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Kicking Heroin with suboxone

sunlight remixed, whats up man for some reason my comp isnt letting me PM you. IM me online my sn is UnsungZeros789.
 
I'm getting high off of this or off of life or off of adderall trees xanax or something but I am feeling good. And I think it's a good thing

Your over medicating on the bupe if you are feeling its effects plain and simple, if your using bupe to kick your other opiate habit and your catching a buzz from your medicine thats supposed to help you detox your taking to much which can come back to haunt you. I will repeat it for a 2nd or 3rd time bupe is extremely potent even in small doses, when you kick the bupe you want the doses low as possible. After you stop the bupe you are still going to have to deal with the w/d and taking the smallest amount possible now is going to help you 1-2 weeks down the road.

Unless you decide to take bupe for maintenence and stabilize your life before detoxing off the detox meds, ha.

Try taking .5mg insufflated doses only enough to stifle the body's physical w/d from switch from pure agonist opiates to a partial antagonist opiate [bupe]. You dont want to be getting high, buzzed of the bupe as its defeating its main purpose. Trust me this med holds very well at remarkably small doses.
 
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dont worry blah, he knows himself, and he knows what hes doing, as he has so kindly mentioned in his previous posts.

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
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I hope so...

Sunlight - Mixed -

What is your time table with the bupe, you had what 6-10 pill or what not. How many days do you plan on taking your bupe for? I assume you will save 1-2 8mg'ers for back up. So what milligram do plan on hopping of the bupe at? I wouldnt advise anything more than 0.5-0.25mg's I can tell you right now if your catching a buzz from this and you stop taking the bupe you will be sick, regardless if you even dont catch a buzz you will be sick.

What are you planing for your post-bupe detox? Any meds or support groups? Just trying to let you know it wont be completely painless you will feel like shit after stopping the bupe. This can be prevented by tapering slowly and IMO correctly

day 1: 8mg's [to test the waters and see what kinda dosage you need]
day 2: I think you said you used 5mg's [and still feeling some effects]
day 3: 2mg's [bid] once in the morning once at night
day 4: 'same'
day 5: 2mg's in the morning and 1mg in the evening
day 6: 'same' - try going without the evening dose or cut down one of the doses
day 7: 1mg [bid] once in the morning and once at night
day 8: 'same' - try to stabilize on dosage while trying to lessen the evening dose
day 9: 'same' - still try to stabilize on the dosage [1mg in the morn. & hopefully 0.5mg in the evening]
day 10: 1mg in the morning
day 11: 0.75-0.5mg in the morning
day 12: 0.5mgs should be stabile at that dosage
day 13: dont take any bupe untill you feel w/d than take a minimum amount 0.25-0.5mg
day 14: skip a day no dosing / dose on benzos
day 15: dose .25mg
day 16: skip a day no dosing /dose on benzos
day 17: try to jump off right here, hit the benzos and sleepers [you will want to have some extra bupe at this point]
day 18-20: Valium, etc. Maybe a pinch .25mg of bupe when your feeling very bad.
day 20-30: work on getting sleep back to normal

I dont know how long your planing on taking bupe for but an abrupt stop is not good taper down as low as you can go. Stabilize on that dosage and than start trying to skip days or go as long as possible with out hitting the bupe. I always think its good to break-up your daily doses ahead of time and prepackage them as it makes going over your alloted amount alot harder. Ill say it again when you get down to the 1-.25mg dosing insufflating will come in hand greatly. Thats a ok taper I have posted you might want to stabilize on doses for a bit longer but your just delaying the inevitable. The dose and than skip a day makes the tail end of the taper ALOT easier to hop off with less negative w/d feeling from the bupe [which there will be]. Hopefully you can medicate those symptoms with benzos, muscle relaxers, and sleepers. Also maybe an out-patient program or at least some meeting or have someone to talk to.

