Opioids Kratom Mega Thread v. 5

[Slow_Mobius]

Hey everyone,
This is my first post here, I've been a lurker for years but never felt the need to post until now.
I've been taking kratom daily for several years, usually about 10-12 g, 3x a day.
I used to have an H habit about 20 years ago but now it's just kratom, weed and the occasional psychedelic/empathogen to keep my mind limber and flexible
Anyway I recently received a couple of kilos of some new "super fresh and potent" "kratom" from my supplier, (not a major, well known one, but one I've had for a long time) they're labeled Bali and Maeng Da, and they're affecting me in a very unusual way.
Instead of the warm, stimulating opiate feeling I usually get from kratom this stuff gives me strong sedation, blurred vision, intense eye wiggles, serious vertigo/dizziness, sometimes a headache, and it only partially relieves WD symptoms. It looks more yellow-green than usual, it tastes different, and it feels like it's somehow related to kratom, but different. I've written my supplier to let him know but have not heard back from him.
My neighbor had to call in sick to work after taking only 10 grams of this stuff because he couldn't see well enough to drive safely, and he's a daily user as well.
My question is this: Has anyone else encountered kratom like this before? If I wanted to get it tested for RC's, o-desmethyltramadol etc. could anyone tell me where on the west coast US I could send it for testing?
I know kratom very very well and this stuff feels really wrong. My guy supposedly gets it very fresh straight from Indonesia so it seems unlikely to be adulterated with RC's, but anything is possible I guess. Perhaps it's another plant? I actually suspected Datura at first (I've personally seen it growing all over Indonesia) but this "kratom" doesn't cause dry mouth so it seems unlikely.
Thank the gods my friend had an extra kilo of old stock Bali sitting around to loan me until I get some better shit, cuz this new stuff feels like poison.

Thanks in advance

Questions about identifying drugs and sourcing are against the rules. I would really advise against using any of this "kratom" you're talking about. You're going to have to bite the bullet and get a different product.

 

[digitoid]

Wow hey sorry I didn't think I was saying anything specific about my source, and I thought I could ask about testing labs especially given that kratom is fully legal. As a site that is supposedly focused on harm reduction I figured it was cool. My bad if I broke the rules, I'll try to be more careful in my wording in the future I guess.

 

[Scourge Of Africa]

K' s effect can vary on the same person using the same dosage of the same strain. But your experience is one helluva variance.

 

[digitoid]

yeah for sure, my friends and neighbors have all had the same experience. If I manage to get it tested I'll post the results, but my gut feeling is that there's either something else going on here or something about the way it was processed or dried has changed the alkaloid content. It is a lot more yellow than usual which could indicate that the leaves were already dead when they were dried. I first encountered this plant and started chewing fresh kratom leaves in Southern Thailand about 15 years ago, and my friends there always said that leaves that were dead on the tree were no good, so maybe that's what's up with this stuff. Maybe.

 

[Slow_Mobius]

Wow hey sorry I didn't think I was saying anything specific about my source, and I thought I could ask about testing labs especially given that kratom is fully legal. As a site that is supposedly focused on harm reduction I figured it was cool. My bad if I broke the rules, I'll try to be more careful in my wording in the future I guess.

Don't sweat it--your fine. I think it used to be allowed to provide sources for hr related things, but sourcing of any kind is against the rules now. I also thought it was kind of silly at first for HR or legal things, but it makes a lot of sense. Even with the strict, no-sourcing policy, people have published papers in which BL is referred to as an online forum for sourcing drugs. Ridiculous.

Anyways, I think most people here can appreciate that youre trying to be conscious of the rules, because it's not uncommon for people to post things that are blatantly against the rules and repost even after their threads are closed by moderators. But it would be a good idea to read through the forum guidelines

Welcome to BL btw

 

[cleverdolphin]

