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kids running around naked: until what age is this exceptible?

My opinon is that people come over for a cup of coffee and a chat, not to be confronted by naked bums.
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I want to be confronted by bums;0

I think dressing children when you have guests is a good idea. People that are around alot would be a different matter. It's the polite route. It wouldn't offend me personally, but a lot of people would be bothered by it.
 
Chik. said:
^ I agree.

I am not a mother, but i can tell you that if i was there is no way id leave my child unclothed when there were people over. Its just .... wrong. I dont approve if it. Its not fair on the child.
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I don't think that it is right for parents to impose their own selfconciousness and social restrictions on children. Such conciousness develops over time, and it is childrens' freedom from this that is so beautiful.

Each child learns this at a different rate and it is hence impossible to propose an age which applies to all.

Moreover, social mores are bound to differ from country to country.

In a county like Australia, for example, where many children run about the beach or pools naked for large amount of summer, i think society's perspective on this would be substantially different to that in a cold country like England.


Environmental context is an important consideration.

-pip
 
Strawberry_lovemuffin said:
My opinon is that people come over for a cup of coffee and a chat, not to be confronted by naked bums.
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Holy crap! I read this and citations of this eight times before I realized we were using non-American slang.

All of this time I was picturing naked hobos wandering around SLM's apartment trying to sell bottled water and offering to wash your windows.
 
^^^ LOL!!! Yes those damn bums - it's a real problem. I wish they'd keep their rags on.

Beetlebot: I didn't mean to be abrasive or anything, I was drunk when I posted that and perhaps came across a little strongly ;) I think it's every parent's perogative to parent how they see fit (within certain boundaries), and there's certainly nothing wrong with nudity, especially little children's nudity which I think is cute and adorable.

However - like fairnymph said, it's not a matter of nudity per se, more a matter of politeness. Just as I would not let my kids run around with filthy faces or unbrushed hair, I don't think they should be undressed in front of company. Also some people *don't* like it, and I want people to feel comfortable in my house.

Appearances, I guess too. It CAN look as if you've just been too lazy to get the kids dressed..... it's all a little housing commission for my tastes :D

Pippin raises a good point about Australia though: kids running around in the backyard or splashing in a wading pool naked is pretty acceptable here. I suppose in situations like that it's okay. I see nothing wrong with a 2 year old playing naked in a sprinkler for a while, but I'd put his clothes on to sit and eat lunch.
 
SLM - i guess this represents the different view points....

I don't see a child's bottom as confronting. I see their lack of affected/learnt shyness as something thats incredibly special and of which we should, perhaps, be envious of in some small way.
 
You know, intellectually I understand that... and completely agree. I love that children are so honest, so free, so unaffected.

And yet I still feel how I feel about this issue. I can't explain it any better than I have..... maybe it's a product of *my* conditioning? :\

I don't think it's harmful to teach children some social boundaries though.... like the example of the mother telling her son that it's not acceptable to pull his penis out in a shopping centre. Unfortunately, we do have to live within the constructs of this society, and life can be very difficult and alienating for those who don't.....

I'm not much of a rebel, you might have noticed :)
 
^It's still nice to see some thoughtful responses. It says a lot these days when someone can shed their conditioning and look at an issue like this objectively - even for a second.
 
Only yesterday I was at a beach with my brother when we looked arround and found his 3 year old had removed his cosy and was running around with nothing on...........lol.......we had a laugh and let him go.........wasnt hurting anyone........well i dont think so.

Im not sure about the naked in front of guests though..........I think you need to show some respect for the guests.
 
SLM - i absolutely agree about the shopping centre thing... perhaps i didn't read closely enough coz i didn't see that.

MazDan - out of interest, where are you from? I think it is just interesting from a sociological point of view.
In australia its fairly common to see kids running around naked at the beach. And when my mother's friends who had children (my friends) came round to our house when i was little we all used to run around in the nuddy.... I used to get babysat with a boy who was one year younger than me and we used to have baths together... I'm trying to remember when it all stopped.... My second year of school maybe - age 5...
Although, i never ran around naked with friends from school...it was other children i'd known since i was a baby.
 
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Now the beach, or little children bathing together is a different matter to me. The setting is changed, and what is acceptable changes.

It's different when you have a guest in your living room, and your trying to have a converstation while the little one is running around nude.
 
Sort of like how it's ok to walk around with nothing but a pair of shorts at the beach, but you generally wouldn't answer your door with just your swimming trunks on.
 
SLM: That's cool. I have to say that some of the things people are saying in here is just giving me the giggles.

You have a good point about the housing comission thing too. But as long as a child is clean and well-kept, and not running around without supervision, then I don't see a problem with nudity. Especially if the kid is only three.

I'll seriously answer the question and say that I think in most cases the kid will naturally become more self-consious and will probably be choosing to wear clothes all the time by the time they are about seven. If they don't then it is probably time for a bit of gentle guidance then. Also, I think in Australia that law dictates that a child can't go naked in public after seven but I can't find a good place to check this.

