Kind of a heavy thread.

[TimberMan]

Hey guys, I'm dying. In short, lupus has ravaged my body to the point I can't get fixed anymore. The good news is, I am 100% not scared of death. I actually welcome it with open arms. Can't wait to see what's on the other side (maybe nothing, but even the so, WTF can I do about it?).


Anyway. My end date is basically in my own hands (sounds awful but I would have it no other way) but before I go out, I want to do a cross country motorcycle tent camping trip, and really abuse some LSD. I used to trip a little when I was a teenager (I'm late 30's now). I loved it. Like a real love affair. It always felt like a homecoming whenever it would kick in.

My question: Realistically, if someone wanted to basically stay bombed on LSD, like say every other day to 1 in 3 days, how long could they go before LSD's magic wore off? How long before it comes back? Also, could one alternate between a similar substance? If so, other than the obvious shrooms, what is similar to LSD? Which I do not find shrooms similar to LSD. LSD has much more euphoria in my experience.

I think you see where I am going here, and any help and/or advice will be greatly appreciated. And don't worry about any pity, or sorry to hear about, etc... It's unnecessary. I feel sorry for you guys having to live a full life in this place (I kid ;-)

 

[crazycatman]

Does it have to be LSD or will any /psy/ do?

 

[vibrancy3]

Well first why would you want to do LSD ''like say every other day''

OP have you ever heard of moderation (maybe you could maintain your hydration on a daily basis) and not kid around? Treat psychedelia as a sacred moment and not something to mess around with.

 

[Obsidius]

i find your take towards that situation very inspiring and couraging. i'm also looking forward death, tho i love life, i just think we all have a fatalistic view of death, this "and then its dark" never made sense. i also believe i am an eternal being (not my ego-body construct), so death is just an element of my entropical journey.

regarding LSD, you might have a hard time finding good (and real) acid these days. there is so much crap sold as acid (doi, doc, nbome's) .. not saying PEAs are crap, but if i expect an acid trip, i dont wanna shake for 16 hours because some douch gave me a hardcore dosed DOC blotter.

ever thought of DMT? or maybe an ayahuasca ceremony? i think DMT and "leaving this world" is a good match. i always felt DMT as something that "holds us here", like a key, to a door.

howeveryou decice, best of luck, and you probably know bill hicks: "it's just a ride"

 

[crazycatman]

Maybe a thumb print? Or one of those rcs that last insanely long.

Frankly in think what you want would be easier to achieve with dissociatives.

 

[vibrancy3]

Well you dont want to leave this world to much and stay in a hole all your life, balance the diss and psych's out. And God help us all (stay hydrated)

 

[TimberMan]

Does it have to be LSD or will any /psy/ do?

No, it doesn't necessarily have to be. I've basically only done three drugs in my life. LSD, shrooms, and weed. I just really, really enjoyed LSD. For me, it was 10-12 hours of uninterrupted bliss and joy. Not to mention the thinking. Damn I could figure anything out on that stuff, look at things from angles I never even knew existed, etc...

Well first why would you want to do LSD ''like say every other day''

OP have you ever heard of moderation (maybe you could maintain your hydration on a daily basis) and not kid around? Treat psychedelia as a sacred moment and not something to mess around with.

Moderation is for people with longer than a few months to live my friend.

i find your take towards that situation very inspiring and couraging. i'm also looking forward death, tho i love life, i just think we all have a fatalistic view of death, this "and then its dark" never made sense. i also believe i am an eternal being (not my ego-body construct), so death is just an element of my entropical journey.

regarding LSD, you might have a hard time finding good (and real) acid these days. there is so much crap sold as acid (doi, doc, nbome's) .. not saying PEAs are crap, but if i expect an acid trip, i dont wanna shake for 16 hours because some douch gave me a hardcore dosed DOC blotter.

ever thought of DMT? or maybe an ayahuasca ceremony? i think DMT and "leaving this world" is a good match. i always felt DMT as something that "holds us here", like a key, to a door.

howeveryou decice, best of luck, and you probably know bill hicks: "it's just a ride"

Thanks, and yeah man, you are correct. I used to fear death like nobody. It wasn't death I was fearing. It was the fact that I couldn't live in the future anymore; like look forward to things and pretend that this was my permanent home. I think a lot of people are stricken with that, "This is my permanent home, I will never die." type of thinking.

