Kratom - First Time - Kept Mr Off Oxycodone

[DiscoS]

Dear BL Dudes and Dudettes:

Background: Late 20's Male, lightweight. I had quit a relatively mild OC habit 3 weeks prior to the Kratom experiment (60-80mg max a day for about 8-9 months, with a few week long breaks mixed in throughout).

I had about 2 tall boy beers earlier that day (not a regular drinker), and smoke MJ daily.

Setting: Friend's house with a bunch of close friends for the memorial day weekend. I knew they'd be using, and I figured the best way to stay clean and keep my mind off of opiates would be to try something new/similar yet legal.

Preparation: I had received 12g of 15x Kratom extract powder. I later read that the extracts aren't quite the same as the actual leaf, but it was already too late as I had already purchased the powder.

I used the "puddle" preparation method.... First put honey on my tongue, then ONE teaspoon of Kratom, followed by plenty of juice to wash it down.

T: 00:15 Aside from my heart beating a bit faster (which, if I didn't know better, could have just as easily been attributed to nerves from the new substance), I wasn't really feeling much from this. I decided to wait an hour before taking more to see what happens.

T: 00:30 Feel about the same. I wasn't thoroughly disappointed though, I didn't expect to feel much. The mild stimulation effect is still there, but I'm not feeling super sociable.

T: 01:00 OK, what the hell, time for another teaspoon. I also smoke a J with one of my friends and sit in the gazebo.

T: 01:15 Uh oh... Stomach not quite right. This could be a good thing though, but it's odd that a mixture of weed and ANYTHING makes my stomach feel like this.

T: 01:20 I decide to go inside the house, thinking I kinda want to throw up, but kind of don't. My thoughts are all over the place. I start walking toward the bathroom, get vertigo (first time in my life). Room is spinning suuuuper fast and I know I'm about to fall on my ass. Between the kitchen and the hallway to the bathroom I grab onto the corner of a wall/doorway in a desperate attempt to keep standing.

T: 01:25 The vertigo subsides as quickly as it hit me. I actually make it to the bathroom without falling, and throw up a little bit, feeling better afterwards. I go to sit on the sofa.

T: 01:35 Sitting on the sofa watching TV I feel pretty good. It's certainly not the lovely high of the OC's. It feels like I'm just more stoned off the weed than I should be. The relaxed/sedated feeling is definitely there, just not so much euphoria.

T: 02:30 After about an hour the effects begin to wear off. I do notice intermittent nodding, but this could just be from exhaustion. The nods are NOT the same "straight to REM" kind of nods that more powerful opiates provide.

T: 03:30 By this point I'm pretty much back to baseline

Review: Kratom was interesting to try... and it served the purpose of keeping me clean from opiates for the weekend around others who were using which was pretty impressive in itself.

That said, it's not really all that great in extract form. Next time I may try the leaves themselves rather than the extract... but I'm in no rush.

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[Floaters]

Interesting trip report. The nausea might have been caused by the addition of the beer and weed. If you try it again, I would probably wait to feel the full effects of the Kratom before adding other substances. The lack of euphoria is a bit disconcerting though. It sounds like the relaxed/sedated feeling could be gotten simply with a benzo without the adverse side effects. Thanks for sharing.

 

[theWorldWithin]

Dont mix alcohol with Kratom. As I am sure you know alcohol and opiates are not the best combo and usually results in less euphoria with more nausea. This effect is much more severe with Kratom.

 

[DiscoS]

To be fair, i only had 2 pints of beer earlier that day, and had stopped drinking at least 2 hours before by first dose of Kratom. But I can see how that could have played a part in the nausea.

I'm also an odd case with opiates in general. Both being on opiates (even the first time i took OC) and during detox I have had next to no stomach problems whatsoever (which I attribute to medication I take for other stomach ailments which must also help to keep my gut in check)

ANYWAY, I tried another Kratom experiment in the middle of this week with no alcohol involved. Randomly woke up at 4am (usually i sleep fine), and decided to make some Kratom tea with what I had left. I can't really say the exact dose because I had shared some with friends, but I think I had about 2g left.

I didn't really feel like reading up on the different methodologies for prepping the tea at 4am, so I just put the powder in water on the stove and let it simmer/not boil, for about 5 minutes or so.

Unfortunately I didn't have anything to help the taste, but I slugged a coffee cup full of the sludgy tea down as quickly as I could (5-7 min...)

Within about 15 minutes or less I was definitely feeling relaxed. That's the one thing I can say about Kratom for me is that it definitely has anxiolytic properties similar to benzo's. I still didn't get much euphoria from it, just a little bit of the warm tingly feeling... but my history of OC abuse / tolerance probably numbed me to the weaker Kratom impact on the receptors.

Anyway, within an hour of taking my Kratom tea I couldn't keep my eyes open... so it did the trick of helping me to get some sleep.

I don't plan on ordering more in the near future, but wouldn't turn it down if offered.

My next experiment is probably going to be with the 2C drugs, shrooms, or acid, since true psychadelics are one of the few (if not only) realms I've yet to delve into. I'll keep BL posted...

 

[Floaters]

^Cool, I think you'll enjoy acid. Make sure you have a trip guide for your first time. I was at the museum of science in Boston during my first acid trip waiting for the start of the Pink Floyd laser show out in the lobby. At that point, the acid came on strong and all hell broke loose (reminds me of that scene in the lounge of the hotel in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas). My friend was there to guide me through it and then I thoroughly enjoyed the laser show aferwards.

 

[stardust.hero]

Kratom always gave me nausea. Some people said it was because I was taking too high of a dose I usually took around 14g. I didn't have much of an opiate tolerance. It always came on very strong and dizzy for me. It wasn't much of a day drug for me but I thoroughly enjoyed it at night. I would usually take it around 8 or 9 so that it would come on strong around 10ish and I would have an hour or two before bed to enjoy it while sitting down (I didn't get the nausea so much when I layed down I think it was more of a motion sickness dizzy type of nausea) and then it would just feel fantastic closing my eyes and stretching out on my bed in my little kratom bliss. It usually lasted good into the next day with little or no nausea and just the good old euphoria. Each time I think my body got more used to it so the nausea subsided a little each time. Kratom is a fantastic legal drug but I can't much stomach the taste anymore . Also, the first time I did kratom I took 14g as usual with my boyfriend but felt little effects. I think it takes a few times to truly be able to understand what you are trying to feel (if you get what I mean). Kinda like you don't get high the first time you smoke pot. Although the 3rd time I did Kratom I had fantastic waking dreams similar if not to the same extent as the ones when I took subs. I always tried for the waking dreams but they seemed to be less prominent each time.
My Kratom love died down when I tried making Kratom pudding with chocolate pudding and it did not end well. It's good stuff but the nausea really was a downfall for me. However, my boyfriend used opiates before but never reported getting any type of nausea when we took Kratom together. I was probably overdoing it and taking too high of a dose but I was always afraid I would miss the euphoria from it so I dosed high.