Kratom, an Addict’s Alternative, Is Found to Be Addictive Itself

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This is extremely old news. Everyone I know who has used Kratom as an alternative/substitute for opiates, or in the hopes of using it to step down from opiates wound up getting addicted to kratom as well. :\

NY Times said:
Kratom, an Addict’s Alternative, Is Found to Be Addictive Itself

DELRAY BEACH, Fla. — Three shaky months into recovery from heroin addiction, Dariya Pankova found something to ease her withdrawal. A local nonalcoholic bar sold a brewed beverage that soothed her brain and body much as narcotics had. A perfect solution — before it backfired.

Ms. Pankova grew addicted to the beverage itself. She drank more and more, awakened her cravings for the stronger high of heroin, and relapsed. Only during another stay in rehab did Ms. Pankova learn that the drink’s primary ingredient, a Southeast Asian leaf called kratom, affects the brain like an opiate and can be addictive, too.

“It’s preying on the weak and the broken,” said Ms. Pankova, 23, a Brooklyn native who received treatment in Delray Beach. “It’s a mind-altering substance, so people like me who are addicts and alcoholics, they think just because it’s legal, it’s fine. It’s a huge epidemic down here, and it’s causing a lot of relapses.”

Some users embrace kratom as a natural painkiller and benign substitute for more dangerous substances that, in most states, is legal. But its growing popularity and easy availability are raising concerns among substance abuse experts and government officials who say it is being furtively marketed as a way out of addiction, even though it is itself addictive. Worse, some of those experts say, kratom can lead some addicts back to heroin, which is cheaper and stronger.

“It’s a fascinating drug, but we need to know a lot more about it,” said Dr. Edward W. Boyer, a professor of emergency medicine at the University of Massachusetts Medical School and a co-author of several scientific articles on kratom. “Recreationally or to self-treat opioid dependence, beware — potentially you’re at just as much risk” as with an opiate.

Concern is particularly high in South Florida, where a rising concentration of drug-treatment providers has coincided with the sprouting of kratom bars. But kratom is now available around the country. Powdered forms of the leaf are sold at head shops and gas-station convenience stores and on the Internet. Bars have recently opened in Colorado, New York, North Carolina and other states where customers nurse brewed varieties, varying in strength, from plastic bottles that resemble those for fruit juice.

Kratom exists in a kind of legal purgatory. Because it is categorized as a botanic dietary supplement, the Food and Drug Administration cannot restrict its sale unless it is proved unsafe or producers claim that it treats a medical condition. (Some packages are coyly labeled “not for human consumption” to avoid tripping such alarms.)

The F.D.A. did ban the import of kratom into the United States in 2014, however, under its authority when a substance is strongly suspected to be harmful. That year, marshals seized 25,000 pounds of it from a Los Angeles warehouse.

The Drug Enforcement Administration has listed kratom as a “drug of concern” but not a controlled substance, which would require proven health risks and abuse potential. Indiana, Tennessee, Vermont and Wyoming have banned it on their own; several other states, including Florida and New Jersey, have set aside similar bills until more is known about kratom’s health risks. The Army has forbidden its use by soldiers.

Kratom has been linked to seizures and respiratory depression, but deaths related to it appear rare. Linda Mautner, who lives in the Delray Beach area, has claimed that her 20-year-old son, Ian, committed suicide in 2014 in the throes of kratom addiction, but Mr. Mautner was also receiving treatment for depression. Some deaths in the United States have resulted from kratom’s being laced with the prescription pain reliever hydrocodone or morphine.

Kratom’s narcotic effects have been known for centuries in its native Thailand, which banned the substance decades ago amid widespread abuse. Nevertheless, kratom being sold in the United States is still smuggled in from Thailand, as well as several other Southeast Asian countries. Western research of kratom is in its infancy.

Some kratom advocates claim that it helped wean them from stronger and more dangerous opiates. Susan Ash of Norfolk, Va., said she had taken kratom during treatment for dependence on prescription painkillers, and now uses a small amount daily for chronic pain and depression. Last year, she founded the American Kratom Association, a consumer group of more than 2,000 members that lobbies against state bills to ban the substance.

“We know from all our experiences that kratom has the potential to be a wonderful medicine,” said Ms. Ash, 46, adding that her organization receives little funding from kratom manufacturers. “We’re all experiencing that it’s changing our lives. We do agree that more science is needed to actually prove this potential that we know it has.”

Meanwhile, kratom is sold somewhat under the radar. In Carrboro, N.C., a nonalcoholic bar called Krave serves kratom drinks under the name “ketum” to deter connections to the substance’s darker side, the owner, Elizabeth Gardner, said. Ms. Gardner added that if she learns that a customer is in substance-abuse recovery, she will disclose concerns about kratom’s potential addictiveness.

