Kratom - First Time - OMG. I hate Kratom.

[TheMMT]

OMG. I hate Kratom.

Edited for content, clarity, and amusement & education for all.

After your standard reading through bluelight, erowid, etc. , I finally acquired some Kratom.

28 grams were received as expected. Having read many reports, I thought I'd be conservative and use 6 grams. This is straight kratom foliage, low cost, not the 'super-kratom' or any extracts.

I simmered the 6 grams, strained, simmered plant ,matter in new water, strained, twice.

Slowly drank the resulting brew (You'd think something so bitter would have worked out better).

Now, I can see in retrospect if how I had taken this and simply layed down I would have been okay.. maybe nodding a bit and feeling ok. But the primary effect was the old freezing of the entire GI tract.. nothing digestable, everything returning as issued, etc.

Nausea associated with motion was bad.. it would pass after vomitting, but would inevitably return.

In a way it reminded me of all the negatives of poppy tea without the loveliness which is why some of us like it . I also felt a little.. spacey as well, but it could just be placebo from reading about the supposedly active chemical's structures online and whatnot.

This is what I wrote before this edit:
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10 hours later.

Standing-up-nausea finally subsiding, but still feel kind of queasy. I've long since purged both my lunch and dinner.

Long story short, vague opiateness, if I had done nothing but lay down, I would have been ok. Instead, I was treated to what felt like all the euphoria of a mild amount of codeine and all the nausea of a really bad dose of naughty opiates.

Not much else to say. After all I read, I'm unbelievably disappointed with Kratom. I can't imagine how I could be convinced to try this shit again.

I'm just happy I didn't have a 1/2 oz as suggested. 6 grams of leaf was more than enough, thank you.

Wretched, foul foul stuff. Even some powerful MJ couldn't touch this nausea.
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Ultimately, I couldn't keep anything down that night. NExt day, was right as rain.

wretched stuff. Probably should have chewed a quid. Don't know why I'm even thinking that.

Hope you enjoyed the story. Your mileage may vary,

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

This should really be moved to Trip Reports

 

[Delta9]

that sucks man. people get nausea from kratom but i've never heard of it lasting 10 hours.
i've done kratom 7 times, at least 1/2 oz each time. i only got nauseaus once and that was because i ate a huge meal about 20 minutes after taking it. i've taken kratom with 4 other people and one of them got slight nausea but the other 3 had none whatsoever. some people are just more susceptible to nausea i guess.
it sounds like you'll never take kratom again, but if you did i'd recommend taking it on a very empty stomach and not moving around much for about an hour.

 

[TheMMT]

You couldn't pay me to take that stuff again. I'm surprised I got such powerful effects from just 6 grams. I did 3 hot water extractions on the material, but man..

And this Calea Zatachichi stuff is perfectly wretched too. I think it's some of the worst stuff I've ever tasted, far far worse than 4-ho-dipt or even centrophenoxine.

Zatecachichi does mean bitter, after all. *sigh*

Any mods want to move this to TR? I can flesh out the original post if needed..

 

[subdefy]

My first time I tried kratom was absolutly amazing, 2nd time I forgot to filter so I only got down about 1/2 of the brew because it was a gag reflux each time and last time was my third time and I managed to get down all of it (7.2g of super kratom) but I was quite surprised by how not very strong it was, I think I fell asleep before the effects really got strong.

 

[Mean Girl]

By all means, pad it out!

 

[Piper methysticum]

Hmm.. Never got those effects. I like Kratom better than Heroin and Oxycodone (my other favorites), especially when I mix it with Cannabis.

 

[Psilo707]

^ Whoa! Better than those two? Ok, now I MUST try this.

 

[Rasclatt]

try 6 grams of extrract and you'll know why people love it, small doses are not that nice and you proabably get more nausia from just leaf.

 

[Bullsquid]

Excuse me but what is Kratom? never heard of it before

 

[Limpet Chicken]

UTFSE

 

[rachamim18]

Kratom...

First of all Kratom [leaf or extract] has alot of side effects, some of them not so nice [understatement] but nausea is not one of them. There have been alot of cases lately with people buying what they thought was Kratom and getting everything under the sun. If you don't have the leaf you could have been taking anything. Stick to the leaf and make your own extract if necessary.

 

[Rasclatt]

if you use sites that you know are genuine, and often you can tell, than you're not going to get sold any old shit and its well worth it. Obviously nausia would be increased with using leaf because you have drink a higher concentration of filthy tasting stuff making it more likely that you feel ill.

 

[rachamim18]

But...

But it's not traditionally consumed as tea...You are supposed to chew the leaf or if unable for some reason to smoke it.

 

[kori64]

what about snorting Kratom?

what about insuffalation of kratom if it's in powder form? and which powder would be right to use please?

with the leaf, does it have to have an activator like another leaf needs illipta?

thanx for the education.

 

[Piper methysticum]

Kratom is not active in low enough amounts to achieve effects through insufflation. That would be a foul experience, even if the strong extracts were used. You would have to find the isolated alkaloids of Mitragynine in order to attempt that, and I suspect even then, it would be a foul experience.

 

[Xorkoth]

Hmm.. Never got those effects. I like Kratom better than Heroin and Oxycodone (my other favorites), especially when I mix it with Cannabis.

I concur. In fact, I am generally bored by full opiates. I find kratom to be distinctly better. Particularly in that it doesn't shut you off from the world or your emotions. The feeling is also incredibly natural, moreso than opiates in my opinion... total relaxation but with a sense of excitement and euphoria and energy like MDMA or something of the sort.

Also, mixing it with cannabis is nearly essential, as it synergizes extremely well. And for what it's worth, it mixes really well with AMT also... my favorite recreational drug combination of all time is AMT + kratom + cannabis.

EDIT: You've been quoted from the past! Do you still feel the same way?

 

[_Wally_]

little off topic, but would extracts be a better idea than using the leafs? considering the nausea and quality of the effects...

 

[Piper methysticum]

EDIT: You've been quoted from the past! Do you still feel the same way?

In general, yes. I mean, I've had an ongoing problem with Opiates/Opioids, but I still enjoy Kratom more for what it does. I like that it doesn't blind my emotions but still gives me the high I enjoy.

 

[Xorkoth]

Indeed. And FWIW, for anyone dealing with kratom addiction/withdrawal (as I am), I have found recently that phenibut (look it up) has done wonders for me. It's allowed me to keep a positive and get physical relaxation, so that the withdrawal really barely touches me and I can sleep. I dare say I might be over the physical part already! Last week was the first time in a long time that I went a whole work week without sneaking kratom doses in every other day or more often, every day.

little off topic, but would extracts be a better idea than using the leafs? considering the nausea and quality of the effects...

Yes and no. I have noticed, especially as I've been using it for more and mroe years, that kratom leaves do easily cause dizziness (not so much nausea). It's a strange behind-the-eyes dizziness that can ruin the experience or at least make it less enjoyable. When you first start using it, you get good positive effects at doses lower than the dizziness produces, but as your tolerance goes up, they start to coincide. The extracts reduce or eliminate this dizziness, but the problem is that I've always found that the effects are more "simple", like some alkaloids are left out (probably ones we're not even aware of the activity of). The experience feels incomplete, more like a true opiate. Plus the extracts are really expensive and to get a good effect, I've had to consume 2.5-3 grams of 10x extract from a good supplier, whereas a dose of 10 grams of regular leaf would have gotten me to the same level of intensity but with a more complete feeling. But also, unfortunately, with perhaps a bit of dizziness.