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Kicking Heroin with suboxone

Suboxone Detox:
Days 6+7​

Yesterday I got by with 1.5 mg and today on my 1 week Clean Anniversary I have tapered to 1mg and will go the day with it! Thanks to all of you who supported me through this and guided me in the right direction, I have gone from 2 bags of dope (my last night doing it) to 1mg of Suboxone in a week! The process has been virtually painless and smooth so far. Tomorrow I plan on dosing .5 and the next possibly even without it :D
 
Good luck...Jew Ball is right about one thing though; it may be a good idea to try to alter your life. Maybe getting (more) excersise, seeing a shrink or whatever. I don't really like or believe much in NA either, all though I must admit that all I know about them are from second hand experiences and Wikipedia.

Jew Balls > If you really want to recruit people to NA, maybe you should approach people in a less hostile manner? Nobody really wants to listen to a self-righteous ex-junky.

Best of luck, Sunlight Remixed!

-Psyko
 
Ya know, I was being a bit harsh, but only to try and get the kid to realise that simply ridding yourself of physical dependence isnt the best idea. Ive just been trying to get the point acrost that If you continue doing other drugs all the time and dont change the way you do things, it will only be a short matter of time until your addiction is surfaced again. People seem to forget alot (or just disagree with the fact) that addiction is the disease, heroin is the symptom.

psyko, I wasnt trying to recruit people to NA, simply trying to help a kid with his addiction, I have long since my NA posts realised that sunshine doesnt want to work on his addiction. He just wants to no longer be physically dependent on heroin. I wish he would try to work on his addiction though. Maybe then he would cut his aggressive behavior out a bit and be able to not focus on only the negative pieces of my posts. Hopefully this time when I congratulate him for his progress he wont shoot back a childish remark of hatred at me.

Sunlight, congratulations on your progress, keep it up, and whatever you do, dont take any opiates or you are asking for trouble.
 
Jew Balls > I haven't read every single post in this thread but it seems to me that you've been quite aggressive yourself. Also you seem to be one of those I-know-better-than-thou type of people who are simply annoying. For example you say that addiction is a disease like it's an indisputable fact.

I agree that one has to change his life if he's really determined to quit.
I don't think however that NA is the answer for everyone. Their overt religiousness annoys atheists like myself and I've seen people enter the NA just to quit again. Without determination and willpower any attempt to quit will fail. If you're the kind of person that doesn't like group meetings then there might be other places for you to go, i.e. a shrink.

Also I think it's important to distinguish between mono- og polydrugusers. I used to be a polydruguser and at some point I had a problem with cocaine. When I found heroin I converted and ever since I've had a dislike for cocaine. Therefore I claim that I can take cocaine (and other drugs) without relapsing into addiction. I agree that if you keep the whole lifestyle of drugs you're not going to get out of it but that's not the same as saying that you can never have a drink or do a line of cocaine again (if opiods is the problem and you're a monodruguser.)

-Psyko
 
I wouldnt consider my responses aggressive, I do believe I have stood for my beliefs quite a bit too firmly. My second post (wich is what this whole dispute has been about kind of) Was very harsh looking back, but I believe much of this has been comunications errors more than anything else. In my second post I left out a very key point. I did not mean to say the person was doomed to addiction, I meant if they simply take drugs to taper off of drugs then it would be verry likely for them to still have a problem in the future.

I didnt mean to seem like I was forcing someone to go to NA. I was trying to stress the fact that a support group who you can use to make new friends who arent users is a verry important part of recovery from addiction. I didnt mean to seem so hardcore about joining NA, I simply wanted the OP to realise that once you stop taking your drug of choice, life cant just return to normal. It is my belief that if you remove heroin, go back to how you were before getting hooked on heroin, then you will most likely take the same course of action in dealing with your life that led you to getting addicted in the first place.

On another note, I am intrigued by people who havent been to an NA meeting and claim they are not the NA type. I have been to quite a bit of different NA meetings and the only thing I found in common with any of the members was the fact that they are trying to recover from an addiction. I didnt mean to sound like an asshole by asking about why the OP didnt think he was an NA person, I was simply interested in how much he knows about it and why he would feel he wouldnt like it.

I originally thought NA was trying to push me into believing in the christian GOD as many people wrongly assume. They simply try to get you to believe in sometihng more than yourself. My higher power has often switched between two gods. The first one stands for Group Of Druggies, the other GOD i sometimes choose to believe in is "Greater of Decisions" Sometimes my higher power is a fucking acorn that has fallen out of a tree. Your "GOD" in NA, can be anything that you understand to be greater than yourself.

I dont want to seem like I am an NA pusher, but I dont believe bluelight is as good a support group as someone who wants to get off dope can find.

Once again I must apologize for my harsh tone in some of my earlier posts, but I assure you, if I were speaking in person rather than behind a box accross wires these responses would have been comunicated much better and lacked the negativity that they seem to have had.

