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Kicking Heroin with suboxone

it sounds like one of jew balls posts was a little insensitive and passed unsupported judgements on you. However, i can tell he's speaking from experience, and it might just be tough love that gets you out of this terrible habit. His intentions are very good, but that second post is too assumptive. How can you acurately predict how strong his will power is from a few paragraphs of text?

Anyway, i've never used Heroin, so i'm a little out of my element here. I am hoping that in the fullness of time i can become a drug aficionardo and expert, so i'm spending considerable time reading posts containing information i know little about.

But i truely wish you the best of luck. Speaking from the position of someone who has been through truely harrowing cannabis psychosis, and i know it's a world apart from heroin, i will offer you this advice. This is what i learned after i finally managed to quit, and stopped relapsing...

Try to develop new activities in your life that will take your mind off the dope, find new ways to enjoy yourself, whatever takes your fancy and suits who you are.

Try to reach the point where you genuinely have no desire to use the drug whatsoever, not even the slightest inclination. Because if you show even a little weakness, that will plague your mind until you relapse. Just keep focusing on all the problems the drug has caused, and all the consequences of another relapse.

Definitely find new friends who enjoy other activities, possibly other drugs, however don't replace one form of escapism for another. I know someone is doing to rail me for suggesting you just replace one drug with another, but sometimes another type of high, if used responsibly, following extensive reseach, and in moderation, can help you forget the original high. Personally, i found another ecstacy dealer, and haven't looked back since. Now i know this is going to be very hard, given how intensely euphoric heroin makes you feel, but maybe a totally different type of high, one which can't even be compared would be healthy. Perhaps move back into the realm of psychadelics? I have made enormous personal progress with these.

Finally, and most importantly, face your biggest problems, analyze yourself and work out what is is that pushed you towards opiates in the first place, why you feel you need to escape reality.

Again, hope this helps, best of luck, stay strong, stay positive
 
^dancan, most all people on here are just trying to help out and smack (no pun intended) some reality into each other's heads. i appreciate your respect and input as well.
By the way (btw) welcome to Bluelight.

Dancan said:
Anyway, i've never used Heroin, so i'm a little out of my element here. I am hoping that in the fullness of time i can become a drug aficionardo and expert, so i'm spending considerable time reading posts containing information i know little about.
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dude, again though..a word of warning. All the research in the world is jack shit when you are in the midst of the actual experience. You know? There's no way in hell you will be able to predict how much you will end up liking something until you actually do it. and the real test is after you've done it many times (assuming you really like a certain substance) and can end up putting it down and only using it in moderation.
You come across as a well rounded individual though, and i realize you are taking everything possible into consideration. ...being that, take this into consideration as well.
Be safe, have fun.
Peace
 
get out while ur ahead before the monkey has its chains on your ass and then u CANT stop without getting beat up for weeks by the gorilla
 
Suboxone Detox:
Day 1
Alright, I wound up taking it around 1 when I posted. I forgot that my 12:30 had been cancelled so id didn't have to go to class until 1:30 for my 2:00. I took my first half when I posted that and it made a lot of saliva in my mouth and a lot got swallowed. The second half i held down and didn't let a lot form until it was gone. I got some rapid withdrawls from the minimal amounts of heroin still in my blood or possibly in my nose in the morning from the night before who knows. They sucked and made me feel like I had the flu, it helped to eat and increase my metabolism. The adderall and xanax I had helped along and by 4 I was feeling better, and pretty sedated. This stuff along with the adderall and xanax and tree and hash isn't too bad. I don't know how much I definetly got in me, but the last 4 definetly did, either way I am feeling good. I noticed the "high" feeling I am getting from the suboxones is more of a natural high, just because I am very happy to be off heroin so I feel like I will be able to have an awesome day tomorrow. I took off from work today and I have off tomorrow. Does anybody suggest I take a 2 mg now or before I go to sleep? I'm planning on going down to 6 tomorrow morning anyway. Now I will respond do your posts.​

eddy1514 : I drank something and ate a cookie or two before taking it the first time. After taking the second I waited about 15 minutes before eating or drinking. And i totally swallowed a lot of the 4mg/saliva mess :p What kind of effect does that have?

Canis aureus: Thank you man! With a lot more people wishing me luck it is harder to let you all down and it motivates me. I'm sure you're a good soul yourself although I don't know you :D

blahblahblahblah:Can I really snort it? And is it truely a more efficient method? Because I would love it if that is factual.

Dancan: Thanks for the advice mang. I do all kinds of drugs but never again will I allow myself to become dependant on one. I am glad to have heroin out of my life and I never spent too much time around many people but myself while in the worst stages of it. Only a few friends I know do dope and I won't allow myself to be around them while they're blowing it.

DexterMeth: True

ophizzle: Amen.