Created an account so I could just warn people I had a horrible grand mal seizure from kratom (and etizolam withdrawal). Don't take this shit for benzo withdrawal. I woke up with paramedics surrounding me, bleeding horribly from my head. If I was in a car or walking down the stairs, I'd be fucked. I told my story on Reddit and got a ton of people messaging me about having the exact same thing happen. 15 or so minutes always after taking kratom during eti withdrawal. Of course people called me a liar and blamed other stuff. There's even another post there from a year or so back of the exact same thing . I've got logs of talking to people who had it happen. It's not a coincidence. I've never had to go to the hospital for anything. I've used kratom since 2001 and never had this happen. But sometimes with the brain zaps after taking too much in a day I felt like I was on the verge, and the weird anxiety. I've quit eti before, and other benzos without any sign of seizure, but after that kratom kicked in it was lights out. I know it' taboo to claim kratom can be negative in any way, but I just wanted to warn people to be careful. I still use kratom, but NEVER during withdrawals. I think there's a lot we don't know about it. I've also talked to numerous people who also developed tinnitus and panic attacks, like I have, from use. I have aways felt kratom lowers the seizure threshold and mixed with a a thienotriazolodiazepine was not a good combination.

 

[digitoid]

Don't sweat it--your fine. I think it used to be allowed to provide sources for hr related things, but sourcing of any kind is against the rules now. I also thought it was kind of silly at first for HR or legal things, but it makes a lot of sense. Even with the strict, no-sourcing policy, people have published papers in which BL is referred to as an online forum for sourcing drugs. Ridiculous.

Anyways, I think most people here can appreciate that youre trying to be conscious of the rules, because it's not uncommon for people to post things that are blatantly against the rules and repost even after their threads are closed by moderators. But it would be a good idea to read through the forum guidelines

Welcome to BL btw

Thanks for the welcome and the kind words of advice, Slow_Mobius.

 

[Slow_Mobius]

Created an account so I could just warn people I had a horrible grand mal seizure from kratom (and etizolam withdrawal). Don't take this shit for benzo withdrawal. I woke up with paramedics surrounding me, bleeding horribly from my head. If I was in a car or walking down the stairs, I'd be fucked. I told my story on Reddit and got a ton of people messaging me about having the exact same thing happen. 15 or so minutes always after taking kratom during eti withdrawal. Of course people called me a liar and blamed other stuff. There's even another post there from a year or so back of the exact same thing . I've got logs of talking to people who had it happen. It's not a coincidence. I've never had to go to the hospital for anything. I've used kratom since 2001 and never had this happen. But sometimes with the brain zaps after taking too much in a day I felt like I was on the verge, and the weird anxiety. I've quit eti before, and other benzos without any sign of seizure, but after that kratom kicked in it was lights out. I know it' taboo to claim kratom can be negative in any way, but I just wanted to warn people to be careful. I still use kratom, but NEVER during withdrawals. I think there's a lot we don't know about it. I've also talked to numerous people who also developed tinnitus and panic attacks, like I have, from use. I have aways felt kratom lowers the seizure threshold and mixed with a a thienotriazolodiazepine was not a good combination.

This is something that I've seen reported several times. Even with your personal account, it's hard to pinpoint the exact cause. I think it's prudent for seizure prone individuals to avoid kratom, but we still can't rule out the possibility that it's related to specific strain varieties, processing methods, or contiminants in the leaf. I've personally gotten very different effects from powdered lead that I've purchased from different vendors, so I wonder if there is an alkaloid(s) that is left behind in some products via different processing techniques.

Unfortunately, this wild speculation is a direct result of our very poor regulation of herbs and supplements.

 

[digitoid]

This is basically the same question I have, is it possible that the alkaloid content could change noticeably depending on the age of the tree, the freshness of the leaves before drying, exposure to sunlight etc... ? My kratom-chewing friends in Thailand always said the leaves were only good when they were fresh and most of them wouldn't even use them if they had dried out. I always assumed it was because chewing dried leaves just sucks, and having personally chewed a ton of fresh kratom leaves I can say with certainty that the effect is basically the same whether the leaves are chewed fresh or dried into a powder and swallowed.

 

[burn out]

Created an account so I could just warn people I had a horrible grand mal seizure from kratom (and etizolam withdrawal). Don't take this shit for benzo withdrawal. I woke up with paramedics surrounding me, bleeding horribly from my head. If I was in a car or walking down the stairs, I'd be fucked. I told my story on Reddit and got a ton of people messaging me about having the exact same thing happen. 15 or so minutes always after taking kratom during eti withdrawal. Of course people called me a liar and blamed other stuff. There's even another post there from a year or so back of the exact same thing . I've got logs of talking to people who had it happen. It's not a coincidence. I've never had to go to the hospital for anything. I've used kratom since 2001 and never had this happen. But sometimes with the brain zaps after taking too much in a day I felt like I was on the verge, and the weird anxiety. I've quit eti before, and other benzos without any sign of seizure, but after that kratom kicked in it was lights out. I know it' taboo to claim kratom can be negative in any way, but I just wanted to warn people to be careful. I still use kratom, but NEVER during withdrawals. I think there's a lot we don't know about it. I've also talked to numerous people who also developed tinnitus and panic attacks, like I have, from use. I have aways felt kratom lowers the seizure threshold and mixed with a a thienotriazolodiazepine was not a good combination.

