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Kratom - Experienced - A New Favorite

Piper methysticum

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Experience: As far as Opiates/Opioids and Opiate-like drugs, I have tried Poppy tea, Opium, Codeine, Morphine, Hydrocodone, Oxycodone, Hydromorphone, Heroin, Propoxyphene, Methadone, and Tramadol.

Method of dosing: Tea

Dose and Duration: 1.5-9g, around 3-4 hours

Medications: None

I have written quite a few reports about psychedelics and submitted them to Erowid, as those are the types of substances I am most into, but I have used plenty of other drugs as well. I am trying to submit reports to Erowid on substances that aren't as well known as those like LSD, Psilocybian mushrooms, Heroin, and such, and Kratom use doesn't seem all that common. However, it, along with Kava and Wild Dagga flowers, has become one of my favorite herbs.

I have always prepared my Kratom by mixing it in a pot with water, lemon juice, and sugar (after it is boiled). I then bring it slowly to a light boil, and then I reduce the heat, letting it sit for a minute or two. After that, I strain the powder out with a coffee filter, and enjoy.

I was very surprised the first time I tried Kratom, though I used 3g of the resin extract that time. The effects were noted as very similar to that of Hydrocodone. This feeling is characterized by a strong sense of well being, social enhancement, empathy, surface euphoria, as well as a very warm, deep euphoric, sedation typical of Heroin. However, there is something different as well due to the indolic alkaloids in Kratom. When the effect first starts to settle in, I get a sense of stimulation, and my visual perception changes a bit. It actually feels like I am feeling the first alerts of a low dose Psilocybin high.

Ever since this first experiment, I have used the powdered Rifat strain of Kratom. It is rumored to be close to twice as potent as the more common strain of powder. I find the effects even more enjoyable than the resin. The taste to the tea is even very enjoyable for me, though some people have found it quite bitter. Personally, I love it.

At around 1.5-2g, I normally only get am alertness of the senses, mild stimulation, and a strange, extremely mild hallucinogenic perceptual change. It also causes mild euphoria, social enhancing effects, and a desire to work/study, though no narcotic effects are noted at this dose range.

At around 4g, all of these effects are amplified, though there is a stronger narcotic property that seems to "melt" away the stimulation and changes the path of feeling.

At around 6-6.5g (my favorite dose range), the narcotic properties really kick in. At this point, there is a strong sense of pain reduction (both psychological, emotional, and physical). I have actually used it for back pain before, and it worked better than any reasonable dose of a pharmaceutical Opiate/Opioid I've used. The desire to work is enhanced, but my vision and thinking processes are altered as if intoxicated, so it wouldn't be very useful to study with at this dose. The euphoria is extremely intense, and it feels very real and clean. It just feels "right." With other Opiates/Opioids, I feel like I'm always trying to hide something or use them as some sort of escape, but this seems to actually help me through things. I get some empathy and heart opening happiness that causes me to talk about personal issues. Unlike other Opiates/Opioids, I don't feel like it was for nothing the next day. There is somewhat of an Opiate hangover, though I don't crave and feel the detox. I feel satisfied. It is without a doubt my favorite Opiate-like drug.

At 9g, I could hardly walk. My vision was extremely distorted, and there was actually a mild hallucinogenic effect. The trees seemed to sway a bit, and my sense of vision was enhanced. Colors seemed brighter, and the euphoria was beyond powerful. I was really warm, and I just layed in the autumn leaves in the middle of a beautiful hollow in the woods. There were lots of large Red and White Oak trees around the area too. I felt a strong connection with nature. I felt unity and admiration of God's creation. Later into the expereince, I felt some nausea typical of other Opiates but nothing that bothered me. However, this was a bit high of a dose for me. 6.5g is perfect. Kratom also causes than "Oh so pleasant" itch.

I have also tried Kratom at 6.5g in combination with Cannabis to see if the hallucinogenic effects of both herbs were enhanced. The Cannabis I had was a high grade sativa strain, and I smoked it as soon as I felt the onset of the Kratom high. All I can say is "Wow!" The euphoria was blissful. Music sounded orgasmic, and I just moved along with what I was listening to, and it was felt very much in the body and mind. I had mild tracer effects, and the dream-like quality of Kratom was brought out even more. The closed eye patterns I get from Cannabis seemed to be more intense and turned into more intricate, dreamy scenarios. There is no way to explain the feeling of synergy between these two herbs. I strongly recommend it to anyone seeking extreme euphoria.

Overall, Kratom is not just an herb to get an Opiate-high from, but is a good pain reliever, it motivates the mind and body for work and study, and gives the user a profound sense of well being. It has without a doubt become one of my favorite herbs.
 
This report is excellent. I got the chance to try it last night for the first time. I took a dosage of roughly 6 grams made into a tea. And you are the only person to sum up the experience so succinctly. I really like this plant.

And I'll second the excellent synergy with pot. Nitrous was also wonderful with it. :)

I'll be exploring this one some more.