Hope it all works out for you.
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Suboxone Detox:
Day 3

Yesterday I dosed 2mg for pretty much the whole day. Even after all of the sleep I got yesterday the bupe with the xanax must be KO'ing me early. I passed out around 6 PM which is again ridiculously early for me. I woke up at 12 and dosed again to sleep well. I plan on dosing another 2mg morning and night as you suggested blah. If I can go without it I will go without it. I have had no urge/craving to do heroin in any way so far. I will probably taper day 5 down to 2mg day 6 either 1 or 2, and day 7 try .5-1. The only uncomfortable feelings I had yesterday were fatigue. Oddly enough this knocks me out more than dope ever did. I am passing my halfway point on my immediate goal which is 7 days clean. It is not difficult as much as it is tiring combined with xanax, pot, school, and work. But I will make it, I have no other choice. lyserg I will IM you soon and thank you Canis aureus. Jew, you are accurate in saying that I should not underestimate the sub, but you're confusing addiction with honesty there. Also I am totally unaware of the concept of sarcasm thus leaving your posts immune to my understanding.
 
its possible you might be mistaking honesty with denial too.

Im just concerned that you dont care that you are getting high on the sub. That isnt a good thought to have when you are trying to kick opiates.

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
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JeW BaLLs said:
its possible you might be mistaking honesty with denial too.

Im just concerned that you dont care that you are getting high on the sub. That isnt a good thought to have when you are trying to kick opiates.

I don't care that I was getting high off the sub because what am I going to do? Yell at the suboxone for getting me high? With the higher doses it was bound to do something, especially for my first times taking it. Now if I had said FUCK THIS TAPER MAN IM GOIN ON SUBOXONE FOR LIFE WOOOO! that would be a different story, but what do you want me to say? "Yeah I'm getting high off the suboxone...it sucks man, I wish I was sober, fuck this i'm not taking anymore."

Also, why haven't I heard your bupe detox story yet? How long were you on heroin, how many bags were you doing, and exactly how did you get yourself off of it?
 
I wish you would say something along the lines of " I was a dumbass for thinking I knew what i was doing when i didnt, Im gonna take around .75mg and wait an hour to see how I feel. If im still withdrawling I will take a little more and wait another hour to see how I feel."

Not "But I don't care, it's cool and I'll
probbaly taper myself off with some extras to have"

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
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There we go, I'm glad you decided to finally throw that in at the end. Now thank you for sharing your infinite knowledge with all of us Jew balls, now I can safely say
Please do not post in this thread anymore Jew Balls. Your credulous, judgemental, shoddy posts almost contributed something positive when you decided to play "I know what the fuck I'm talking about". But when your ignorance has been exposed you strip yourself down to nothing but an asshole who tried to walk around with a false air of authority over your head. And what nerve you must have trying to tell me that I am the inexperienced one when the reality of the situation is I have been more experienced on the topic from day one. And the next time when you see a post with "Help" in the subject line...do not mistake it for "Come in and act like a senseless dick". Oh, and thank you for the spell check, I forgot to edit the "Mosey on in here, act like a senseless dick, and correct my spelling errors while trying to ruin my hopes of getting off Heroin" out of the subject line.
 
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I was only doing dope to maintain myself when I could get no pharmaceutical opiates. I had a habbit of 300mg of hydrocodone a day, or 200mg of OC a day, and the few times I had to rely on dope it was about 2 bags a day. all of these doses are maintenance, not getting high, just avoiding withdrawals. This is because by the time I was this bad off I was done trying to get high.
I tried to taper down with street bupe atleast 6 times. It never worked because I would simply run out before I had tapered to a low enough dose. I had been doing this for about a year and a half. I never tapered lower than 2mgs. There were times where I thought I was in the clear, only to find out five days later I most certainly was not.

After New years eve I had done my last 400mg of oxy and was begginning to withdrawal as I walked into my parents bedroom ( I am 20 years old, just finished college) and confessed "I have a problem with prescription pain pills, at first it was fun but eventually I realised I cant stop. I have tried to quit so many times and its just out of my control. Please help me get help.

The next morning I was driven to a dual diagnosis treatment center hours away from my house. I was checked in for polysubstance addiction and depression, for 2 weeks. Everyday I woke up at 7 went to breakfast, went to group therapy sessions all throughout the day. Went to one on one therapy sessions a few times a day.

