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Opioids Kratom Mega Thread v. 5

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Then of course, is the ONLY drug I really like better than Kratom which is Shrooms but living where I live I can never find them BUT I swear to god ONE DAY I am going to really learn how to grow them and grow myself a SHIT LOAD.

I don't usually get visuals from shrooms but what I DO get is a TOTAL and COMPLETE sense of inner peace as if EVERYTHING is right with the world and Kratom is the only other thing that gives me that except shrooms does in fact do it even better.

So if I were to combine a mild stimulant like Very low dose Prolintane or Dex with Shrooms I think I'd get everything Kratom gives me of course with the exception of NOT being able to go out in public much on it.


And then people talk about Tianeptine but I've never used it.

How good is Tianeptine, how safe and how habit forming and how much does it feel like Kratom??

Also, can Tianeptine be safely combined with SSRIs like Lexapro and Benzos like Klonopin cause I take both of those.

I know some people say Tramadol is like Kratom but that SERIOUSLY interferes with SSRIs so I won't touch that.

Or are there any other RCs out there even or other drugs I might not know about which provide that kind of "speed ball effect" WITHOUT being SUPER dangerous.

That feeling of "inner peace and release from anxiety" along with MILD TO MODERATE stimulation??
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As far as I know a research chemical you can buy legally online that replicates( I'm not such a gomer to actually make some more great shit dissapear and I will remember this so I don't earn a repremand) absolutely nothing.
 
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Well, great time to focus on the correct and inportant effects and downplay the subjective, exasserbated, so called side effects. I smell a thread.
 
What could be a potential replacement for kratom, at least to help wean off of it? I was thinking possibly about kava kava or Valerian root. Valerian root can be purchased for quite cheap.
 
scarlet_tunic said:
What could be a potential replacement for kratom, at least to help wean off of it? I was thinking possibly about kava kava or Valerian root. Valerian root can be purchased for quite cheap.
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Kava and Valerian could help a tiny bit with kratom withdrawal, but not a whole lot since they don't hit opioid receptors. I personally used DXM to help come off kratom, though in a way it prolonged it, I still had to go through some days of uncomfortable,sleepless,shit-feeling. Thankfully, I haven't used kratom in quite some time as I always ended up addicted and while nowhere near as bad as being on strong opioids full time and also not near as bad coming off, it still totally sucked.

That said, this scheduling of kratom is idiotic and another back assward step in the futile and horribly damaging war on drugs. I mean I knew it was inevitable, and just a matter of time, but I am very glad it is actually being fought somewhat and not taken lying down. Kratom has helped a great many people, and even if it hadn't, the risks involved go nowhere near justifying it being scheduled as a controlled substance. Give me a fucking break.
 
You would need the support of NA to end that fight. By the way, do any of the bigger anti drug groups support Kratom. Who Are Kratoms medicinal supporters. Maybe if you could get a few health departments at medical colleges to be frank about the safety profile while it is still unscheduled. A couple people throw together a letter, that we could submit? I'm sick of misinformation bullshit.
 
Speed King said:
You would need the support of NA to end that fight. By the way, do any of the bigger anti drug groups support Kratom. Who Are Kratoms medicinal supporters. Maybe if you could get a few health departments at medical colleges to be frank about the safety profile while it is still unscheduled. A couple people throw together a letter, that we could submit? I'm sick of misinformation bullshit.
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Apparently there is a whitehouse.gov petition against the scheduling of kratom that already has over 30,000 signatures. Also, the american kratom association is raising money to hire lawyers to file lawsuits, pay lobbyists and things of that nature.
 
We need to use mass media and heavy HR awareness of Kratom and all of its natural beauty. Show how the side effects are rare when used properly. How people are able to avoid unpleasant withdrWal in a natural, self medicating way. Misuse has to be on the way out now. We all clean up our act and image and hopefully much more support for a almighty cause.
 
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im sorry but its pointless to go against a special interest (pharma).

look at guns....90% of americans favor increased background checks...90%...gun lobby prevents it from happening because it will hurt profits. what percentage of the population even knows what kratom is 0.00001%?

you are not free, we need to get that through our head and accept it. your the property of the government. they will only act like they care what you have to say but will do as the lobbyists wish.
 
Guys, just buy seeds and plant now. You still have a couple of weeks. This whole thread could "live" of off one big Kratom tree.

Or buy little plants, but those are often ridiculously expensive.
 
