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Kratom Kratom Megathread V.2

Passable_rock said:
heyy I just got my kratom, I haven`t had it in almost a year, ideally I'd stay clear off it, but honestly right now I kinda see it as a form of harm reduction for me. I'm really trying to stop drinking, it just make me sick but I still can't stop :( I like ketamine alot but I already consumed too much of that in the recent times, so I bought kratom to help me stay clear off of the harder stuff. I've always liked red strains more? But I guess I'm not sure since it's mostly from reading online, and I don't really remember trying anything apart from red maeg da. I discovered kratom about 10 years ago when I wanted to some help quitting opioids, it worked well. I must have tried different strains but I don't really remember.

I've read that strains are mostly the same? and that some are "made up" or hyped-up a bit like the different cannabis strain are. I read that "real" strains are white, green and red and other colors are just a mix of those 3? and that red is fermented a bit so it lost some of its energizing qualities. Also I read that making tea is better than just straight up eating it? Is that true? As in it's a little stronger and last longer because of what the hot water does to the chemicals inside the powered leaves? I'm kinda lazy sometimes, of more like in a hurry to feel the effect from drugs, so I just heat up water to just a bit before boiling and then mix the powder and water in a glass, stirr and then let it sit for 10 minutes then chug with using fruit juice as a chaser, should I change this technique?

So yea, I like kratom and I wanted to talk about it, if anybody wants to confirm or correct what I said about it, I welcome it! :alien:
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Yeah I've always liked the reds better. Like you mentioned, it offers more of a relaxing effect than a stimulating effect. I was doing the "trainwreck" brand kratom capsules for the longest time, but my girlfriend told me she'd heard the red strains were more potent, so I switched from the trainwreck (white maeng da) to red. I took the same amount of capsules I normally did and was able to distinguish a noticeable difference. I've never had the powdered kratom, but after reading your post im interested to try it. I guess it depends on your desired effects as to which strain is the best. The trainwreck was good in its own way, definitely more stimulating- the buzz reminded me of a potent pre work out powder with a slight mood lifting quality. But I've always been a downer kind of guy. I love being able to take something to relax and just chill. Kratom is a wonderful thing and I hope it's never outlawed. 7oh is a whole different beast. I love the stuff, maybe too much. It's prolly a good thing that it's really expensive because if it wasn't id go ham on em. Something tells me that 7oh will be made illegal soon. The withdrawals from it are just as bad if not worse than traditional opiates...
 
i cant seem to make kratom enjoyable year ago my friend gave me kratom and i had a good glowing experience it felt as if coffe and codeine had a child was awsome took 6g in total it lasted entire day my depression vanished and was talktive etc i stil had some ariprazole in my system but it was negligible fast forward to this year and another friend gave me gold kratom first experience of 2 g was decent but lasted short then 2 weeks later i took 3 g and got one of the worst pannic attacks of my life was walking like a retard around my house just begging for it to end next time i took red vein and for 30 mins i felt fine then i added 1g to the gram that i allready took and got paranoid and felt as if i smoked too much weed like what the fuck is wrong with me
 
majstr said:
i cant seem to make kratom enjoyable year ago my friend gave me kratom and i had a good glowing experience it felt as if coffe and codeine had a child was awsome took 6g in total it lasted entire day my depression vanished and was talktive etc i stil had some ariprazole in my system but it was negligible fast forward to this year and another friend gave me gold kratom first experience of 2 g was decent but lasted short then 2 weeks later i took 3 g and got one of the worst pannic attacks of my life was walking like a retard around my house just begging for it to end next time i took red vein and for 30 mins i felt fine then i added 1g to the gram that i allready took and got paranoid and felt as if i smoked too much weed like what the fuck is wrong with me
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Just experimenting! You had no wst to know the extra gram would cause this reaction. Now you know. Happens to the best of us:) Live and learn. JS
 
majstr said:
yea but before i took 3 gs every day and nothing happened
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that's odd. Do you get your kratom from a reputable source? It kinda seem you were getting your kratom from different places each time. There's no sourcing here, but I'm just gonna say you should make a little internet research and figure out a good vendor so you know you're getting consistent quality powder. Also weighting your doses to make sure how much you're consuming is a good idea too :undercover:
 
Fresco said:
Kratom is great to take when you have Covid or the Flu.
Makes the whole experience much more pleasant
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I see what youre saying, but to be fair any activation of your opioid receptors is likely to make any experience more pleasant.
 