Kavasutra, a popular chain of bars that sell kratom and kava, another plant-based drink, does not list kratom on its menu, but sells it regularly in bottles and small plastic bags of powder.

Kavasutra’s owner, Dylan Harrison, was once one of South Florida’s primary manufacturers and distributors of spice, a synthetic hallucinogen banned under federal law. He was released from federal prison in August 2014 after serving 10 months on drug charges. Several telephone messages left for Mr. Harrison were not returned.

Mr. Mautner’s death has fueled debates among South Florida lawmakers over making kratom illegal, a move supported by the Broward County Medical Association. Neither Broward County nor Palm Beach County, which includes Delray Beach, has done so, however, and Palm Beach County decided in April to not require warning signs of kratom’s addictiveness at bars and stores that sell it.

Ms. Pankova frequented the Kavasutra in Delray Beach not only because kratom soothed her cravings for opiates, she said, but also because it was not detectable on the drug tests she took as part of her recovery program. Many drug-treatment providers consider kratom use a full-fledged relapse. Ms. Pankova said she and many friends wound up spending $60 a day on kratom drinks before moving back to less expensive heroin.

Another South Florida resident with that experience, Robert Waina, said he had abused dozens of different drugs before discovering kratom three years ago. He enjoyed the mild high to the point that he found himself ordering bottle after bottle. When he tried to cut back, he couldn’t, and eventually suffered from such withdrawals that he had to go to rehab for kratom three times, most recently last spring.

Sitting in a coffee shop in Delray Beach, Mr. Waina said recently that he had stayed sober since then, avoiding kratom like any other drug.

“If I’m taking it,” he said, “as far as I’m concerned, I’m not clean.”

Article link: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/kr...-to-be-addictive-itself/ar-BBo8YFe?li=BBnb7Kz
 
I don't think it is like that. I buy kratom from time to time, and I was hooked on opiates for over a decade. I take it when I know I am going to be in pain, or I need an elevation of mood. Just like any other psychoactive substance, people need to use caution and not abuse it.
 
Any psychoactive substance can be addictive, but none of them are necessarily addictive. It makes more sense to talk about the likelihood that using a drug will lead to addiction rather than whether it is or isn't addictive.
 
Wow, an opioid drug is addictive? Shocker!

Kratom addiction is in no way, shape or form comparable to heroin addiction. I'd rather be addicted to drinking kratom tea than I would smoking/shooting dope. Not in the same ballpark, hell not even in the same fucking county.
 
I would much rather be on kratom than H or fentanyl. That is what's going around my town. And 60 dollars a day on kratom drinks?! If people knew better they would buy online and that $60 would easily last 2 weeks. For me I can get by on just 4 grams a day so with the right vendor, $60 could last me a month if not longer. It keeps me from buying pain pills or dope and I'm ok with that for now.
 
indeed. I would bet that kratom would be a better substitute for tapering meds when kicking a harder opiate habit. I mean before I went to rehab I was down to one bag a day from 15-20 and I owe that to being able to take some kratom. When I went to detox I felt funky for the first day but I was fine and declining meds the second day....

I have kratom coming today or tomorrow. It just sits there till I need or want it.
 
This would be a joke if it wasn't for the fact everyone is gonna take this bullshit seriously. After being addicted to every drug known to man at one time or another from benzos, alcohol, opiates, amphetamines, and all that other shit kratom addiction just sounds like fun to me. I've used it heavily for months and ran out early and the worst thing of the withdrawal for me was feeling tired. I'd get the shits for a day or two, feel a bit achy and tired, and feeling a little down. Very similar to caffeine withdrawal with the addition of some diarrhea. Not too bad in my book for someone using ANYTHING multiple times a day for months on end.
 
It is just the government taking away our rights to autonomy. I believe that people should be allowed to make decisions for themselves. They have already turned doctors into people that are too scared to actually treat people appropriately for fear of investigation. Why not allow the doctors to have a little more authority on how they treat their patients without fear of reprisal?

It is how it should be for all drugs. Give the people the decision and offer them help when they want it. It would seriously cut down on the tax burden of everyone else living in the states. Give the doctor the choice on how best to treat their patient. It would cut down on addiction to street drugs, and allow a more honest and open dialogue about the care recipient's health.
 
Do you guys think that shit like this is really SOON going to lead to Kratom's illegalization and if so, how soon??

I just want to know at exactly what point those of you worried about this would start SERIOUSLY stocking up??

I'm already thinking about it, but thinking it's not necessary JUST YET to go buying a few kilos and stick to smaller amounts cause I don't really feel like purchasing THAT much right now, but as soon as I truly believe it to be necessary I'm going to.

What do you guys think would clue you in to it really being time RIGHT NOW to stock up and that illegalization might be on the horizon in the VERY near future, like, within the year??
 
