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Opioids Kratom Have I blown it?

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Astrodude

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Hi everyone
I am new to this forum, and forums in general
I am a self employs 43yr old male, married with 2 teens
I have had a history of substance abuse from my early 20s to this current day
I was clean for a short while then was injured and ended up on the codeine train, that led to 6 years of a new love affair with opiates
I decided to try and get "clean" and under the instructions of my GP I tapered then hopped off.
It was during the last stages of my taper, I started to realise I would not be able to continue working on my own and pass a chemists without popping in to buy some pills, that would lead to cold water extraction and health risks, so I researched and came across kratom.
Day 3 into my abstenance I was suicidal.
I received my kratom in the post, took 3grammes and in half an hour I was back to "normal"
No, better than normal, I was happy, energised, calm, I thought I had found the holy grail!
I have been taking it now daily for 2 weeks, and although I swapped strains, and varied doses, I have (I think) used too much, and developed tolerance very quickly.
I am worried I have spoiled the effects this wonderful plant has to offer me.
I am trying to lower my dose, taper, adding stem and vein to the mix etc and find I am miserable as I know I have to take days off to try and reset my tolerance, this is of concern, as I may slip back into old habits
I have used at the most 20g or so in 1 day split over 4 doses but am now trying to cope with 1.5g (with 1.5 s&v) twice a day but I am distracted by the urge to take more!
However if I do, it just makes my eyes feel slow to react and bulgy (if that makes sense?) with a cloudy mind
Any advice would be gratefully received
I have several strains at home
Red borneo, green malay, meng da thai, indo, malay, stem and vein, a house blend? And I even bought a full spectrum tincture, that in my opinion had no noticeable effect? I have done more research and have found that you are advised to stay away from extracts and tinctures as these lead to quick tolerance! All of the kratom I have is powdered leaf, should I be using dried unpowdered leaf?
I normally toss and wash.
Thanks for reading
 
You develop tolerance to Kratom very quickly.

It's best to take a couple of days inbetween using or use for a week then take a break.

Otherwise it just stops working. Even if you upgrade to enhanced powders or stronger extracts, the result is the same. You should have something else to use the days in between because they will be uncomfortable, though, just craving the Kratom.

I love UEI. It's the strongest you can get and basically a full-blown opiate. So it will be like a typical opiate addiction (though more gentle than most).

Don't do it.
 
Ninae said:
You develop tolerance to Kratom very quickly.

It's best to take a couple of days inbetween using or use for a week then take a break.

Otherwise it just stops working. Even if you upgrade to enhanced powders or stronger extracts, the result is the same. You should have something else to use the days in between because they will be uncomfortable, though, just craving the Kratom.

I love UEI. It's the strongest you can get and basically a full-blown opiate. So it will be like a typical opiate addiction (though more gentle than most).

Don't do it.
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Thanks for the advice ninae.
any suggestions what to take during kratom abstenance periods?
 
All I can think of are benzos and Lyrica or Neurontin. They give some of the same euphoric downer feel. They are very unhealthy and bad to get addicted to, though, and some of the point of using Kratom is to avoid drugs like that. But I guess for a shorter period you could.

Otherwise, the only thing you could do is using the strongest extracts as your main high and taking the weak powders in the days in between, not to get high, just to not feel like shit.

DON'T think of doing high doses of Immodium. I stupidly did and almost died of kidney failure. There is something toxic in them so you can't take as much as you want like with benzos or pure opiates. I guess many would just smoke pot.
 
If you are tossing and washing ~3 grams of kratom a day you should have very little to deal with in the way of physical withdrawal symptoms if you simply discontinue usage. You may feel a little sluggish for 1-2 weeks but you certainly shouldn't expect misery.
 
No you havent blown it. Just taper down, kratom is so much easier to taper than traditional opiates its not even funny.
 
sekio said:
If you are tossing and washing ~3 grams of kratom a day you should have very little to deal with in the way of physical withdrawal symptoms if you simply discontinue usage. You may feel a little sluggish for 1-2 weeks but you certainly shouldn't expect misery.
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Hi sekio
i am tossing and washing 3G 3 times a day at the moment but am trying to (going to) cut down
 
burn out said:
No you havent blown it. Just taper down, kratom is so much easier to taper than traditional opiates its not even funny.
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Hi burn out thanks for replying to my question
i appreciate it's not as physically difficult as traditional opiates to quit, it's mainly physiological but that is debilitating for me as I work on my own with little human interaction my job is physically and mentally challenging with an element of danger (I have to access high places) and the little human interaction I have, I have to be my best, likeable, witty, informative, helpful (I basically have to sell my self) and I have been using "something" for so long I am unable to see how people exist everyday without "something" to alter their reality even if just a bit?
i guess I'm damaged in some way?
 
Ninae said:
All I can think of are benzos and Lyrica or Neurontin. They give some of the same euphoric downer feel. They are very unhealthy and bad to get addicted to, though, and some of the point of using Kratom is to avoid drugs like that. But I guess for a shorter period you could.

Otherwise, the only thing you could do is using the strongest extracts as your main high and taking the weak powders in the days in between, not to get high, just to not feel like shit.

DON'T think of doing high doses of Immodium. I stupidly did and almost died of kidney failure. There is something toxic in them so you can't take as much as you want like with benzos or pure opiates. I guess many would just smoke pot.
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could u eleabort on ur symptoms and doses? the lope scared me to man i had some serious pains, they went away since then but im still scared that might be my kidneys ( originally i thought it was fecal impaction) i still worry myself
 
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