DrinksWithEvil
Bluelighter
I don't agree with this at all.
Your getting high wether you think so or not. Using it to get energy. Cure for lack of feels etc
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I don't agree with this at all.
Your getting high wether you think so or not. Using it to get energy. Cure for lack of feels etc
Papaverium
Bluelighter
I disagree... I don't think of it as getting high, I think of kratom as a natural methadone or suboxone of sorts. It's used to combat withdrawals. Which is where I do agreee with you, it is used to boost energy and mood, etc. Not to the point of being fucked up though. If you are addicted to opiates, chances are you have a tolerance and kratom will not get you high. Though it binds to the same receptors, it only does so enough to make you not feel like shit. I can see someone with zero opiate tolerance taking kratom and catching a buzz though.
Screaming_Skull
Bluelighter
I used kratom for a while. First time was when I couldn't get ahold of any Pods. It took me about a week to get stable on it, but it worked, but i really didn't wanna get sober so I was soon back to doing oxy 30's and Morhine 100's, but it truly does work if you want to be sober and use it as maintaince....does anyone have any experince using it to get off Subs??? What dose of Sub did you have to get down to for the kratom to help with the w/d's from Sub? I'm weighing out my options since I may be getting kicked outta my Sub doc for weed(can you say BS?). I"m running through options and they are 1.Go to methadone, I feel like I''m gonna be on opiates the rest of my life anyway, which really isn't a problem with me(with maintaince ones anyway) know I would have to probly give up benzo's but would be fine with somehting like hydroxizine for anxiety, as i never really had anxiety on Full-agonist 2. Poppy Seed tea or Pod 'Maintaince'. When I was on Pods I was pretty stable, and it last all day like maintiance drugs, and morphine is used as maintaince in some countries anyway. 3. Kratom, but honeslty my last expericne with kratom i still hella craved so could see myself going back to using becuase it just isn't strong enough(i was getting bali plain leaf,grinding the leaf and eating 3-4 tablespoons a day, 3 times a day, ordering a pound every two weeks. It worked, but it made me anxious also.
I just want to say thank you to Bluelight I have been off and on painkillers for quite sometime and everytime Bluelight has given me comfort. With that said I happen to believe Kratom is a godsend for the opiate user that has to manage life, work, and responsibilities while having to manage opiate wd. I actually just went yesterday and bought 100 grams for $65.00 of Mengda Kratom to combat the opiate wd. I happened upon Kratom a few years ago and I'm lucky enough to have a local smoke shop that sells Kratom at good prices. I used to buy the capsules but I started to notice the capsules were making me sick. I was going through wd one day stopped in and a really cool guy in there told me to go with the powder you get more bang for your buck and told me to just paracute it with toilet paper if it's multipule ply pull it apart put a mound in the center twist cut off excess paper. I was looking for different was to ingest a few weeks ago so I tried mixing it in with pudding. Absolutely awful idea so ended up going back to paracute method which works awesome best I've used so far. I have tried any other strains. Anyway you want to slice it getting clean take willpower I have tapered before so well I had no wd at all but I haven't been able to do it again. Kratom has been a god send for me in tough times and I'm just happy it's a legal substance that works as well as Kratom if not my life would come to a complete hault while I go through the dope sickness.
w0w0mg
Bluelighter
100 grams is a little pricey IMO.
You can get a Kilo online for around 30.00$ USD.
I can't help you source for it's against the rules - but it is out there.
Anyways - Kratom really did not help me IMO, I ended up IVing heroin again because I was still craving so bad.
It combats WD symptoms but I still wanted to use.
Now I am back to square one - I plan on using kratom to help with PAWS and the mild/minor end WD after a short suboxone taper.
Then try my best to just stay away from it all.
I'm the kind of addict that I will try to get high no matter what it is and I think I need to just try to be clean off EVERYTHING for me to not go back to heroin.
You can get a Kilo online for around 30.00$ USD.
I can't help you source for it's against the rules - but it is out there.
Anyways - Kratom really did not help me IMO, I ended up IVing heroin again because I was still craving so bad.
It combats WD symptoms but I still wanted to use.
Now I am back to square one - I plan on using kratom to help with PAWS and the mild/minor end WD after a short suboxone taper.
Then try my best to just stay away from it all.
I'm the kind of addict that I will try to get high no matter what it is and I think I need to just try to be clean off EVERYTHING for me to not go back to heroin.
jammin83
Bluelighter
you can't get it anywhere quite that cheap but def less than what the above poster was paying. ...but lets take it easy on the price discussion. rules is rules. 