Speed King said:
We need to use mass media and heavy HR awareness of Kratom and all of its natural beauty. Show how the side effects are rare when used properly. How people are able to avoid unpleasant withdrWal in a natural, self medicating way. Misuse has to be on the way out now. We all clean up our act and image and hopefully much more support for a almighty cause.
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Unfortunately I think its too late for this to have any bearing on the temporary scheduling, but I wholeheartedly agree that people need to focus on responsibke use over the next 3 years. The only problem is that the DEA will probabky cone back in 3 years and say something along the lines of "scheduling mitragynine has reduced ER visits associsted with kratom use by 70%. Therefore, mitragynine will remain a schedule one substance"

Cannabis is schedule one because there arent clinical trials demonstrating it's medicinal benefits, and there wont be clinical trials because its a schedule one drug. Catch 22! And even if someone somehow managed to pull something crazy out of their ass that proves kratom is medically beneficial in the next month, it will be a heavily regulated schedule two drug.

Kratom's best chance is something similar to how kava went from legal to illegal to legal in the EU. Our best bet is to encourage research outside of the US (ie safety studies). In that case, there's at least a chance we get it back in 3 years when the DEA's decision is reviewed.

Stock up for the long winter people!
 
RDP89 said:
Apparently there is a whitehouse.gov petition against the scheduling of kratom that already has over 30,000 signatures. Also, the american kratom association is raising money to hire lawyers to file lawsuits, pay lobbyists and things of that nature.
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Even if it reached a million signatures , the white house has a tendency to ignore these petitions. Their response is usually "Thank you for bringing this to our attention" and you will never hear from them again. Its such a joke. Time to move to Canada.
 
Can I ask, - if you had a 30 gram per day Kratom habit - lasting almost 4 years, the majority of that period at a lower level, somewhere around 15 grams per day, having ramped up lately. Would you taper or CT?

I'm in Canada so I'll still have access for the time being, but I can sympathize with all my friends south of the border in for a rough ride if you're forced to quit using.

I hate it now, I get no pleasure from it, just have to take it every 4 or 5 hours or I start feeling WD's. I literally cannot remember what it feels like to wake up in the morning without WD symptoms starting to kick in.

I got laid off a couple months ago so I don't have to work. Broke up with my GF a month ago and am in a place where I don't really know anyone all that shit kind of magnifies the negatives of being on Kratom to me, compared to when things were going better in life. I went a little over 24 hours without it, about a month back and it was really rough, mentally mostly - world seems so bleak, I failed to stick to it. But I just feel like my life is becoming drug addicted bullshit, I'd love to go travel and do something cool shake up my life a bit but I'm tied to the leaf. Like I'm 30 now it's just ridiculous to keep going with this.

I've been tapering a bit, and honestly, I find that even a really shallow taper, like a gram or less per day - I just feel a low level crappy feeling all the time. Nothing like major suffering, but just enough to make it not really enjoyable to do much. I don't know whether I'd rather go through that for a month, or just fucking CT and sit around crying and writhing around for a few days or however long it takes and be done with it. I find the mental aspect just so hard to get over. My optimism for life is pretty weak at times as a guy taking 30G/day of kratom, I'm worried things'll get really scary after a couple days of WD.
 
tkarr said:
Can I ask, - if you had a 30 gram per day Kratom habit - lasting almost 4 years, the majority of that period at a lower level, somewhere around 15 grams per day, having ramped up lately. Would you taper or CT?

I'm in Canada so I'll still have access for the time being, but I can sympathize with all my friends south of the border in for a rough ride if you're forced to quit using.

I hate it now, I get no pleasure from it, just have to take it every 4 or 5 hours or I start feeling WD's. I literally cannot remember what it feels like to wake up in the morning without WD symptoms starting to kick in.

I got laid off a couple months ago so I don't have to work. Broke up with my GF a month ago and am in a place where I don't really know anyone all that shit kind of magnifies the negatives of being on Kratom to me, compared to when things were going better in life. I went a little over 24 hours without it, about a month back and it was really rough, mentally mostly - world seems so bleak, I failed to stick to it. But I just feel like my life is becoming drug addicted bullshit, I'd love to go travel and do something cool shake up my life a bit but I'm tied to the leaf. Like I'm 30 now it's just ridiculous to keep going with this.

I've been tapering a bit, and honestly, I find that even a really shallow taper, like a gram or less per day - I just feel a low level crappy feeling all the time. Nothing like major suffering, but just enough to make it not really enjoyable to do much. I don't know whether I'd rather go through that for a month, or just fucking CT and sit around crying and writhing around for a few days or however long it takes and be done with it. I find the mental aspect just so hard to get over. My optimism for life is pretty weak at times as a guy taking 30G/day of kratom, I'm worried things'll get really scary after a couple days of WD.
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unfortunately there is no easy way off of opioids....you either do a taper and feel like medium shit for a month or two....or go CT and feel like extreme shit for a week.

i did a taper off of my scripted fentanyl over the course of a month....i felt like shit and like i was withdrawing the entire month....when i finally jumped off totally dose was so low it was not bad at all...almost no withdrawal (actually felt worse during points of the taper).