We're in a giant car heading towards a brick wall and everyone's arguing over where they're going to sit.
-David Suzuki

But I am probably going to get the LSD online. I found someone with really good feedback. Seems to have good 150 ug blotter.

But regarding DMT. Do you remember your DMT trips in detail? Or is it like that salvia stuff? I've heard Rogan talk about it a little. Hell, Rogan has a DMT tattoo. He must like it.

Maybe a thumb print? Or one of those rcs that last insanely long.

Frankly in think what you want would be easier to achieve with dissociatives.

What is it like to be on a dissociative? I don't have the means to thumbprint. Nor do I think I would want to, lol. 12 hours is plenty of a trip for me. Maybe on the last day, week, I would want to do a hand print even. But don't have access.

Well you dont want to leave this world to much and stay in a hole all your life, balance the diss and psych's out. And God help us all (stay hydrated)

Not sure what the first part means. But what is a good dissociative? Never really heard too much about them. Also, why does everyone keep saying stay hydrated? What dos that mean?



Thanks for all of the input guys. I truly appreciate it.

 

[crazycatman]

What is it like to be on a dissociative? I don't have the means to thumbprint. Nor do I think I would want to, lol. 12 hours is plenty of a trip for me. Maybe on the last day, week, I would want to do a hand print even. But don't have access.

Simplest way for me to explain it is like this. Psychadelics remove/distort a lot of the filters that usually filter impulses coming from your senses before your conscious mind is aware of them (hence the visuals and stuff). Not sure how to explain the mental effects. Disassociatives instead isolate your mind from your body and since the mind isn't used to that in generates it's own visuals. It's really hard to explain really.

 

[TimberMan]

Simplest way for me to explain it is like this. Psychadelics remove/distort a lot of the filters that usually filter impulses coming from your senses before your conscious mind is aware of them (hence the visuals and stuff). Not sure how to explain the mental effects. Disassociatives instead isolate your mind from your body and since the mind isn't used to that in generates it's own visuals. It's really hard to explain really.

Oh man, that sounds like something I really, really want to do; you were 100% correct in your assumption. I'm researching them right now. I can get most anything online. What's a good, mild, somewhat controllable dissociative to start with?

One of the main reasons I think I fell in love with LSD so much was that the first time, a buddy and I split a hit. I tripped just enough to know the feeling. Second time, it was a little harder, and so on and so on. Can you do that with dissociatives?






Funny story about the half a hit first time. I figured it was fake, so we took it on a school night (like 15 years old). We dropped, and then his older brother found us and asked if we wanted to go to the arcade at the mall. We went. Both of us had assumed that it was fake. Like as soon as I got into the arcade (an 80's/90's arcade), it started kicking in. I just walked around for like 10 minutes, 100% mesmerized by all of the lights and sounds. There must have been 50+ people there as well.

I was in another world from everyone else, and I knew it, and I was loving every second of it. I came around a corner and saw my buddy and the look on his face. He was watching a guy play ski ball and was mouthing to himself, "wow, woe, etc..." I immediately knew that we were in the same world, separated from everyone else, experiencing something absolutely fucking magical; so did he. We looked at each other and laughed for what had to be a solid 10 minutes.

Magical wonderland. LSD is Disney World for adults. Shame it's illegal.

 

[Clocktower]

My question: Realistically, if someone wanted to basically stay bombed on LSD, like say every other day to 1 in 3 days, how long could they go before LSD's magic wore off?

Literally, the magic would wear off in three days- after a week of dosing like this it will be hard to get any effects at all.

How long before it comes back? Also, could one alternate between a similar substance?

You'll need to wait a week or two between doses if you want to keep it up regularly. You might be able to close that to 5 days or so with large doses, maybe. Unfortunately, most drugs that are similar to LSD (like mushrooms) are cross-tolerant with it, so alternating won't really work either.