By the time I got to see a doctor I was already on day 4 of withdrawal, no sleep for the previous 3 days. The doctor gave me seroquel to get some sleep, I did not sleep, I halucinated, while still in painful full on withdrawal. A few hours later (about 9 at night) the doctor gave me suboxone and monitored my vitals for the next hour. That night I finally got some sleep. (after over 100 hours no sleep)

Treatment continued for two weeks.

When I got out of treatment I was stailized on 20mg a day of suboxone spread evenly throughout the day. I have in the month that I have been out of treatment only managed to lower my dose by 4 miligrams. I go to NA meetings multiple times a week, I see a psycologist once a week to work on ME. I no longer associate with my older friends, all we did was drugs. All day, everyday.

Just so you understand exactly what I have been going through in the last month let me explain some things to you. I started smoking pot when I was 12, it imediatly became an everyday thing. By the time I was in 9th grade I was a pill popper, every day either benzos or opiates, and sometimes mystery pills that looking back on it, I know I was retarted, I was never "Addicted" to any of these pills at this time. by the midle of the first quarter of this 9th grade school year I was doing extasy every friday, Acid every saturday, and weed, benzos and opiates and alcohol every sunday. Throughout the school week I would stay high on pills and weed, skipping classes because I was "too fucked up" to not get caught if i were to attend class. By my 10th grade year I was slowed down on the pills and acid, still doing E every weekend, and instead of just smoking pot everyday, I was also selling it. I would sell a pound a week by sneaking out of my bedroom window and running down the road to meet people. Sometimes I would go 5 or 6 times just while my parents were preparing dinner. They never knew anything. My 11th and 12th grade years I slowed down to where I was mainly just smoking weed and doing psychadelics. I was still just as fascinated by drugs though. I forgot to mention that ever since I was in 9th grade I had been filling my head with knowledge on drugs, That was my hobby, all the other hobbies I stopped doing because they werent as "good" as drugs. I got in trouble with the law over some pills I was seling when i was 17 and had to stop smoking pot for 3 months, voila, I was now doing cocaine every weekend, and sometimes every other day.

By the time I went to college I cut everything down to just smoking weed all the time and only on the weekends would i do the "Crazy drugz" that were so much my way of life. By the third month in college I had found a source for lortabs and methodone. I also had a friend back home in a methodone program who had already earned takehomes. Eventualy I had bought out my college dealer and bought a bottle or two of 150mg liquid methodone from my friend back home, every week or two. This led to every day use for about a year and a half, sometimes taking two methodone wafers at a time and barely catching a buzz. The methodone guy stopped selling and it was find a new source or die time (in my mind). All I could find was OC. Within a short amount of time I was up to my 200mg a day (usually all taken at once) habbit not getting high. Trying to taper down everytime I stocked up. It never worked. I got out of college and moved back home right before the hollidays. I got a check for 6hundred dollars from my school for extra scholarship money I was awarded. This was spent in a week. I ran out, I was borrowing money from more people than I can remember to not withdrawal. I decided I would tell my parents about my "opiate problem" after new years.

Whew, that was long.

Anyways I have found the only thing that works for me is a DRASTIC change of lifestyle. I dont smoke pot, I dont drink, no more whippets, no more E. No more of anything that makes me feel good simply by taking it. As I said above I am going to NA multiple times a week, talking with a counsilor about MY issues, removing all my using friends from the picture, getting a job. All of this while staying on suboxone maintenance until it is all sorted out and well taken care of. I have not gotten anywhere near as low a dose of suboxone as you are working with and I envy you for that. But at the same time when my habbit was smaller I had kicked a very fast taper, went through a week of hell. Thought I was finally through with it. Ended up addicted again within less than a month. My story isnt one about what works. It is about what doesnt work. I hope you dont make the same stupid mistakes that I made when I was like you.