Maybe a couple years but I would expect to see more states jumping on the ban wagon before uncle sam starts swinging his big dick around.
 
It's already banned in a lot of countries.
Has been illegal in australia for at least 10 years. If you're planning to stock up, why wait?
 
I would much rather be on kratom than H or fentanyl. That is what's going around my town. And 60 dollars a day on kratom drinks?! If people knew better they would buy online and that $60 would easily last 2 weeks. For me I can get by on just 4 grams a day so with the right vendor, $60 could last me a month if not longer. It keeps me from buying pain pills or dope and I'm ok with that for now.

Yeah no shit, my high end dose of 10 grams costs less than an energy drink.
 
It's already banned in a lot of countries.
Has been illegal in australia for at least 10 years. If you're planning to stock up, why wait?

I don't know, harder to moderate when you've got massive amounts lying around.

I'd rather do it when I really need to and in the meantime just have a reasonable amount around.

Australia seems to be the strictest country in the world when it comes to drugs.

I think maybe we have a little while in the U.S. at least.
 
I don't know, harder to moderate when you've got massive amounts lying around.

I'd rather do it when I really need to and in the meantime just have a reasonable amount around.
Yeah, good point. As a former opiate addict i can relate to that. Just suggesting that you might not have a huge amount of warning if a federal ban does come up - but having said that, it seems the US takes a bit of time with things like this (salvia comes to mind)

Australia seems to be the strictest country in the world when it comes to drugs.
While definitely not the strictest - Australia is certainly reactionary and quick to make legislative changes to psychoactives that the government (and bureaucrats) become aware of as "new drugs".
In the case of Kratom, i believe it is Australia's relative geographical/cultural/geopolitical proximity to countries like Thailand and Malaysia (which are anongst the strictest countries when it comes to drug laws) which banned Kratom years ago.
I think the ban here was in response to the bans in those countries, which for a long time were a source of illicit opium and heroin in this part - and most of - the world, which managed to catch Kratom in their legislative net, when laws were introduced in an effort to supress the opium trade in the golden triangle.
Kratom's been banned in Australia as long as i've been aware of it (~10 years or so) - though i have managed to buy it here.
From what i've researched just quicky, it may have been banned around 2003 - so, long before it became so popular in the US (from what i understand). This would put it in a similar timeframe to the banning of Salvia here.
Among other things, i think this legislation passes in australia much easier because there is far more unity between federal and state legislatures than in the US.

According to wikipedia;
Thailand:
In Thailand, kratom was first scheduled for control in 1943 under the Kratom Act. At the time, the government was levying taxes from users and shops involved in the opium trade. Because of the increasing opium costs, many users were switching to kratom to manage their withdrawal symptoms. However, the launch of the Greater East Asia War in 1942 and declining revenues from the opium trade pushed the Thai government into action to curb and suppress competition in the opium market by making kratom illegal.

Possession of kratom leaves is illegal in Thailand. The Thai government passed the Kratom Act 2486, effective August 3, 1943, which made planting the tree illegal and required existing trees to be cut down. This law was not found effective, since the tree is indigenous to the country. A large aspect of Thai culture supports kratom; indeed, kratom leaves have been used for medicinal purposes by nomadic tribes throughout history. However, despite this fact the Thai government had initiated a program of destroying kratom trees by burning forests or chopping large sections of kratom forests down. Eradication campaigns often destroy not only the trees but also other trees and wildlife in these areas, which are often untouched rainforests with sensitive ecosystems. A general consensus exists in southern Thailand, where the use of kratom is endemic, among leaders, public health officials, academics and policymakers that kratom use and dependence causes little, if any, health risks
Malaysia:
The use of kratom leaves, known locally as 'ketum', is prohibited in Malaysia under Section 30 (3) Poisons Act 1952 and the user may be penalized with a maximum compound of MYR 10,000 (USD 3,150) or up to 4 years imprisonment.[35] Certain parties have urged the government to penalize the use of kratom under the Dangerous Drugs Act instead of the Poisons Act, which will carry heavier penalties
 
From what i've researched just quicky, it may have been banned around 2003 - so, long before it became so popular in the US (from what i understand). This would put it in a similar timeframe to the banning of Salvia here.

Fairly interesting, because both Salvia and kratom were banned at the exact same time in Estonia too, but it was in 2013. Which is actually a bit surprising, because I had never even heard of it before that, let alone heard or read about anyone using either of them HERE. I think the main drugs here are booze, cannabis and fentanyl, although that is as much as I've gathered from the media, which is of course the last source to trust on this matter.

On topic though, I remember reading some foreign news articles saying something along the lines of "kratom is the new legal heroin", which is of course completely absurd. It would be a funny joke if people didn't believe such crap, though. But yeah, go ahead and ban much safer and less dependence-forming alternatives to other opioids... for all the good it does. SMH
 
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