Dissociatives like Salvia or ketamine might help you round things out, as mentioned above. Be careful with ketamine- using it often might bring about more health problems than it's worth.

Good luck!

 

[TimberMan]

Literally, the magic would wear off in three days- after a week of dosing like this it will be hard to get any effects at all.




You'll need to wait a week or two between doses if you want to keep it up regularly. You might be able to close that to 5 days or so with large doses, maybe. Unfortunately, most drugs that are similar to LSD (like mushrooms) are cross-tolerant with it, so alternating won't really work either.

Dissociatives like Salvia or ketamine might help you round things out, as mentioned above. Be careful with ketamine- using it often might bring about more health problems than it's worth.

Good luck!

Exactly the info I was looking for. Thanks bro. Once, maybe twice a week I think will be my plan. If I remember correctly (too much trippen and my soul's worn thin) after a good trip, the after effects last a few days, and re-dosing was the last thing on my mind. I was usually trying to make sense of everything for at least a week. (Probably already knew the answer to my own question. Just hoping I was wrong I guess.)

I think I'm going to plan on 1, 2 times a week max. Now I'm just looking for things to round it off. Ketamine seems a little too, "your mileage may vary" to me. I never really messed around with addictive stuff, but I have a pretty good line on valium, so I think I'm going to throw that it in there as well - just to be artificially happy between everything.

So, so far, for my final month, 2 months, whatever.... I have LSD, 25C NBOMe, valium, high grade weed, and beer. Always wanted to try kava kava, but with the mix of shit I'm going to be on, I doubt I would even know I had taken any.

Still researching the disasociatves, but they are not looking promising as far as "this is what you get". It is looking more and more like, take this and maybe it will be fun, or maybe you will be posting on here asking others how to make it stop. I can handle the latter for a few hours, np, but 20 hours of something like that - I'm going to avoide like the plaque.

 

[Anon610]

25I-NBOMe was fun for me, and would've been interesting with LSD. I was seeing fractals of colors and my carpet was moving and lots of tracers and trails behind moving objects. It was amazing to say the least.
Perhaps throw a little MDMA in there? Let me know if you stop in PA! We have a beautiful camping spot, with a nice view. We call it 'The Knob'

 

[TimberMan]

Will do Anon, and thanks. I have been on a few motorcycle camping trips in the past, and lines on good camping spots can really make a difference. I am really interested in MDMA, but I have to rule it out. I was pretty athletic before all of this, so my ticker should be able to handle everything, but my Mitral valve is not 100% at this point, so I am avoiding anything that really speeds the heart up; if not for anything else, to save on paranoia mid trip. But too bad, because I have been hearing wonderful, wonderful things about MDMA.

edit: What was the mind set like with NBOMe? I have heard some conflicting things. Some say it lacks the euphoria of LSD, and others say it's like the universe is giving you a big warm hug.

25I-NBOMe was fun for me, and would've been interesting with LSD. I was seeing fractals of colors and my carpet was moving and lots of tracers and trails behind moving objects. It was amazing to say the least.
Perhaps throw a little MDMA in there? Let me know if you stop in PA! We have a beautiful camping spot, with a nice view. We call it 'The Knob'

 

[Euphio]

For the most part I wouldn't recommend any of the research chemicals... They are often passed off as lsd, but in my opinion they feel entirely different. You trip, sure, but it never really had that magic for me.

If I was you, I'd try to get tons of the cleanest acid I could find. Also, buy a homemade whipcream maker (around 20 bucks at most cooking stores) then buy a shit ton of nitrous cartridges. Nitrous and acid are crazy together, and might help keep some of that magic for ya.

Though I haven't tried DMT yet, from what I've heard I'd agree with the poster who suggested it. It seems to be the end all be all psychedelic. Definitely worth a shot.

Ever heard of Aldous Huxley? Famous writer, wrote A Brave New World (among other fantastic works). Supposedly he was dying, I believe from cancer. He had his wife inject him with a ridiculous amount of LSD. Basically went comatose.. When he came to, all he asked for was another shot, and then tripped his way into oblivion. Sounds like an incredible way to go...