I've only used opioids pretty sparingly for the last 5 years or so. i went on a spree a few months back for a few weeks. between the dope being shitty, spending too much money, and dealing with having to cop (that part is pretty much unbearable at this point in my life), i just stopped for the most part. I've been opiate dependent in the past though, and was on bupe for a few years. I don't really get many drug cravings for the most part, just the craving to be altered which is linked to feeling bad.
My situation is a bit atypical. I have pretty major mental health problems (BP) and have all the symptoms of autonomic dysfunction after quitting zyprexa that i was using for said BP. Some symptoms have improved others pretty much stayed the same. Been going on about 18 months now. some of the withdrawal symptoms (not really WD in the typical sense) overlap with my original symptoms so it can be a bit muddled sorting things out but there are other symptoms present that have nothing to do with B. Been battling and waiting for things to improve but im coming to terms with the fact that some of this stuff prob isn't going away.
My nervous system has been sensitized and there was a point in time where even drinking a coke would make me puke. I would get severe withdrawal from drugs after only a handful of uses. Even using phenibut for a couple days in a row would send me into gaba withdrawal. still was boozing it up and smokin down and used drugs but alcohol was the only thing that brought me much solace. I tried kratom at first to move away form alcohol but didn't like it much. It gave me a lot of anxiety, and gave me hallucinations and kicked up my paranoia a lot. things have calmed down in the sensitivity department esp since using iboga. I can tolerate things much better now including kratom. it still can give me anxiety sometimes but not too bad.
After 18 months of this shit, it became pretty apparent that I needed to take something. Psych drugs are out, been there done that, and that's what got me into this mess in the first place, thanks but ill pass. weed can give me anxiety sometimes and alcohol is pretty terrible for me all around and i needed something else. been helping me a lot with my specific issues. I don't get much of an opiate effect but it helps my depression, anxiety not as much. It keeps me in a pretty good mood most of the time and I have a much better quality of life than i was getting beforehand. still drink and smoke but not nearly as much as i was and most opiate dependent folks know that booze and weed doesn't quite hit the spot. This is cheap, plentiful, and I can get it shipped to my door without hassle.
i've been using about 5-6 g a day for the last month or so with a couple short breaks. maybe a little more than a teaspoon. The withdrawals are pretty laughable, but the depression can be kind of a bitch. Opiate withdrawal is a cake walk compared to how zyprexa WD was for me anyway. Takes like 2 days before you start noticing them and theyre really mild. don't get that crawling in my skin feeling I get off of traditional opiates.
IME, the stuff is pretty self limiting. you take too much, youre gonna have a bad time. vomiting and a killer headache. I've also noticed that when I dose high (10g or so) I get very irritable on the comedown. at around 5 g I get a little boost without the crash (eyeball doses though) and lasts all day and WD has never woken me up in the middle of the night. Learning that less is more and I've actually decreased my dose from when i first started using it. Only redose occasionally and that's on my day off. For the most part I take it once a day. Due for another short break soon, but it's not stressful stopping for me, esp if I have a stash and can resume anytime I feel like it.
Hopefully this doesn't get banned anytime soon.
I've only used opioids pretty sparingly for the last 5 years or so. i went on a spree a few months back for a few weeks. between the dope being shitty, spending too much money, and dealing with having to cop (that part is pretty much unbearable at this point in my life), i just stopped for the most part. I've been opiate dependent in the past though, and was on bupe for a few years. I don't really get many drug cravings for the most part, just the craving to be altered which is linked to feeling bad.
My situation is a bit atypical. I have pretty major mental health problems (BP) and have all the symptoms of autonomic dysfunction after quitting zyprexa that i was using for said BP. Some symptoms have improved others pretty much stayed the same. Been going on about 18 months now. some of the withdrawal symptoms (not really WD in the typical sense) overlap with my original symptoms so it can be a bit muddled sorting things out but there are other symptoms present that have nothing to do with B. Been battling and waiting for things to improve but im coming to terms with the fact that some of this stuff prob isn't going away.
My nervous system has been sensitized and there was a point in time where even drinking a coke would make me puke. I would get severe withdrawal from drugs after only a handful of uses. Even using phenibut for a couple days in a row would send me into gaba withdrawal. still was boozing it up and smokin down and used drugs but alcohol was the only thing that brought me much solace. I tried kratom at first to move away form alcohol but didn't like it much. It gave me a lot of anxiety, and gave me hallucinations and kicked up my paranoia a lot. things have calmed down in the sensitivity department esp since using iboga. I can tolerate things much better now including kratom. it still can give me anxiety sometimes but not too bad.
