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Kratom - First Time - No Good

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So about a month ago I started poppy seed tea. It worked well. Did it once a week.

I read about Kratom, so decided to give it a whirl. After much research, I decided this place was reputable and ordered some basic Kratom leaf.

I read an average "strong" dose was about 14 grams, so I used that much (half of the one-ounce bag).

I used the "soy milk" recipie that seems to be highly regarded - I stirred the Kratom leaf into some shallow hot water, let it sit for a few minutes, filled the cup with soy chocolate milk and drank the whole thing.

It did almost nothing, and by all accounts, 14 grams should have given SOME results. I did feel a *slight* buzz, but if poppy seed tea is a 6 or 7 on a scale of 1 to 10, I'd give this a 2.

It DID prevent me from getting any sleep last night, though.

As part of the experiment I also ordered. It's very finely crushed leaf, almost a powder. It says it's 3 times as strong... tonight I'll drink half of THAT bag.

Still a few hours before I get there, so any advice is welcome.

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well THAT didn't go so well. As I write this I'm a little dizzy and my stomach feels like shit.

So I put half the bag (half ounce) of the 3X Kratom into a glass of hot tea and downed it. Not so thrilled with the taste (as expected) and I'd say it is stronger than what I took yesterday - the taste is far more dense.

That was about 9pm.

Sitting in front of the computer, maybe 20 mins later I felt it coming on... not strong, but it was a sort of woozy, sedate, "disconnect" feeling. Not bad. 10 or 15 mins later it seemed clear it wasn't going to get any stronger, but I thought that if it did, I would be happy.

SO I decided to eat the rest of the ounce and "push it" a little further along.

I mixed it into another glass of tea, and this time it was harder going down. Really vile, but I slammed it.

Also note this is on a fairly empty stomach. Today ALL I ate was a muffin and an ice-blended coffee at around 3pm. I had read here that a lot of folks puke from Kratom, but I handled the first half ounce (both yesterday and today) with not even a hint of nausea, so I wasn't all that worried.

Anyway, I sit back down and within maybe 15 mins I notice the woozy feeling is getting a little more pronounced. Not sure yet, but this could be a good trip! Then the phone rings so I get up and walk across the room to get it. I answer it, and about 10 seconds into the conversation I feel a very strong spike of nausea. Not "oh it's just a fleeting bit of indigestion," but that unmistakable "you are about to puke your guts out dude, run!" feeling.

So I make an excuse and ditch the call, bolt to the john and heave a nice, healthy patch of green mush into the bowl. Yuk.

This is an hour, maybe 90 mins tops into the whole experience. So I puke a few more times, but I figure ok, it's out of my system, everything will be cool now. And, while I was cleaning up my mess around the edges of the toilet, this rarely-seen close up view revealed that the whole "toilet area" of my bathroom hasn't been cleaned in years! So I took the opportunity to scrub up.

Anyway, I clean up, take a shower, call my friend back, chat for an hour or so... all the while I my stomach is feeling awful but I don't think I'm going to puke anymore. As far as the high goes, well, at best it's a slightly sedate dizziness.

I figure part of what might be upsetting my stomach is the fact that I haven't had anything to fucking eat all day, so, in much the same way that having a few bits of simple food often helps with a hangover-induced stomach ache, I ate half a bagel and had some water.

2 mins later, I had another close-encouter with a large chunk of porcelin.

Ok, obviously I can't keep anything down. Fuck, I thought it was all over with and out of my system. So NOW I feel like I'm back to normal, and I don;t really notice very much Kratom spitting up, so I eat a handfull of pecans and have a sip of water.

And I sit down to write this, taking us to about 1:30 am. A few paragraphs ago, I got that wonderful urge again, so I back I was for another round with Cardinal Chunder.

No Kratom, just the mush of what I tried to eat half an hour before.

So, as it stands, after eating an ounce of 3X Kratom, I have - at best - a high that can best be described as "a little dizzy" and I can't keep anything down.

At least I have the Kratom to thank for a seriously clean bathroom!
 
Nausea only hit me with kratom if I overdosed. You're overshooting, now. Really though, with high quality kratom, a 7 g dose would be enough for you to feel. I suspect you have mediocre kratom. PM me if you want
 
Use less kratom, and also make it in a tea. I used to use the same kratom that you speak of (before moving to pods) and 4 tablespoons made into a tea was a nice pleasant buzz.

Everytime I've eaten the leaves I vomited. Never once threw up from the tea though.
 
You used 14 grams of 3X kratom? Well no wonder you're dizzy and sick, you took WAY too much! And it sounds like your first experience was with old or low-quality kratom. 7-8 grams should be enough to feel it from regular good-quality leaf.

Do you have opiate tolerance? You mentioned poppy pod tea. I ask because a strong opiate tolerance can make kratom almost impossible to work on you.
 
try maeng da and uethai combo about 15 grams ,best feel i ve had in a long time ,and im a high mainteninence opiate person...peace
 
I just got some maeng da, and plan on using soon. Will make a tea. Problem is I've lost my scales- it's active at 1-2 grams, can anyone give me an estimate as to how big 2 g's of leaf is. I estimate a teaspoon. Anyone have any thoughts?
 
