future. It's very unlikely your kratom is being cut though, kratom goes weak over time and some batches are weak from birth. This is one of the main reasons packaged, commercial headshop kratom is weak, who knows how long that stuff has been sitting on the shelf.

Crushed leaf definitely has a greater shelf life over powdered leaf, so if these vendors are grinding up mass amounts at a time without selling it within a reasonable amount of time you can expect potency loss. For this reasons vendors typically purchase crushed leaf, freeze it, and grind it themselves on the spot should their customers opt for the powder (Hence the option to buy either crushed or powdered leaf of the same strain). Anyways I'm going off tangent, point is you can expect potency to vary batch for batch. When dealing with highly reputed vendors they test it themselves and should it be sub-par they either make it known, discount the strain, or flat out refuse it.