Yes, generally low doses are more stimulating. White-vein strains are most energizing. Green is in the middle ground. And red relaxes. Basically.
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Yes, generally low doses are more stimulating. White-vein strains are most energizing. Green is in the middle ground. And red relaxes. Basically.
I am looking to replace benzodiazepines for muscle crapms and headache, First will Kratom help? Second Which strain is the strongest and which method of consumption is the best. BTW I am really not an opiate user but have a high tolerance, like 20mg oxycodone is barely something to me even if I didnt touch opiates for more than a month.
Thanks for your time.
Thanks for your time.
Ziiirp
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I would choose green vein strain for your purpose. It is generally the perfect allround type of Kratom (also dependend on the country of origin, there is Borneo Green Vein, Mindanao Green Vein, Bali Green Vein, Sumatra Green Vein, Vietnamese Green Vein etc.). Red Vein feels too much like an opiate, it is rather boring and too sedative. White vein is the worst choice for as an aid for muscle cramps. It rather exacerbates cramps and can also cause a mild panic attack in stimulant naive persons. Maeng Da is some sort of White and Red Vein. It is sometimes hit and miss, because the dose-response curve is steep with maeng da. From a certain point you just get very nauseous.
Perhaps also a 50%-50% mixture of red vein and green vein works in your case. I personally dislike red vein as it is not really utilizable. White vein is sometimes too stimulating even for an abuser of synthetic stimulants.
To sum it up : First start with a green vein.
Perhaps also a 50%-50% mixture of red vein and green vein works in your case. I personally dislike red vein as it is not really utilizable. White vein is sometimes too stimulating even for an abuser of synthetic stimulants.
To sum it up : First start with a green vein.
Oxygal
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That's good to know. I've been favoring Bali and haven't really tried anything else. Maybe I should branch out a little.
Ziiirp Thanks for the advice ! I am planning on alternating between Kava (mixed with chamomile and Lemon balm), Kratom, (Low benzo dose with low lemon balm and green tea), cannabis and then Lyrica and start the rotation again. To avoid tolerance to any of those.
As for kratom I will probably use a mix of Red and Green 50/50 it sounds like a good idea for my specific issues. Are extracts worth using or simply plain material made in a tea?
As for kratom I will probably use a mix of Red and Green 50/50 it sounds like a good idea for my specific issues. Are extracts worth using or simply plain material made in a tea?
Ziiirp
Bluelighter
It was a long time ago I last made tea. Usually if you plan to brew a tea, you should buy crushed leaf instead of powdererd leaf (but powdered leaf also works). If you buy powdered leaf, you commonly administer via the toss and wash method, i.e. putting an amount under the tongue and then washing the powder down with some juice/cacao.
In your case I would probably measure out an amount of green vein powder, let's say max. 2.5 g + an amount of red vein powder, also max. 2.5 g and then washing it down in 2-3 heaps. Maybe start lower, if you have really high quality powdered leaf (happens sometimes
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If you are disgusted by tossnwash, just brew a tea out of the powder. Just start rather low and be patient.
The most stimulating/quickest ROA (independently of strain) is chewing crushed leaf (non powdered). In that way the enzymes released by the membranes in the mouth decompose the alkaloides already before the Kratom gets digested. In that way you also can assure, that you do not OD, as you feel effects already 1-5 minutes after chewingl.
In your case I would probably measure out an amount of green vein powder, let's say max. 2.5 g + an amount of red vein powder, also max. 2.5 g and then washing it down in 2-3 heaps. Maybe start lower, if you have really high quality powdered leaf (happens sometimes
).If you are disgusted by tossnwash, just brew a tea out of the powder. Just start rather low and be patient.
The most stimulating/quickest ROA (independently of strain) is chewing crushed leaf (non powdered). In that way the enzymes released by the membranes in the mouth decompose the alkaloides already before the Kratom gets digested. In that way you also can assure, that you do not OD, as you feel effects already 1-5 minutes after chewingl.
Oxygal
Bluelighter
Well, I had my first experience taking too much Kratom yesterday. Worst. Experience. Ever. I got jittery and anxious. And then nauseous AF. I thought Kratom was nasty going down. Coming up? Horrific. I will definitely be more mindful of my dosing from here on out.