You have to really want it...otherwise the temptation of having opioids around is too great to not take enough to feel normal.

i also had no job or responsibility of any sort during that month...so this made feeling terrible the whole time possible.

no easy solution.....try dxm do help lower your dosages while still feeling more normal...this worked for me.

it was so worth it. the freedom i feel of non being dependent is incredible
 
I don't even think I'm going to stock up because I'll run out eventually and just be even that much more into it by then and I started to get a bit too obsessed with it as it is, but I found out it wasn't even very addictive for me at all and even using 4 days a week about 14-18 grams a day all I had was 4 days of mild depression and a runny nose.

IT"S A SAFE SUBSTANCE!!!

And in the end I just get REALLY REALLY angry, not even just about Kratom but the entire war on drugs and the DEA and all of it.

What fucking chance is there, not only of Kratom becoming legal again, but of the ENTIRE war on drugs just STOPPING, at least in just ONE country of the world???

I'm not even talking necessarily about America, I'm talking about JUST ONE country, ANY country, where ANY AND ALL drugs, whether they are Kratom, weed, Shrooms, Heroin, meth, LSD, whatever...are ALL decriminalized???

IS there even ONE country in the ENTIRE world like that???

The best countries/cities I know of in terms of drug laws are Amsterdam and Portugal and even they have MOST drugs illegal don't they??

I mean I'm not sure about Portugal.

What is the status of hard drug like Heroin and Meth over there?

Amsterdam has legal weed sure, but they pussed out and made shrooms illegal again cause ONE person jumped off a bridge on Shrooms, and they have some clinics for Heroin addicts but STILL even over there they probably imprison heroin and meth and even shroom dealers or people caught with a lot.

WHEN WILL JUST ONE COUNTRY HAVE THE BALLS TO SAY THEY WILL HAVE ZERO DRUGS LAWS!!!

Why can't we just say that if you are fucking 18 years old and NOT driving a car that you can take whatever drug you want because it's your body?!?!!

I know I'm just ranting but it makes ZERO sense.

Drugs only cause crime MOST of the time BECAUSE they are illegal and hence linked to violent crime inevitably because criminals control the drug trade.

Make them ALL decriminalized and available at your local CVS and nearly ALL the drug crime would ABRUPTLY stop.

Sure, you'd still have overdoses, but I bet you'd have FAR fewer.

But it doesn't matter cause Big Pharma, the DEA, police agencies and prisons stand to gain SO much money from keeping drugs illegal there's no way we can win this war.

The only way to win essentially, or at least fight back, is either petition and try to fight legally, but that doesn't usually work, so then the best way to "fight back" becomes simply figuring out a way to not get arrested and do whatever drugs you can get your hands on, as most of us here do.

We hence become criminals, but the best we can hope for is not to get caught by the evil fucking overlords who will imprison us and ruin our lives for hurting NO ONE.
 
I have to ask people though:

WHY do you all think that the DEA just decided to "temporarily" schedule Kratom??

The only explanation I've heard is to try not to "upset" people too much and then announce that it's permanent later but I'm not sure I buy that because why would the DEA really care that much about upsetting Kratom users?

Such a small percentage of the population even knows what it is let alone uses it.

And the saddest thing about it is that unlike more popular drugs like weed, shrooms, LSD, and harder drugs I don't use like Meth, Heroin, etc...Kratom never had enough time to gain enough popularity before it's banning to ever be likely to be available on the street afterwards.

All those other drugs had time to gain solid enough followings that after they were made illegal they continued to available due to demand.

It's a pretty sinister move by the DEA--Nip it in the bud BEFORE Kratom becomes popular so that it will vanish almost entirely from Western society.

I HEARD that Thailand decided to remove it from scheduling perhaps in response to what the U.S. did, citing that the war on drugs has failed.

IF so that's an AMAZINGLY open minded move and I would applaud them.

Is there any truth to that rumor???

If so, I wanna go to Thailand lol.
 
After 17 years of pain management on oxy i was getting ready to jump to kratom in the hopes then weening off kratom now this! Pharma runs this country runs the whole dam world MONEY means everything flesh and blood mean nothing very sad news very
 
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