Anyway, someone get back to me on the taking 2 mgs before i go to bed :D
Peace and goodnight everyone.
 
^ I would refrain from taking anymore. I have experienced this (and it isn't fullblown WDs setting in, so relax) and you just have to ride the wave. Give it an hour or two for the subuxone to kick in and save the remainder you have for whatever plan you have chosen.

By the way, for the adverse reaction of instant WDs kicking in, IME, one most take a heavy dose of H (or equiv pharm) and take the subuxone within the next 6 hours or less....however, I wouldn't gamble with this number and instead keep it to at least a 12+ hour (hanging on the +++ hour part of that).

Good luck!

swybs
 
oh, btw, I wouldn't even dose 6 tomorrow, try 2mg...you would be surprised how long these stay in one's system, and with bupe, why waste what you have. Try 2mg when minor WD symptoms start to show their face (yawning, teary eyes, minor stomach discomfort), and try to break 1mg off for 1-2 hours before bedtime....with your habit, nothing more than 4mg in 24 hours is necessary.

swybs
 
awesome :D Maybe I will choose to stick to only 2 mg doses at times, build it up some days and taper down or some type of plan like that. Thanks swybs!
 
i'm really happy that you've got a plan to get yourself clean, but i feel like i have to mention something here about suboxone, especially since your habit wasn't that big...
i didn't realize before that suboxone, that "natural high" you said you got from it too, can be addicting and cause problems. in light of that i think you should really follow everyone's advice on here and take the smallest amount of suboxone possible, more so because you said you enjoyed that "high".
(sorry if that comes off negatively, i only wanted to warn you and i wish you the best of luck)
 
No I didn't take that negatively, I meant more of when I said the natural high that my happiness was partly due to me being off of heroin. I'm taking everyones advice into consideration here and I can't stop thanking you all.
 
Definetly snort them, it increases the amount that gets into your system and works quicker, lasting pretty much the same as sublingual dosing. If your catching a buzz off them, shit I dont know, take alot less. Bupe is a very strong drug and works very well in small doses.

I had a feeling you were going to get sick as you took your dose to early. 8mg seemed to hold you pretty well except for the w/d you felt for taking it to early.

Try out 2mg snorted, wait untill you start to feel sick. See how long it takes, bupe lasts along time in your system. So when you wake-up [crazy you can sleep with w/d's with bupe eh'] if your not sick dont take it wait untill you feel the begining w/d symptoms that your body shows. For me its a runny nose, anxiety, than the muscle aches start, than I never go that far, ha.

2mg snorted, it hits much quicker and is the most effecient way to take bupe especially in small doses. I have been on this drug for almost 3.5 yrs. I know the ins-and-outs of it pretty well, ask any questions you have.

So tomorrow 2mg's snorted, if your not feeling well in hour - two hours after that snort another 2mg's. This way you will get the most out of the bupe while concerving your pills too.

Good luck
 
It would be best not to dose at all unless you need to, when you need to, use the minimal amount that will delay your withdrawal symptoms. Any unnesesary dose is a step backwards IMO. Backwards steps arent advisable.

I would advise against snorting your bupe. The reason I say this is because that is the same way you did your dope, it is repeating addictive behaviors of yours.

However if you do decide to snort your bupe, make sure you snort it correctly. Dont snort it the way dope is snorted. Snort smal amounts at a time and try to get it into your nasal membranes but not into your throat or worse, lungs. If you get a drip, your sniffing it to far. If you are confused about this use the search engine, I am fairly confident I once found a thread about this.

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
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It would be best not to dose at all unless you need to, when you need to, use the minimal amount that will delay your withdrawal symptoms. Any unnesesary dose is a step backwards IMO. Backwards steps arent advisable.

I would advise against snorting your bupe. The reason I say this is because that is the same way you did your dope, it is repeating addictive behaviors of yours.

However if you do decide to snort your bupe, make sure you snort it correctly. Dont snort it the way dope is snorted. Snort smal amounts at a time and try to get it into your nasal membranes but not into your throat or worse, lungs. If you get a drip, your sniffing it to far. If you are confused about this use the search engine, I am fairly confident I once found a thread about this.
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I can most certainly say I agree with you on a few levels here. I was questioning that to myself as well. I am going to snort 2mgs and I don't think I will continue to dose that way because of the fact that it is the same route I used for the dope. I also think I will try to dose only in 2mg increments. The fact that suboxone stays in your system for a while will help me a lot on that part. As with the method of snorting, I noticed early on with heroin that you should try to keep as much as possible in your nasal cavity to assure most is absorbed, so I usually snifed it correctly. I don't mean to subvert your input blahblah but our friend, the balls may be onto something here :P. Anyway I am up bright and early to start my second bupe day. I'll let everyone know how it goes. My short term goal is to still feel good after my third day. That's when I will know what the future holds for me.
 
thanks for your words Sunlight,

Well, I'm old and so on... (but that's not really relevant. )

But to the topic: It could be psychologically good, if you dose different way than dope, while I must say that snorting is bit more economical. But if you could hold the tab under your tongue like in vacuum about fifteen minutes, then there isn't much difference in the way you use it (economy). The tests are done with relatively careless way of using them sublingually (I mean, those which measure the bioavailability). Try just swallow all the saliva before you put the tab under your tongue, and then -- if you could lock it in there -- you shouldn't taste the the orange flavor... If that's such, all goes fine via oral way.