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I absolutly loved my first experience with kratom, ever since then I've been fucking up while preparing the tea. What is your exact method for tea prep? I dosed 5g the first time and man I didn't know I could smile and be that happy :)
 
I usually pour some water into a pot, add some lemon juice, and then stir in the Kratom until it looks like a soupy mixture. Then I turn the burner to medium/high until it starts lightly boiling (small bubbling on the surface), then I turn down the heat and leave it sit for a minute or so. After that, I strain the powder out, add some sugar, and drink it.
 
I've prepared an ounce of kratom only to experience very very minimal effects. From what you've described, I envy you.
 
umm..wat is kratom? Tea leaves? Can it be brought easily in pharmarcy or health shop product? )


Moz
 
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Ditto. Excellent report as usual!

I have only tried the 'resin extract' where 4g was said to be a powerful dose. I used this kratom extract as an opiate withdrawal aid. It completely took the WD away, and gave me a mild, hydrocodone-like high...but with a definite "indole" feeling.

I think I am going to try the "Rifat strain" pretty soon. Seems like it will make for a relaxing evening with my better half.

Thanks for the excellent report Piper!
 
i've been using the regular dried kratom leaf, which i started dosing with at 7 grams. i've been using about 20 grams or so lately for a good dose, and i've even tried about 35 once, and didn't notice any real increase in effects. i've been getting a little tired of it as the taste is absolutely horrid and the effects have only been lasting for about an hour lately. this is the 'regular' kratom, not the 'premium' kratom, so i have a batch of the premium ordered so i can see if there's any difference, or if i've just 'used up' my kratom enjoyment.
 
has anyone noticied very bizarre dreams while sleeping on kratom. The stimulating effects lasted too long and I fell asleep before I could get to the enjoying part. Very bizarre dreams, I've talekd with another person about this and they said the same thing happened when they fell asleep on methadone. Btw, Piper how long do the stimulating effects last for you?
 
The stimulating effects usually last for about 10 minutes following the onset, and the narcotic stage kicks in. However, there is still alot of stimulation during and some mild stimulation after this stage has ended. It never has bothered me at all though. I made a tea with 3g of the Rifat strain Kratom yesterday, and I smoked a bowl when it started to kick in. A while into the high, I started to nod, and I was getting very strange visuals. While my consciousness faded, these visuals turned into dreams, and yes, there are quite strange indeed.
 
I tried kratom (in tea preparation) last night for the first time and agree with what's being said. I found it similar in effect to hydrocodone and the synergy with pot and hash is fantastic.
 
Yep, just tried it tonight......appears to be the real deal.

Followed Piper methysticum's directions. Ordered that Rifat strain (Premium leaf powder I think) Took about 5-6 grams tonight. Stuff wasnt too hard to get down, just make sure you filter it, add sugar and lemons.

It is pretty stimulating, but feels like an opiate. I feel hot, pleasent, mildly itchy, social, relaxed, and my hearing is fucking SENSITIVE........

Overall, I likey

I'm just wondering if one can consume it just by putting it into gelcaps and not making a tea. I don't know if I want to risk wasting some.........at least yet.......
 
Fried Man said:
Yep, just tried it tonight......appears to be the real deal.

Followed Piper methysticum's directions. Ordered that Rifat strain (Premium leaf powder I think) Took about 5-6 grams tonight. Stuff wasnt too hard to get down, just make sure you filter it, add sugar and lemons.

It is pretty stimulating, but feels like an opiate. I feel hot, pleasent, mildly itchy, social, relaxed, and my hearing is fucking SENSITIVE........

Overall, I likey

I'm just wondering if one can consume it just by putting it into gelcaps and not making a tea. I don't know if I want to risk wasting some.........at least yet.......


DO NOT put it in gel caps and swallow it. My girlfriend tried this with about 5 grams and felt nothing but really ill for a few hours. She's tried the tea before with 5 grams and got really positive effects. Perhaps making the tea makes the active alkaloids more bioavailable?
 
damn, its just that the tea is unbearable now . . . . .First time I got it down with some trouble, second time and I could barely drink it, didn't even finish it
 
real or fake kratom

hi,

from my understanding kratom tea is legal in my country atm. I am worried does the online shop selling kratom tea powder or resin pure kratom stuff or anything illegal added into it to produce the narcotic high which might get me in trouble with my very strict no drug country ?


Thx
 
Originally posted by Fried Man

damn, its just that the tea is unbearable now . . . . .First time I got it down with some trouble, second time and I could barely drink it, didn't even finish it

Just make sure to strain the tea with coffee filters before drinking it. The powdered leaf crap is what makes me gag - not so much the taste, but the texture, and it seems to almost stick in the back of the throat...ugh.

Boiling the tea down to enough to fill a small teacup and adding lots of lime juice makes it very easy for me to drink. Personally, I find that adding honey, sugar, or anything sweet makes it taste worse.

Perhaps you could try boiling almost all the water off your tea (after you strain out every last bit of leaf material), and get some kind of resin? I haven't tried gel capping the resin, I bet it would work. You can smoke the resin, too. It's not as good as taking it orally, but I've had unmistakeable effects from smoking it.
 
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