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Kratom - First Time - don't waste your time and money

There is a fine line between a dose which will provide one with an opiate-esque buzz and severe, icky nausea and sometimes vomiting. I have seen people utilize kratom as a means to taper off of opiates successfully. I still use kratom occasionally and I find it to be quite relaxing. It also depends on whether you purchase plain powder from a certain strain, extract-enhanced powder, or pure extract. Dosage will vary depending on what kratom you use.

It isn't all a bad thing. I rather like it at times. I doubt that it could be seen as a feasible opiate replacement for those who are into using pills, and really I don't believe that is what it is intended for.
 
I leapt over the fine line with both feet.

Won't happen again.

Bright side is that the yuck feelings didn't last longer than 30-45 minutes.

lokai, what do you mean by "intended for"? Do you mean the intent of individual kratom venders or in a more religious sense?

Peacelove,
Aldousage
 
Kratom has always been a very clean, but very definitely opiate-like high for me. VERY enjoyable and very mellow. Defying all logic, i've also yet to notice ANY buildup of tolerance over about 2 months of steady daily usage, except maybe to the taste ;)
 
I've only ever done the Ultra Enhanced Indo, its good because you only need 1g, but apparently it is missing some alkaloids and something or another. I dunno I like it, but I take it like once every 2 months, opiates just don't appeal to me for some reason and that is fine. But I do like Kratom, it reminds me of Oxycodone a fair bit, though more nausea in comparison to effect. Wouldn't want to 'nod' on Kratom, but it is nice for people who don't have opiate tolerance. Legal too! But expensive though, the UEI anyways.
 
Sounds like you took too much. I have a heavy tolerance and I still don't take more than 4-5 grams at once.

If you want, you could try the extracts which are quite effective but also pretty addicting.
 
Several years ago, I ingested some Kratom extract; it made me so nauseous that I've ignored the substance ever since.
 
Too much kratom will make you feel shitty and dysphoric and dizzy. It does not mean that the right dose will not work the right way. I used to think marijuana was necessary but I was just taking too much... now I rarely combine the two. I do use kratom every day though... I'm an addict for sure. It reminds me most of oxycodone but even cleaner feeling, more natural, more at-home in the body. I really love the feeling. I've tried all sorts of opiates including oxy and heroin but the only one I've ever had a real problem with is kratom because it's my favorite. It's not the strongest but the nature of the high I like more. It's like most real opiates are a sort of empty, apathetic euphoria, whereas kratom is a bubbly, joyous, true euphoria. Like it's awakening real thoughts and feelings and stimulating the mind, rather than dulling the mind and covering up pain with a drug blanket.
 
I hear ya Xorkoth. I too am a daily user of kratom. At this point though, I am looking to quit because my tolerance is outrageous and I need to take extract to get that beautiful mood lift that you describe.

I also agree on the oxy comparison in that it is more energizing and uplifting than other opiates like hydro.

Anyone who says they are getting nauseous from taking kratom, all this means is you are taking too much. If you go over the line with this stuff than you loose all euphoria and relaxation and are left feeling nauseous, agitated, and with a giant headache.

Start low. I see people saying they are taking 8-10 grams for their first time.8o I have been using it daily for months and even w/ my tolerance I would quickly puke if I took that much all at once. I usually take between 3-4 grams of regular bali and then take more in 45-1hr if I feel like it.
 
Yeah, you might've had too much. When I used to drink it I'd get a reliable, happy, sleepy buzz that'd last about an hour or two. Enjoyable and not intense.

Try half or a quarter of what you used.
 
I done all sorts of analogs of Kratom and kratom and never found them to do much.
But i have high opiate tolerance. Did something maybe bit relaxing.
 
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