After 18 months of this shit, it became pretty apparent that I needed to take something. Psych drugs are out, been there done that, and that's what got me into this mess in the first place, thanks but ill pass. weed can give me anxiety sometimes and alcohol is pretty terrible for me all around and i needed something else. been helping me a lot with my specific issues. I don't get much of an opiate effect but it helps my depression, anxiety not as much. It keeps me in a pretty good mood most of the time and I have a much better quality of life than i was getting beforehand. still drink and smoke but not nearly as much as i was and most opiate dependent folks know that booze and weed doesn't quite hit the spot. This is cheap, plentiful, and I can get it shipped to my door without hassle.
i've been using about 5-6 g a day for the last month or so with a couple short breaks. maybe a little more than a teaspoon. The withdrawals are pretty laughable, but the depression can be kind of a bitch. Opiate withdrawal is a cake walk compared to how zyprexa WD was for me anyway. Takes like 2 days before you start noticing them and theyre really mild. don't get that crawling in my skin feeling I get off of traditional opiates.
IME, the stuff is pretty self limiting. you take too much, youre gonna have a bad time. vomiting and a killer headache. I've also noticed that when I dose high (10g or so) I get very irritable on the comedown. at around 5 g I get a little boost without the crash (eyeball doses though) and lasts all day and WD has never woken me up in the middle of the night. Learning that less is more and I've actually decreased my dose from when i first started using it. Only redose occasionally and that's on my day off. For the most part I take it once a day. Due for another short break soon, but it's not stressful stopping for me, esp if I have a stash and can resume anytime I feel like it.
Hopefully this doesn't get banned anytime soon.
Papaverium
Bluelighter
Yes, I'd much rather be on kratom than methadone, and they seem to basically be used for the same purpose, so why not go with the natural method? lol
Hey Primer, welcome to Bluelight. Great to hear that the site has been of assistance in the past!
Parachuting is a goood idea. I just don't like having to swallow a bunch of paper. I have found a good technique to just eating it right off the spoon with some water. Everyone I tell that gets grossed out, lol. I don't see the big deal.
w0w0mg
Bluelighter
Has anyone tried these Kratom extracts they have sometimes at the gas station?I had bought 2 bottles of 'K-Chill' and it's pretty decent stuff.It's like vivazen; it contains kratom extract , passion flower, blue lotus extact, and number of other things.If anyone has experience in these products what are you thoughts about it? Talking about strength-wise and everything.It's a little off topic - but it is also still relevant. I think this stuff would be great for single dose uses in the morning to help for a maintenance.Only issue is that - I was only able to locate one gas station that had the stuff.
JimLovesOxies
Bluelighter
Very helpful maintenance wise, honestly I am not sure where I'd be without it tbh fam. Low dose is the key, try skipping days in between too
Kratom got me off heroin, which was great. Its good to use for kicking, but not so good as an everyday maintenance drug imo. Eventually it stopped working for me and started giving me some nasty side effects, but i was addicted so it was still hard to quit. I finally was able to quit kratom a few months ago, I feel so much better now. It took about a month for me to start feeling better again.
Yeah kratom is not to be used every day..I'm curious what nasty side effects u suffered from?the only thing I notice is dizziness if I take it too much..insomnia if I take it too late at night
Papaverium
Bluelighter
Got a kilo of super green maeng da in the mail today finally!!
I love how he writes on the bag "extra for being late" with a little happy face lol
Time to go take my first dose of the day!! Ahh I've been waiting for this.
I love how he writes on the bag "extra for being late" with a little happy face lol
Time to go take my first dose of the day!! Ahh I've been waiting for this.
Papaverium
Bluelighter
It sounds like a lot of Kratom. Be careful! .. so that it lasts.
Hope you are okay with the withdrawals you were having before.
Do you say that because the wds from the kratom would be about equal?i wouldn't know from first hand experience.
And yes, I will be careful, I wanna make it last
I have a feeling I may be taking this stuff for the long term, but like I said before, I don't mind switching addictions, I'm not injecting kratom which is a big deal in my eyes.
Erikmen
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No, I don't think so. Just thought of the amount and remembered that feeling.
But you are right. I think you are doing better, no needle fixation is great.
You can actually get over this. Divide them accordingly so you know how it goes.
As long as you are okay. Much better than methadone or subs!
But you are right. I think you are doing better, no needle fixation is great.
You can actually get over this. Divide them accordingly so you know how it goes.
As long as you are okay. Much better than methadone or subs!
Keeptryin1
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Been trying to avoid WD coming off of too many Percs and Kratom definitely helps. That said I find myself still wanting that euphoric feeling and so far have not found that with Kratom. Idk if it's because my opiate tolerance is too high that the Kratom can't do it's thing (I've heard of people saying hey get there with it), or I'm just one of those bodies that it's not going to work on. I sure hope not. I've GOT to get off the freakin pills!!!!!