I love doing drugs, I love it to fucking death, It is all that the last 8 years of my life was, but I cant do them anymore. It is insanity to think that the same behavior that got you addicted, repeated, will have a different outcome. That is why I have to change EVERYTHING. The only thing I refuse to give up is my DJing and music skills. Everything else is already gone or on its way gone. When I taper off of that last milligram and finally get to be truly drug free, that will be the happiest day of my life. Because I will have already metamorphosed my old life into my new life, and will be ready to not pickup, as i shed from my cocoon.

P.S. I really wish I would have taken more time to write this, it probably sounds rediculously absent without every little detail, but even if I took enough time to do it, I still couldnt possibly remember every detail of my old life, and I dont want to either.

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
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No need for the agression. I dont even understand where you are coming from, what is so shady and asshole about my post? Im simply being honest with you, the fact that you dont apreciate it is not my fault.

And could you please enlighten me on my ignorance that was exposed? I would love to change that about me, but I simply cant figure out WHAT THE FUCK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.


Seriously man, im not trying to be an asshole here, I am simply pointing out some things that I think could use improvement, no need for the assualt.

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
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JeW BaLLs said:
But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
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is what the fuck I was talking about fyi. Now i'll take the time to respond to the above
 
When I had stated in an earlier post that "It sounds like you are talking about your own issues here" it seems I was correct. Not to be a dick here, but you really should not be giving out the same advice that failed for you. Your story is a bit different from mine, I spent the first 16 years of my life in a miserable depression with my mother as my worst enemy. This is how I understand my own psyche because I had to find a way to be happy through all of the fucked up things I've dealt with in my life. I'm not going to go into detail about them because my problem wasn't with my depression or psychological issues it was with my physical dependence on heroin. Your posts pissed me off because I picked up on the hint of resentment which seemed to be the only "logical" reasoning for someone to keep being so negative. In the future, animosity isn't going to solve your problem or my problem. Maybe you should xpost your story into another thread or something? I know if I were posting in a "get jewballs clean" thread I would be trying my best to understand your situation and offering any advice I could. Now if I were to not make it through this (which I will), I wouldn't be telling you to follow in the footsteps that didn't work for me. But when I do make it, I will offer you suggestions based on my sucess and if they're not for you I won't post things like
JeW BaLLs said:
I see you in the future being a member of this board, still hoooked on dope, still trying to "beat the system". Untill you are willing to do whatever it takes to get off dope, you will still be on dope.
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^-------it's assuring when you have to edit your post 3 times to sound like less of an asshole.

Suboxone Detox:
Days 4 & 5

Sorry for the lack of updates guys, Jew Balls' behavior kind of deters me from bluelighting. Day 4 I dosed 2mg in the morning and 1 mg at night. That worked well for me. Day 5 I dosed only 1mg in the morning and 1 mg at night. Today I am working on 1 mg and we will see how that goes. If anything i'll dose .5 to sleep tonight. Edit: Also I have absolutely no urges or cravings to do dope. Thoughts of painkillers make me sick to tell you the truth. I am regaining more and more control over my life and thoughts, better things are happening to me...I'm getting shit done. And for the first time in a while I've saved over $200. I'll update tomorrow.
 
I've got plenty of benzos, at least 20 mg of bupe, adderall, pot, and hash. I must thank all of the help most of you gave me through this. I will never forget you bluelighters, and to make sure of that I'll be sticking around. :D
 
just to add my little note, ive quit countless times most recently with bupe, i always lasted at least a week but never made it past 3. (iv close to a g of quality h a day and however much cocaine i had or could get)
 
hbfreekwan said:
just to add my little note, ive quit countless times most recently with bupe, i always lasted at least a week but never made it past 3. (iv close to a g of quality h a day and however much cocaine i had or could get)

I'd reccomend to not go through with quitting countless times until you actually want to and are comitted to kicking it. Try to think of what triggers your usual point of relapse. And try to be as safe as you can brother. I'm not going to preach because plenty of IV users are great people and also have helped me through my problem ...but don't IV stuff man! :( It just makes me sad that's all...I'm sure the high is unmatchable but just be careful mang.
 
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