I am not calling you a liar, but I just want to add I have taken TONS and TOns of kratom in high doses during benzo wd and never had any issues.

 

[Scourge Of Africa]

Besides vomiting muscle twitches is the only side I've ever had. I still keep thinking about kratom's evolution following the same pattern as MJ. 20 freakin percent alkaloids would drop anyone like a bad habit. Three days in dream land.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

...I've personally gotten very different effects from powdered lead that I've purchased from different vendors...

I know this was a simple typo/autocorrect issue but I still found it amusing...

 

[Slow_Mobius]

I know this was a simple typo/autocorrect issue but I still found it amusing...

Haha *leaf

I find it pretty amusing as well, so I won't even bother editing it

 

[Bigfatjoe96]

Hey guys just got my new batch today but its like sand! I never had powdered kratom come with sandy texture i only noticed when i went to eat some and spat it out because not sure if its safe ive brought loads off my online vendor source and never had ote like this before what i want to know tho is it safe to eat and is it normal? Thanks in advance

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

Hey guys just got my new batch today but its like sand! I never had powdered kratom come with sandy texture i only noticed when i went to eat some and spat it out because not sure if its safe ive brought loads off my online vendor source and never had ote like this before what i want to know tho is it safe to eat and is it normal? Thanks in advance

You mean it's coarser then usual? If so: it just wasn't ground as finely as you are used to.

I recently received some coarser kratom from a place I usually get finely ground powder from. The coarse stuff was a more expensive Maeng Da strain. It worked for me just as well as any other strain. Wasn't worth the extra money, in my opinion, but that's just the way things go.

I suspect it absorbs in the stomach slightly slower since it isn't ground as finely but honestly I haven't been able to tell the difference when using it versus the other stuff.

One thing I noticed about the coarser stuff I have: one tablespoon of it weighs slightly more than a tablespoon of the finely ground stuff. This may not be universal... Just something I noticed about the batch I have.

 

[Bigfatjoe96]

You mean it's coarser then usual? If so: it just wasn't ground as finely as you are used to.

I recently received some coarser kratom from a place I usually get finely ground powder from. The coarse stuff was a more expensive Maeng Da strain. It worked for me just as well as any other strain. Wasn't worth the extra money, in my opinion, but that's just the way things go.

I suspect it absorbs in the stomach slightly slower since it isn't ground as finely but honestly I haven't been able to tell the difference when using it versus the other stuff.

One thing I noticed about the coarser stuff I have: one tablespoon of it weighs slightly more than a tablespoon of the finely ground stuff. This may not be universal... Just something I noticed about the batch I have.

So as long as its safe? Cool and yeh the texture is just basically like sand

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

So as long as its safe? Cool and yeh the texture is just basically like sand

If it's actually kratom that you have, then yes it is safe.

Of course there is always a chance what you have is not actually kratom... If that is the case then there is no way any of could tell you whether it's safe or not.

Try contacting the vendor and ask them about it. If they are a reputable vendor I'm sure they would be happy to explain why it looks different than usual in texture. Just be polite when asking.

I bet it's regular kratom that hasn't been ground super fine... But there is no way for me to know whether or not that actually is the case through the internet. Sorry man.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

(sorry for the double post - using mobile and cannot edit)

I just checked my Maeng Da (the stuff I said that I had that is more coarse) and it does kinda look like green sand. My stuff works great, hopefully that is the case with yours as well.

 

[Scourge Of Africa]

Alot of people dose high expecting an effect that simply isn't possible with K & keep increasing they're doses in an ignorant attempt towards that end.

The DEA is either stupid unaware of K' s real effects(not likely) OR their lying about they're true reasons for scheduling it (very likely).

 

[Bigfatjoe96]

Allah works in many mysterious ways native young one!!!