(sorry if todays post seems a bit cookey, I have been up all night working on music and am trying to stay up till a decent bed time in order to get on a decent sleep schedule)
 
Jew Balls > You're starting to make a lot more sense now and I don't think your recent post is cocky at all.

I agree that it's important to have friends who don't use or at least don't use the same kinds of drugs that you were in to. I'm fairly lucky because I was always the one to suggest taking drugs, none of my friends would take heroin without me being present. Also I preferred to use alone so seeing my friends is to me the direct opposite of using.

I know that NA doesn't force you to believe in the Christian God but to me any kind of religious or spiritual believe is unappealing. Furthermore I don't think the danish strand of NA has the same clientele as the American.
In Denmark mostly hardcore junkies who are all above 25 years old (I'm 20) go to NA meetings because people who don't use opiods and are less than 25 years old can get into social-pedagogical treatment (for free, since it's heavily subsidized). It's not that I detest people who are more addicted and older than me I just have problems relating to their situation.

I think Bluelight is good at providing practical information and little else. The hard work lies with the person addicted. How long have you been off? And what do you do when the cravings set in?
 
cooky not cocky (as in crazy)

These are the same things I was trying to comunicate before, Only worded more directly. In my other posts (the ones where I was giving info instead of defending myself) I was trying to stimulate some thoughts by the OP rather than directly tell him the exact thoughts. I have learned in MY experiences it is much harder to get the point if someone is simply telling you something rather than getting me to realise the point. (like in math, you dont memorize the formula only, you work out some example equations to get it locked in your head). In the future I will try to only give the points verbatim as I think them to avoid any more of these gross misunderstandings. (I mean that as in large, not in a mean way)
 
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How you doing sunlight?

Dont fuck up now, youve made it quite far in quite a short amount of time. The time period after you stop taking the suboxone is the roughest time of all (besides for when your still on dope strugling to score, but your over that part)

This is the time period where exercise, supportive people, hugs, and a good diet are ABSOLUTLY vital.

If you are feeling down at all talk to someone, go for a jog, eat a nice light meal. Do anything but sit in bed all day (Im not assuming this is what you are doing, but I am telling you thats what most feel like doing at this stage, but it is important not to)

Whatever you do, DONT give in to any opiates / opioids, and if you cant take it and must redose some suboxone, take less than you tok the last time you took it.
 
Congrats on kicking the dope man. Remember one thing though: Physical addiction goes away with time. Psychological addiction stays with you forever (Until you decide to work on getting rid of it).
 
JeW BaLLs said:
cooky not cocky (as in crazy)

These are the same things I was trying to comunicate before, Only worded more directly. In my other posts (the ones where I was giving info instead of defending myself) I was trying to stimulate some thoughts by the OP rather than directly tell him the exact thoughts. I have learned in MY experiences it is much harder to get the point if someone is simply telling you something rather than getting me to realise the point. (like in math, you dont memorize the formula only, you work out some example equations to get it locked in your head). In the future I will try to only give the points verbatim as I think them to avoid any more of these gross misunderstandings. (I mean that as in large, not in a mean way)
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I also could have gone more in depth with my reasoning as to why I disagreed with some things you were saying, but the negative vibe I was receiving from some of your posts was increasing my apathy towards doing so.

Suboxone Detox:Complete​
I am no longer on Heroin and I am no longer taking suboxone daily. With the extra I have, Some I Will hold on to for at least a few weeks to a month, just for those days when I won't get out of bed (the maximum I would dose in the future would be a .5, and only in very nessecary situations. I am looking foward to a dope free life and have already turned down the oppurtunity to do painkillers a few times. I'm not hanging out with anyone who does dope or would have to do it in front of me, and will not surround myself with people still struggling until I am fully capable of attempting to help them. I Plan on trying to speak to the bupe doctor near me to see if she will give someone I refer who seriously want's to quit the chance to do so. This way they will have professional assistance, as well as my own friendship + experience and all of the knowledge you wonderful people have passed to me. I have to thank you all once again, without this thread and the replys and the initiative it all gave me...who knows, things could have been different. Anyway, I will see all of you around the boards!
 
Congrats.

Beware of hidden evils down the road.

There may come a time when you feel it has been long enough and that you can take (insert opiate in circulation) and not have to worry about anything. I can only say it would be verry unwise to do so.

I wish you luck on your journey, try not to get lost.
 
Psyko:

I have been off for close to 2 months. Im still on suboxone (to get my life in gear again) but I didnt JUST quit opiates. I was using pretty much every drug out there except for crack (and some of the newer RCs). To deal with cravings I read, write music, DJ, watch a movie, play with my little brother, ask for strength, call someone from NA, think about being dopesick, remember how dumb all my using friends are, or smoke 2 cigarettes in a row if its really bad.
 
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