Max Flight said:
Oh yeah, I see the reference to EU.... and I completely missed out on the "photographic evidence." Well, in any case...hopefully this person will not have to go through the withdrawal symptoms from extremely high dose fentanyl.

Also, I wanted to comment on one thing. And it's coming from personal experience. And very recently too. I am prescribed 8 mg dilaudid. 4 per day. Sometimes I have a rough month, and run myself short. This month is ran myself 6 days short. And I was successfully able to use kratom to get through it. It doesn't completely take the cringe away....but does take away about 80% of the suffering. For me anyway. I take 8 to 10 grams of maeng da at a time, every 6 hours or so, as well as a lot of high quality cannabis. I will take kratom and cannabis over suboxone, any day of the week. But obviously this will vary depending on the individual. Just wanted to say that kratom does help, although still no fun coming off dilaudid though. OK. Best wishes to all.
Aloha
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I live up Paauilo Mauka on big island! U still live here?
 
Max Flight said:
That's a really fucked up thing of the UK government to do. And I think that it's ridiculous to wage war on plants, and people who are inclined to use or grow them. A deeply religious person might even consider it "satanic". I'm not a deeply religious person, so I just consider it ridiculous.

Kratom is a great plant. Unless you are coming from the viewpoint of extremely wealthy people, who need to become more wealthy for some reason...and control everything as well (I wonder if others classify this as an addiction? I would). Then these plants would be hitting you in your most sensitive area. Your bank account(s). Us common folk have no business deciding how to manage our own lives. Especially when it comes to medicating. Or self medicating. If they can control it...then it will come to bear. Not unless. And kratom stands to potentially lose big pharma a lot of money.

I see it happening with cannabis. As a long time cannabis cultivar, involved in the legal growing on the mainland to an extent. In that I'm a freelance consultant for large grow operations. I can see the system has no love for the cannabis business, unless they can control it. They're trying to install ridiculous regulations and limitations....also making it very expensive to get going in. To the point that only wealthy people who have the means to comply, are going to be able to operate. Really bums me out.
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I agree. I live in Hawaii and the amount of people on prescription medications is rediculous.
 
I know this is going to have a totally vague answer and many variables. I know everybody is different also. My question, how often is a a safe dosage schedule to avoid withdrawals. Once a week? Twice a week?
 
If you were to only take kratom once a week or even twice I can't see you having any withdrawals, never tried it myself unfortunately, but it's the best way to dose to feel the lovely affects .
 
majstr said:
i cant seem to make kratom enjoyable year ago my friend gave me kratom and i had a good glowing experience it felt as if coffe and codeine had a child was awsome took 6g in total it lasted entire day my depression vanished and was talktive etc i stil had some ariprazole in my system but it was negligible fast forward to this year and another friend gave me gold kratom first experience of 2 g was decent but lasted short then 2 weeks later i took 3 g and got one of the worst pannic attacks of my life was walking like a retard around my house just begging for it to end next time i took red vein and for 30 mins i felt fine then i added 1g to the gram that i allready took and got paranoid and felt as if i smoked too much weed like what the fuck is wrong with me
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Gold kratom is not a strain ,I belive it is a result of processing after harvesting
Lots of vendors advertise several strains but really it's the point in which the leaf has matured
I've seen "great white kratom " advertised ,really just an advertising ploy
 