I'm very sorry to hear about your condition, but it is inspiring to hear you so accepting about it. If I was in your shoes, I can't say I would be quite as brave.

 

[Anon610]

Will do Anon, and thanks. I have been on a few motorcycle camping trips in the past, and lines on good camping spots can really make a difference. I am really interested in MDMA, but I have to rule it out. I was pretty athletic before all of this, so my ticker should be able to handle everything, but my Mitral valve is not 100% at this point, so I am avoiding anything that really speeds the heart up; if not for anything else, to save on paranoia mid trip. But too bad, because I have been hearing wonderful, wonderful things about MDMA.

Have you tried lower doses? It only raises my heart rate by 40 beats usually for the first 30-45 minutes than subsides 20 beats less. Then I'm very relaxed. You won't be in a party scene so I advise giving it a shot at low doses. Make sure its MDMA, and keep benzos or opiates around. (Perc 5s, Vicodin, etc.) These will calm you down a little if you think your heart rate is too high. All in all its a great drug. Ashame you can't do it. Maybe you'll change your mind, I don't think you'll regret it.

 

[cyberius]

LSD only? Not recommending anything, but I myself would do any chemical I could get my hands on in my dying weeks, and when the grim reaper comes, he's not catching me without a gram of MDMA in my system. 8)

Also, one thing on my bucket list is the godly and rare AMT. I've never heard of it around where I live, but before I go, I'm getting my hands on it.

 

[Obsidius]

as mentioned above, dissociatives also have a huge potential for "outter body" like experiences. i think you could go far within a ritualistic setting combining a strong and long lasting PEA (like 2-P) with K oder MXE.
LSD + MDMA + N20 will make the time stop... so if you need some extra minutes with you and the universe only... 3-MeO-PCP + MXE + 2C-D will give you a vision of your future birth. a kinda lookout of whats coming in this infinite cycles of fractal universes. i really believe in an endless cycle of everything. there is no "lights out" and "something but not you (earth EGO) sits in the dark. i altho also dont believe in reinkarnation. i believe the universe cycles like a sinewave endlessly. from big bang -> expanding (where we are now) - collapsing -> superblackhole -> big bang again.. and it does it endlessly. so the possibilities of a event (that you get created) are 100%, therefore we are here. also means "you" (or what ever you is, your conciouse core?) can come back in a different cycle.
on very deep and detached trips i felt a sense of paralell universes and that time is by far not linear. well mate.. give your last earth days some nice time and enjoy your further ride, i of course cannot promise anything but i am subjectivly SURE you will not end up in a black void of nothingness. it's gather be a ride from time to times from experienes to experiences, from lives to lives. dont be afraid of a superior entity (a god or something), because YOU are the superior entity.

trey the movie "enter the void" .. its a bit a mindfuck, but he is touching that thematic of endless life. also the wnderful move "the fountain" you might like.

when my time will come, i'll think of you, and probably act similar, cuz i'm nowhere near dying but lost fear of death years ago. now it's more the fear to loose my loved ones and kids more than myself.

give bill hicks a kiss from me please

 

[2002Tii]

Ayahuasca would be amazing if you're up for it, and I highly recommend trying a high dose of 2C-E

 

[Ismene]

No timber taking cid every day won't work - it won't even work the second day you take it. And the mushrooms won't work the day after acid either. You might get away with mushrooms every other day once, but after that you'll need to up the dose massively.

Good luck man.

 

[Flickering]

Keep in mind that whatever you take, and however often and with whatever frequency, you will be tripping while knowing that you're going to die soon. So don't expect these trips to have the same magical, happy vibe you were used to as a teenager. Every trip I've ever taken (been depressed for years) has ranged from dark to dark as Hell, and my own death is probably years away. I'm telling you this not to discourage you, but to direct you towards making it as cathartic as possible. I advise that you start with low doses. MAPS dedicates a section of their research to this.

As to when the magic wears off, that will probably depend on your own reaction to it more than anything.

Good luck, if I were in your position that's exactly what I'd be doing. I hope it's everything it's supposed to be and if there is anything on the other side, guess we'll all see you there one day or another. Like you say, life is a terminal condition, it's just a matter of the prognosis.