Ziiirp
Bluelighter
Yeah, there are strains, that are not forgiving in that regard. :D But I don't like high doses anyway. Low/Medium dose (3-6g) green vein is my favourite.
I never puked from Kratom, but if you accidentally get some powder in the trachea, you'll spit everything, that's in your mouth against the item standing next to you. In my case it was a white wall and a mirror. Pure art.
I never puked from Kratom, but if you accidentally get some powder in the trachea, you'll spit everything, that's in your mouth against the item standing next to you. In my case it was a white wall and a mirror. Pure art.
Oxygal
Bluelighter
LOL! Have you had Green Maylay?
Ziiirp
Bluelighter
You mean in that art session ? I am not sure. But you have a point, Green Malay tastes more nasty than average green vein, it is more voluminous.
Generally I'd claim, that I already tried any plain leaf - type. Extracts and enhanced stuff I only tried a couple of times, not my cup of Kratom tea.
Generally I'd claim, that I already tried any plain leaf - type. Extracts and enhanced stuff I only tried a couple of times, not my cup of Kratom tea.
Oxygal
Bluelighter
No, I got sick off of Bali. I was just curious about the Maylay. I don't like too much stim tho.
Oxygal
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During the art session...you're killing me.
EphemeralOutlet141
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Malay is a very all-around decent strain, just ordered some after I tried out the sample I got in my last order. I personally like mixing reds and greens and the occasional white together. Broader range of alkaloids and all that.
Oxygal
Bluelighter
Thanks! I know it's been discussed in the Kratom thread before...some say whites are more stimulating and some say the green ones are. I guess it's just totally subjective and I won't know until I try! I think Maylay is gonna be my next purchase. I haven't been feeling the Bali as much lately.
Oxygal
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What are you talking about??
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A white strain from my experience but I haven't taken a white since I first got into kratom, and with an almost no kratom tolerance it could of been that I was just sensitive to the stimulating effects that kratom has.
If you can handle the taste and texture I would mix it in water, orange juice etc. I personally like V8 juice the best with OJ being second. Kratom does NOT mix well in cold liquids so what I do is first use only hot water and use just enough to cover the kratom, the hot water will allow it to mix in instantly then fill up the rest of the glass (I use 8 ounces) with the fluid of your choice and chug it in one breath.
Option 2- Capsules, I use the 000 size and can fit 1 gram+ in them.
IMO mixing it in liquid seems to work a little better but being a daily user I can only deal with the gritty K-mud for a week or two before I have to switch over to capsules for a while.
neur0net
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DEA just announced its intent to use its "emergency scheduling" powers to place Kratom and its alkaloids in Schedule I next month: https://s3.amazonaws.com/public-inspection.federalregister.gov/2016-20803.pdf
Main Reddit thread discussing it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/50bjq2/dea_to_place_mitragyna_speciosa_kratom_and_its/
Absolutely, utterly infuriating. The only thing this accomplishes is ensuring more people stay hooked on heroin or pharmaceutical opiates and maintain the statistics that keep the DEA funded year after year.
Snake_Eyes
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Well that sucks, looks like it's time to stock up.
this is beyond infuriating, and i have never used kratom but have been very interested in it for a long time.....for me this is the last straw on having any sympathy for anyone who participates on the war on drugs willingly, not informants who have been exhasuted due to addiction and just an overall lack of support and proper conditioning by the system and then being terrorized and forced into indentured service by the use of blackmail of taking away what little freedoms they have, or threatining their children or loved ones, losing their jobs by being "exposed". I understand that this has been going on for way to long and that this is also not the first time they have did something like this, but has i said this is the last straw for me, anyone with any sense of decency should quit working for vice related leo has a protest, other wise fuck off you deserve no place on american soil, not even good enough to reside in prison because their are alot better people than you there...so any pigs just keep your fucking traps shut in any response to this thread and stay the fuck off this board. You are worse than worthless in my opinoin and nothing you could say could justify this type of behaivour anymore (other than i quit)....get on board or get the fuck out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
edit: and dont try and construe this has any type of threat, i would never harm anyone in any way, you are not worth my fucking freedom or integrity....but once again go fuck yourselfs, i hope you lose every bit of sleep you try to get.
edit: and dont try and construe this has any type of threat, i would never harm anyone in any way, you are not worth my fucking freedom or integrity....but once again go fuck yourselfs, i hope you lose every bit of sleep you try to get.