I noticed on the original post and quite rightly so to warn of the risks of mixing kratom with alcohol ,all drugs,medication etc should not be consumed with alcohol for obvious reasons but kratom does seem to have a synergy with sensible amounts of alcohol alot more than the usual suspects
 
majstr said:
i cant seem to make kratom enjoyable year ago my friend gave me kratom and i had a good glowing experience it felt as if coffe and codeine had a child was awsome took 6g in total it lasted entire day my depression vanished and was talktive etc i stil had some ariprazole in my system but it was negligible fast forward to this year and another friend gave me gold kratom first experience of 2 g was decent but lasted short then 2 weeks later i took 3 g and got one of the worst pannic attacks of my life was walking like a retard around my house just begging for it to end next time i took red vein and for 30 mins i felt fine then i added 1g to the gram that i allready took and got paranoid and felt as if i smoked too much weed like what the fuck is wrong with me
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Yeah, my experience has been that kratom can be kind of inconsistent, even when using the same batch. When I first started, it was exactly what you said about codeine and coffee when I was young, I loved it, but after awhile it became hit and miss, nice one time, downright bad another. And that is despite never having a real habit, never more than a few times a week, never more than about 3.5 g. It just got unsatisfying.
I cut way back for 3 months and the effects got better but I can tell that I need to use it pretty rarely if I want to truly enjoy it. Hard to do. But that's the way all drugs are for me.
ymmv
 
unodelacosa said:
There's no widely circulated, peer-reviewed procedure that lays out mCPBA oxidation of mitragynine in full detail—but it has been reported anecdotally and used in research contexts for selective oxidation of indole systems, and it's theoretically sound. That said, most documented lab procedures for converting mitragynine to 7-OH focus on Oxone or PIFA (phenyliodine(III) bis(trifluoroacetate)) rather than mCPBA.

If you want something concrete, this patent is your best bet: US Patent US20210148049A1 – Selective Oxidation of Mitragynine to 7-Hydroxymitragynine. It outlines a method using Oxone in acetone/water, with a good yield and high selectivity. That's probably the best-documented route currently known.

The THF/water system works well with PIFA because PIFA is soluble in polar solvents. The aqueous component helps stabilize intermediates and can aid in selectivity. In theory, a similar system could work with mCPBA, but mCPBA is more commonly used in DCM or acetonitrile. Water can hydrolyze excess mCPBA or form m-chlorobenzoic acid, potentially affecting the yield and selectivity.

If trying a THF/H₂O route with mCPBA, it would be experimental territory, not something that's well documented for mitragynine.
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Went looking into some alternative reactions that can yield 7-OH-- id like your opinion on this one
(In suitable reaction vessel) Dissolve mitragynine extract in alcohol.
Add a few drops of rose Bengal, ~4 drops for every 5 grams mit
(You can probably skip this part if inclined to chemistry; do not do this step unless you are ready to immediately follow it in <5 minutes by the sequential steps, as this reaction can form byproducts when reacting with gasses other than oxygen, and singlet oxygen is so cancerous it's not even funny, so wear a gas mask, yeh? A cheap one off temu works, if anything just replace the filter)
Submurge vessel in ice bath
Run tubing attached to oxygen tank into reaction vessel
Put an upside down beaker over top of the vessel down into the ice bath, sealing off the access to normal air, while allowing the tubing to run under the 'beak'
Bubble all air out with oxygen tank.
Reflux over stirbar (still in ice bath) for 8-36 hours
[depending on how long you have and extent to which you are trying to oxidize the mitragynine. Obviously on the lower end of that spectrum, theres going to be higher mit contamination in the final product as less will have time to react]
Use a large excess of citric acid, like a super saturated water solution of it, and add roughly an equal part of this as there is reactant to the vessel.
This destroys the catalyst.
Reflux on low at room temperature for 2-5 mins
Dry on hot plate (set on low)
While drying best to throw a capsule of quercetin in to quench any remaining singlet oxygen after the citric acid- better safe than sorry!
After this you'll be left with a black, tarry residue, that, if youve correctly done the process, should be 7-hydroxy-Mitragynine citrate
To purify, this should probably be dissolved in water, freebased with a KOH or NaOH and the alkaloid potion extracted into a suitable Nonpolar solvent
Though in theory, this should be safe to consume without this step if you successfully quenched the singlet oxygen.
 
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