Kratom 15x - first time - Fun w/ a Legal Opiate

[jorder1010]

The completely fictional version of me had been craving opiates the whole week (which is odd because i hardly do them, if ever) and decided to buy a 6 gram bag of 15x Kratom extract from a local vendor because no other opiates could be found

Preparation: I had been putting Kratom off because of the preparation, but in reality it took only a couple minutes. I brought asbout half a cup to a boil via the microwave, tossed in about 1/3 of the bag, stirred it, added some sugar, waited for it to cool, and drank it. (NOTE: it is not wise to eyeball any substance, but i did not have a scale and i read it is hard to overdose on kratom. that, and im an idiot).

Effects: After drinking the substance (which was truly awful, the reports are not exaggerating) effects were felt in roughly 10 minutes. I turned on some Miles Davis and curled up with The Two Towers (lord of the rings) but soon found that I was too relaxed and drowsy, and my mind started to wander. I put down the book and surfed the web. At this time (~30 minutes) I began to note that the small dose, which i had read was supposed to be stimulating, was actually quite sedating. The owner of the vendor I bought it from said that this would be the case, because when he tried a large(r) dose, about half the bag, he said that he had "crazy energy" but lower doses were supposed to be sedating. This was definitley the case for me.

After about an hour i started to get a nice opiate itch and opiate effects. The need to talk and sociability increased, as well as creative thoughts. Basically the usually opiate high (at least in my experience) and was almost exactly like popping a few Vicodin but a little more clear-headed and "natural" feeling. This continued for a couple more hours and 3-4 hits of marijuana were taken from small bowl. The synergy between the kratom and the marijuana worked very well, and I was content for about another hour when the kratom started to fade.

Comedown: The vendor i bought from said that he HATED the comedown and it was almost not worth it. I really had no trouble at all with the comedown, but this could have been due to the marijuana and the fact that I usually do not mind opiate comedowns that much at all, especially compared to stimulants. I did miss the feeling a little, but nothing too bad at all.

Retrospect/Summary: I enjoyed the experience a lot, and am planning on doing it again this weekend. The only two downsides were that it was very expensive and tasted like utter shit (which are two really shitty downsides) and if it were not for these I would have absolutley no complaints with this substance. Overall, if you are interested in Kratom i recommend it, especially if other opiates are not available.

 

[Xorkoth]

Nice report, thanks.

A few things. For one, 2 grams of 15x isn't really supposed to be a low dose. Although I find that the extracts are tremendously weaker than leaves. 30 grams of regular leaf would have you sick as hell for hours and hours, with a nasty sense of dizziness and strangeness. I also find that the extracts feel a little "incomplete" compared to the effects of the leaves.

That's weird that the vendor disliked the comedown... I've never heard of anyone having a bad comedown from kratom. To me there is no comedown... at some point you're just not high anymore.

Finally, low doses are supposed to be stimulating, and high doses sedating. Not the other way around. Vendors always seem to spread misinformation. I would venture to say that your dose was not a small dose but a rather larger one. A small dose would be maybe 1/2 grams or 1 gram of the extract. 3 grams is a really large dose.

If you buy regular leaves by the pound, you will get a MUCH better price per dose. It's still pretty expensive though, no matter how you cut it.

 

[jorder1010]

xorkoth, i agree with everything you said lol
i had a feeling this was a bigger dose than i thought...

also, the vendor did have a bunch of legit pamphlets about kratom that i read and they said that low doses are stimulating, etc. when i asked him about it he said, "really? thats so wrong." i guess he hadnt read them. he's only done it once though, at a high dose, so i dont know how he could have any real opinion on it.

i bought the extract because i have no other source and no place to have it delivered to. i also got the impression that the leaves take longer to prepare than the extract, and even though it could be better, i just dont feel like doing it. dont get me wrong, if your into Kratom than you should probably buy the leaf but this was kind of a quick/easy thing that was sort of spur of the moment.

 

[Mind_Movie]

kratom isn't classified as an opiate, right?
I think kratom is quite sucky, but maybe i'm used to quality opiates.

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ Kratom is an opioid... it's closer in structure to a tryptamine though (well, the active alkaloids are anyway). But yeah, it affects primarily opiate receptors, including the mu receptor (the one mostly responsible for what you think of as opiate effects). I have tried all sorts of full opiates and kratom, and kratom is my favorite. Full-on opiates are simpler, less complex, less euphoric (more apathy-inducing). kratom has a real warmth, a sparkly, bubbly energy that reminds me of MDMA or cocaine except without any weirdness. It's less sedating, but I like to use drugs to increase my experience, not block it out.

Lots of people find kratom sucky. I think it's because kratom's dose is sensitive... a little too little and it's weak, and a little too much and it makes you dizzy. Also, I've never had a fully satisfying experience off of any sort of extract, only the regular leaves.

 

[bluedolphin]

I've only had Kratom in the form of a "resin ball"... I think it was 50 grams. I went through that thing pretty quickly, and found that around 4 grams was my optimal "strong" dose, I could smoke some ganja and nod out listening to music, very euphoric.

At smaller doses it made me more alert, better mood, more sociable. Good stuff. Too bad its a rip-off.

 

[SpellmanT7]

...low doses are supposed to be stimulating, and high doses sedating. Not the other way around.

That was the 'flag on the play' as far as I was concerned (only one experience with kratom).

I only had oxy to compare it with and my lack of suitably comparitive substances meant that when I reached the sedating dose, my mindset had already/wanted to, trouble me in terms of stimulation.

I genuinely hope keen kratom'ers can find a satisfactory product for sale at senisble prices - despite my reservations, I can attest to the 'nod' quality of kratom.

 

[jorder1010]

i tried another dose tonight, and i am really starting to enjoy it (the taste and price still remain at the same level of suckiness, however).

yet again xorkoth nails it: "kratom has a real warmth, a sparkly, bubbly energy that reminds me of MDMA or cocaine except without any weirdness." however odd that description sounds, i really can't believe how well it sums up the experience.

it feels very natural, almost like the afterglow of a good event...
like the feeling you get after you've just been with a girl you're in love with, and you're driving home and all of a sudden you realize you are happy, happier than usual, and you say to yourself, "why am i so happy? oh yeah, thats right..."

i keep catching myself in these good moods and forget that its the kratom because it actually does feel like a "real warmth."

 

[Xorkoth]

Mmm... that is just what it's like... you can forget it's a drug because it just feels like natural happiness. It's like total comfort and ease and relaxation but with energy at the same time.

Careful with it... it pulls.