Kratom: How do i make it work

[blight12]

2 questions:

1. Any idea why the fuck I need to eat min 20 grams of Kratom to even feeling anything even though I have no opiate tolerance (never touched an opiate ever in my life) and ive only done Kratom 3 times. Note, i know the product is good, there is no doubt in that respect. So far ive tested *various strains* same shit.

2. I have no idea what opiate euphoria is supposed to feel like but i get nothing more then what i could compare to 1 tiny line of shit coke.
Even when consuming amounts that result in an inability to walk and itches everywhere (no nausea ever but nothing gives me nausea).

I was so amped about Kratom but instead im going nuts with frustration. Im now tempted to do the harder opiates just to determine what its supposed to feel like. Maybe im just expecting to much?

 

[Pjkt2501]

I'm going to move this to OD, as there is a wealth of information about it over there.

BDD -> OD

 

[nsauce]

Kratom isnt going to get you very high. It is best used when withdrawing from opiates. I can imagine it would be frustrating to an opiate naive person to try kratom before any "real" opiates, but you aren't going to get more than a VERY mild sensation from it. I think you are expecting too much. In my personal experience (heroin addict and all opiate abuser for 20+ years) the first time I took Kratom I took about 8-10 grams and got a very nice high. as if I chewed up 3 or 4 lorcets. The second time, same thing except I got sick as soon as the high was over. Other times I felt nothing. So for me, at least, Kratom was hit or miss. I quit messing with it because I didint like spending money on something when I didnt know if it was even going to do anything.

 

[RegisteredStoneeer]

Hey pal. I'm quite a person. but enough about me,
KRATOM!
1.So you've never touched an opiate, usually thats the reason people are having trouble with kratom. If you do 80's eryday than its not gonna work really.

2.It isn't a big powerful drug, or it would be illegal or more well known. So you may be expecting too much.

3.What makes you think your supply is good quality without a doubt? Everytime Ive done it, ive never exceeded 15grams.
I trust my source however (and its sold me salvia years ago that was better than any salvia I'd seen anyone else have from smokeshops.)

4. How exactly are you consuming this kratom?
5.don't move to harder drugs.

 

[blight12]

nsauce, thats the fucked up thing, you got a very good high, even though you have tolerance, I on the other hand should without a doubt at least get "a good high" due to no tolerance whatsoever which seems perfectly logical.

The most I have got is a comfortable body sensation which indirectly influences my mood, however im certain there is more to an opiate euphoria then that otherwise people wouldnt bother with opiates. I am expecting a mood altering high, a pleasurable feeling, something along those lines. If somebody could attempt to explain opiate euphoria in comparison to coke euphoria, that would really help to identify if its occurring or not.

Obviously there is know way to know for certain if my product is good, but i can tell when i have had a big dose due to other effects like weak muscles, trembling, crazy itching, inability to see straight etc

Plus i have heard experience reports of serious euphoria, nodding etc from Kratom, many go as far as to say its better then pharma opiates.

Again i think if somebody could attempt to explain what opiate euphoria feels like, it would really help.

1 thing though my first experience 4 days back i was eyeballing doses and ended up eating a big amount, prob 35g's or so, couldnt focus on anything, walking was hard, it was as if every muscle felt like i had gymed the day before, any exertion on any muscle would result in trembling, weakness, shaking, dizziness etc. I am wondering if that first OD experience has perhaps killed my tolerance for the next 3 attempts the following 3 days.
From what I have read though it doesn't work this way and takes longer to build a tolerance.

Ok to be thorough, I have had H once 2 years back when a dealer accidentally supplied me a G of Thai White instead of coke. Suffice to say hitting a fat line of H while driving did not work out very well. I also did not experience any euphoria from this experience either but i put that down to freaking out not knowing wtf was going on.

Ive honestly wanted to experience an opiate high for years but never willing to do the real thing. Kratom seemed like the perfect way to experience it but alas... Its killing me!

 

[nsauce]

I never said I had a tolerance when I took the Kratom. I had no tolerance at all at the time. Kratom isnt really even a true opiate. Do a little research (outside of bluelight). If you want a real opiate experience, I would suggest trying a real opiate and being educated and informed about what you are doing. Coming here and asking questions is a good way to do that. Good luck and be careful whatever you do.

 

[rancidrocker]

so it took me a few times of smoking heroin of foil before i felt anything, and thats only because im such an amphetamine whore, i didnt know what to look for until i got my hands on some really good stuff. if your talking about shit coke, i can only assume you know what good coke is, thus im assuming your the upper type of person. dont look for a high, dont look for anything at all and just listen to music or lie down or something. the moment i realized what all the fuss was about was when i found myself thinking how i felt like, this is going to sound either really stupid or really funny, but you know that really warm shower you took as a kid before school for ages not wanting to get out, you sit there for like 15 mins contemplating whatever but only spending 1 min actually cleaning yourself haha, you dont want the shower to end because then you have to face the dreaded.. i have to go to school now reality. well that was my first experience on opiates (metaphorically speaking), but i choose not to use them at all anymore because that attitude went out the window with me when i realized its not going to pay my rent if i get comfortable being 'okay with being bored'

 

[blight12]

Ok i think i might be expecting something very different from what it is. Im definitely a stim lover but im trying to move away from that lifestyle.

Basically the only euphoria i can compare to is stim based euphoria so essentially im expecting the opiate high to feel like stim euphoria but without any of the speedy effects.

I will say that the 3rd time i did kratom things did seem to improve, i felt i was on the edge of something great. I noticed an irresistible compulsion to smile constantly. The closest thing i can compare it to is the come up on pills. Taking more Kratom however just made it go away. It seems that you need to get your very first dose right, redosing seems to do nothing positive.

My yardstick for determining if something real is happening is increased music appreciation which is apparently common with opiates. So far though I have been disappointed.

I will keep trying, testing different doses and product, ill get it right eventually.

 

[Nib]

Kratom is all about finding which strain and what dose just finally work for you. You need to find a good reliable vendor (PM me) and then just experimenting. Once you get the full effects from Kratom it can be very much like any good opiate.

You're right the first dose is important but re-dosing does work a little bit. Better off though get it right the first time and not fuck with your tolerance and addiction by re-dosing a lot for a weak effect.