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Kratom People ?

nsauce

nsauce

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Preface : I checked posting guidelines again before posting this, and do not believe I am violating BL policy. If I am, mods, and I know you will, do your thing and let me know what I did wrong and it won't happen again .

I am off subutex since August 18th, after 18 months of 8mg a day . The first week off, and specifically days 4-6 were absolute fkn hell . Even this far away from my last dose, I seem to go through cycles of 3 to 4 days feeling almost human, and then 3 or 4 days of a feeling similar to mild hydrocodone withdrawals. This repeating cycle is really wearing me down. I even went as far to acquiring a handful of norcos a couple of weeks ago to try to break this cycle and it didn't work. Don't get me wrong, I felt great while I had the norcos, as my tolerance is pretty much nil again. This leads me to what I wish to get some input on, hoping this is the correct forum and also hoping I am not violating any policies. Yesterday, I felt what I recognize as day 1 of the "feeling like ass" cycle, and in anticipation of this, I have been researching what I can do about this that I haven't already tried .
Kratom . I got some, perfectly legal here . I took 6 capsules (I think they are '00' size) about 30-40 minutes ago, and I have to admit I feel pretty darn decent now. I don't feel like I chewed up 7 norcos, but I do feel a LOT like I have taken maybe 2 or 3 norcos swallowed, not chewed. Reading other forums, the wiki page, and other various online sources has turned up some information, but I haven't found anything recent (forum posts I could find were several years old at least) and some of what I found is questionable and not really what I'm looking for, so I wanted to ask BL users what their experiences might be with Kratom . My aches have gone away, I feel slightly euphoric (nothing major) my overall mood has improved 500% . I have more energy yet I also feel a bit of sedation as well, and suddenly I am freaking STARVING. (I should add that my appetite for food has been really low, I've lost at least 20 pounds and I'm already skinny !)
I understand that I should not take Kratom on consecutive days. At the moment, this stuff seems too good to be true. Again, I am not intoxicated to the point of dysfunction but i feel ALOT better .
Where's the downside with this stuff ? Is it rotting my already diseased liver ? Am I gonna be sorry for this tomorrow ? Please, anyone with Kratom experience is welcome to comment . This is my first time to ever take this stuff . There is no emergency, I'm just curious as to what anyone here as experienced .
Thanks ! :)
 
Kratom can be a great substitute for hydrocodone/norcos. Just be sure and not overdo it - don't take it more than 3-4 times a week. Take it easy and keep your tolerance low. Much of your experience depends on the strain. The extracts (UEI, Maeng da, SEM, etc) can be pretty potent, and feel like the equivalent to upwards of 50-80mg hydro. Take it easy with the extracts cuz they'll rocket your tolerance.

Bali Kratom tends to be a little more stimulating, whereas most of the other strains (Thai) tend to be sedating.

A lot of speculation has been thrown around about Kratom causing liver damage, but not a lot of those rumors have been substantiated. It remains mostly rumors.
 
^ I've never heard of kratom being linked to hepatotoxicity. Are you sure you aren't thinking of kava?
 
Hm. I have no clue as to what variety I have. The lady at the shop had a large expensive bulk bag (i think 30 capsules), and when I told her I didn't want to spend $xx on something I didn't even know was any good, she opened a large bulk bag and sold me a portion of it . Many of the forum threads I have seen were capsules vs. tea and such, not really getting into specific varieties that may be more effective than others. What I got was far from mind-blowing but was worth what I paid . If there are stronger varieties I would most def be up for that .

That link above is a perfect example of questionable/conflicting information . Anecdotal evidence of liver toxicity, somebody countering it with more anecdotal evidence . . . .
At least I'm no longer pounding my liver with acetaminophen everyday. I had bloodwork done last month and my liver function is completely normal, even though I have hep C .
At any rate, this stuff has made my day easily tolerable, so I'm trying to find out what I can .
 
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So today I took the last 10 capsules I had and I'm sitting here scratching my nose like a mofo .
 
I did my first dose two weeks ago and I'm very pleased. It's really mellow and combined with weed is great. TBH it really takes away the urge to use other opiates.

I really wish Id found kratom during the worse of my addiction when I needed it a lot more
 
Same with me. I just went through subutex w/d and would have killed for this on my worst days . I'm pleased with what I got from where I got it, while people online rating the same stuff were calling it "lousy" and "crap" . There must be some much stronger out there, I wish i knew how to identify it .
 
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