I'm just really amused because I personally don't find nudity confronting at all. I'd probably happily visit a nudist's house and sit and drink tea with the whold nude family and it wouldn't bother me.

I wouldn't get nude myself though, I'm not that free and easy! :D
 
I was brought up in a very open household where my mum would sunbake topless, with only a g-string (thong) on. After a shower, it wasn't uncommon for my mum to be naked for a while, as she was walking between the bathroom and bedroom to get dressed. She didn't hide herself in the bathroom until she was fully clothed. My dad would walk around in his jocks and when they had friends over, all the women would sunbake topless together around the pool...with their husbands sitting around. It just wasn't a big deal. Of course, if i had friends over, my mum would cover up a little, as would my dad, as they realised that not all parents had the same beliefs regarding nudity, as they did. Mum and dad would also know that some of their friends may be confronted with their way of life, so knew that they would have to cover up whenever certain friends/relations would come to visit. We also live in a very warm climate (Queensland, Australia) which may have had something to do with it.

My parents had a very hard time getting me into clothes at all. Up until i was about 5, i would swim naked, and after that, you couldn't get me into a bikini top if you tried. Funny thing, though, was whenever my friends or relatives would come to swim, i'd put it on without being told. The reason for that, i guess, is that while my parents taught me that the human body is nothing to be ashamed of, it's only the next layer, after underwear, they also taught me that the society we live in has different ideas, and that i would have to use my common sense and learn what is appropriate/not appropriate.

I will definitely be passing these lessons and ideals onto my children. :)

Today, as a 27 year old woman, it is not uncommon for me to walk around my house naked, watch television naked, or at the very most, in my bra and underwear. I just don't see the need to be fully dressed every moment of the day. If there is a knock at the door, i'll get dressed, of course, but to me, there is no greater feeling of liberation than being completely naked. It took my husband a while to get used to it when we first moved in together, but now he loves it ;)

I have spoken at length to others about this, and the extreme difference in feelings regarding nudity amazes me. Some people feel vunerable, exposed, when naked...not me. I believe that this can be due to upbringing. Some children are taught that being naked is bad in all cases, which can lead to them feeling ashamed of their bodies. It's all about balance.

** The weird thing is, that my nonna (my maternal grandmother) was a devout Catholic, and, as you can imagine, very prudish. Nudity was bad. So I guess it goes to show that it's not always about upbringing, as my mum is the most open, free-spirited woman you could ever meet. (but i'm biased ;)) Go figure!


:)
 
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Pippin said:
SLM - i absolutely agree about the shopping centre thing... perhaps i didn't read closely enough coz i didn't see that.

MazDan - out of interest, where are you from? I think it is just interesting from a sociological point of view.
In australia its fairly common to see kids running around naked at the beach. And when my mother's friends who had children (my friends) came round to our house when i was little we all used to run around in the nuddy.... I used to get babysat with a boy who was one year younger than me and we used to have baths together... I'm trying to remember when it all stopped.... My second year of school maybe - age 5...
Although, i never ran around naked with friends from school...it was other children i'd known since i was a baby.
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I live in Sydney, but must admit that i rarely go to the beach.......this one happenned to be down the coast at a very quiet secluded beach where i was staying for the weekend.


Samadhi..........agree with everything you have written...............and I would be the same if and when I have kids.

But I would still respect my guests...........now if the guests were very close and I knew wouldnt have a problem or were the same.......then No probs...........but if I didnt no or thopught they may not like it then.........different story.
 
^^ actually i think im being an idiot. Chronic Fatigue has stolen my brain...
didn't i meet you at terrible tuesdays...or whatver they're called...
terrific tuesdays

It's interesting that there is a different way of looking at the whole beach thing within sydney...
i guess ive grown up by the beach and sailing so i just assumed everyone was cool with the typical culture of having kids run around the beach naked

you know what i think is really sad....ive recently seen all these little girls wearing 2 part swimming costumes... when girls are little they have no more to cover up than boys so why give your child a complex before she needs one.
when i was little i had 2pcs but i only wore the bottoms.
 
It would honestly make me a lil bit uncomfortable. I would say anything over three years would be innapropriate. I don't care that much..but if it was my kid I wouldn't want them like that when people were over. Just seems sorta un-civilized. :\
 
I think as long as the child is comfortable, and any friends/guests/people associated with its parents are comfortable, clothes are optional.

My 18 month old daughter LOVES being naked. And there are photos of me being naked right up to (well, the present.. but before then, until) I was about 5, at family friends' houses. Apparently I was quite wont to just take my clothes off without warning, and daughter seems to be much the same.

I am more wary after the child porn stuff that's been going on here. But at home, or anywhere private, she can be naked as long as everyone is comfortable.
 
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