I would have to say dont mess with it till you get a scale, becasue if you take too much you will be sick, nasty sick! You caould get a hand scale, weigh a larger amount like 15 grams and split it however you want.
 
even once you find your dosage sweet-spot (which is really finicky with kratom, but the key essentially), you may still get the nausea/dizziness. i found only about 30% of my experiences with it were good, but those times were pretty awesome. i moved onto tramadol afterwards which is much easier to work with and has a similar energizing buzz (whereas poppies seem to be more sedating and dreamy).
 
After being addicted to enhanced extracts of kratom daily for 3 years i must recommend moderation. For work...omg..yeah its the best. It made me work harder and stronger than anyone else i knew of but it also ran me down so hard. If your not a healthy person this plant will ruin your well being...be safe
 
DJ25 said:
I just got some maeng da, and plan on using soon. Will make a tea. Problem is I've lost my scales- it's active at 1-2 grams, can anyone give me an estimate as to how big 2 g's of leaf is. I estimate a teaspoon. Anyone have any thoughts?
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1 level teaspoon ranges from 2 to 2.25 grams, depedning on the density of the particular powder. With such potent product I would recommend a scale. But in the interest of harm reduction I wanted to share my experience with dosing kratom without scales.

I second the moderation. I'm pretty bad with kratom right now... I've been using it multiple times a day and I start withdrawing less than 12 hours after my last dose. It's a very addictive plant.
 
Thanks for the advice Xor. All kratom seems to do to me is make me a little sedated, the thai at low dose was a little stimulating, but I have yet to find my sweetspot so to speak.
 
I like kratom more and more... making a special effort not to use it daily. I got my hands on a kilo of the stuff, for cheap, whilst in the country where it is a native shrub... Now it is of course tempting to use it indiscriminately... but I find that just a teaspoon of keeps me happy for hours. takes the edge off things like nothing else bar opiates - and i would rather not use opiates. I hardly ever feel nauseous with kratom, but then that's because I don't use high doses. I am not looking for that total 'nod' experience I got the first few times i had it... but just for a pleasant buzz that allows me to enter the serenity realm. It's really like valerian for me, come to think of it, just better.

The only time I ever get nauseous from it is when I use an extract... makes me wonder if it's because my dose is then too high or because extracts may have some solvent left in them.

I do wonder to what extent it may be addictive though, in the long run. Many report unstable moods with long-term use, and that's the last thing I need ^_^

the other thing with kratom as a regular brew that may be of concern is its body load... it appears that kratom puts some strain on the liver (a friend who has fairly advanced hep c felt awful after kratom - not while high on it but the next day) - and anything that burdens teh liver isn't a good thing to use daily, or even just 3 or 4 times a week. A key reason why I don't drink every day.
 
ok so to update, I tried Kratom again maybe a month after creating this thread... but this time I made a tea out of the 3X leaf I had left over.

THAT gave me a really nice buzz. VERY good.

I've since tried to make tea from the "super strength" powder I've gotten, or just poured it into hot juice and drank it, but to no avail. Very little buzz.
 
kratom extracts are a waste of cash. i go with a good indonesian crushed leaf, and make a strong tea. gotta be baseline off opiates for any worthwhile effect.
 
I'm about to receive some Indo kratom for the first time. I find Bali leaf to be great as well. I enjoy extracts but they're a huge waste of money. For example I need 6 grams of 10x extract to feel a good buzz, that is only a little bit better subjectively than 10 grams of Bali kratom. But it costs like 20 times more.

If you have very fine powdered leaf you can also just toss it in your mouth and drink it down with water.
 
Super experienced kratom enthusiast here: Been doing kratom daily for years. Had it not been for kratom I seriously doubt I would never have gotten off a very, long time serious opiate addiction I had for many years. That is the thing about kratom-if you are seriously dopesick, I good whopping dose of kratom will instantly cure that, but the key is getting good kratom and not all kratoms are created equally. I used to belong to a kratom forum, and without mentioning names or places to buy, I must leave that info out, but it is important to know this about this stuff: NOBODY with ANY experience with KRATOM KNOWS you DO NOT FOOL with MAKING TEA OUT OF IT. You stick your spoon in the baggie, and you gulp it down and chase it with grapefruit juice. Most experienced "kratomites" know this is really the only way to get the most out of it, and grapefruit is arguably a potentiator for kratom, but I know at first, I had a hard time getting down that way, then suddenly I just acquired a taste for it and now me and hubby both have regular weekly deliveries of this stuff that we just know the delivery guy has to be wondering what this stuff is. Extracts are good, but IMO way too expensive for what you actually get. Hubby prefers plain, or occasionally enhanced Bali, while I tend to have much more expensive tastes, and will get the Thais or Endos or Malaysian versions. I am waiting for the day the damn DEA makes this stuff illegal like they did "khat", then life will not be so easy for those of us that don't want to live in fear of withdrawal all the time. One word of caution tho---NEVER chase it with a carbonated beverage, or you WILL be sorry.
 
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