And, take just the amount which holds you... though with partial agonist there is a tendency that the high doesn't come heavier relative to dose, if compared full agonists. And the way of use is sublingual. You have suboxone, and haven't used to bang anything -- well one could get high with subutex with fast saturation and just with shooting (but that isn't your problem).

Suboxone is just ment for holding you, you know. And when you have find your minumum holding amount, start tapering. I know that you have heard this and are in a way, but it's not a bad to hear or read it again... Always in the minimum, if you're kicking (but if you happen to get slight high, it doesn't ruin all). But don't try to seek highs, just holds. I know you do and will do and know that...
 
It might even be better for you to not take enough to keep you from withdrawling, but take enough to keep the withdrawals at a level you can deal with them. The reason for taking suboxone to stop withdrawals is so you are capable of doing all the other things that should change in order to get your life on track, without having to do them while withdrawaling. I would think for getting off of a substance by means of a fast taper, it might be more beneficial to take smaller amounts and still withdrawal, but not horribly unmanigably bad. I believe if you take enough to keep you completly from withdrawaling you may find yourself thinking you are in the clear but really just delaying the inevitable. Not trying to be negative, but I think it is something you should seriously consider.

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
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Like Jew says your still going to suffer when you stop taking the bupe, this is the easy part. While I agree with him my own method would differ as I like the least amount of discomfort when w/d'ing. How long do you play on using the bupe for? When you mentioned before you felt a buzz from the 8mgs I can tell you that is way to much to take if thats the case. You will be surprised by what even 1-.5mg of bupe will do for you.

Yeah I see the similiarities when your mode of snorting your DOC is the same as your detox med. Shit I wanted Bupernex for by bupe intake, I wanted to vein my dose everyday, but no. Instead I daily dose bupe 1-.5mg's 3-4 times a day [insufflated]. Im rambling...
 
its been quite some time since your last reply, update please.

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
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Suboxone Detox:
Day 2​

At the moment I am recovering from the most intense lucid multiple dream experience that I never thought I could dream up. A part in that dream was what i've heard of as a "user dream" where I was given the choice to take heroin. To tell you the truth, I was already tripping balls on acid in the dream and channeling my soul through other peoples pupils into their dream worlds (or realities?) at one point....and I don't remember if the part i experienced in the dream was the reality or a duplicate of it where I woke up and blew 1 mg suboxone and went back to sleep. When I went back to sleep oddly enough I was instantly in my dream again when I told myself just look at your hands and I was was like getting a surge of electricity or going on a dmt trip throughout my body and zzap my soul flies into an attick. The addict contained an old toy chest of mine as well as some other items not as important to you guys when I stumbled upon a book filled with every drug imaginable. The one that caught my eye was the needle full of heroin right next to the e-pills. I remembered I was already tripping on acid inside of a lucid dream which felt like eternity I just tossed the book o drugs on the floor and once again I was off. I remember having a hard time trying to fly as I felt weak, kind of as if I were weak without my drugs, and suddenly just built up all I had in me and the image of my fists bursting through the roof is the last thing I saw before my vision was completely filled with torn technicolor 60's acid trippy melting pages filled with crazy phrases I read aloud in my dream and told my self to remember. All I remember is that a lot of them had things like ArE yoU DreAmInG? and iS tHiS? a? dREAm? printed. I concluded, yes most definetly...I was indeed dreaming, and off I went to what continued as the other half of the most intense lucid experience of my life.

Back to reality. Yesterday upon awakening I insufflated 1 mg suboxone and dosed 2mg sublingualy. Today I was already thinking with more clarity due to the fact that the dope can no longer constrict my consciousness. I was doing well on 3. Around 3 or 4 o clock I dosed another 2mg after smoking a lot of trees and hash. I was pretty fucked up and noticed my breathing was a bit shallow, so I kept myself awake althought it was pretty tough and waited an hour for my pops to get home with chinese food. I ate chinese food to fuck and passed the fuck out from about 7 pm to 1 or 2 pm when I woke up with the sweats, it could've been from the crazy dream but I figured to blow another 1 mg of suboxone to do the trick. It did the trick. This was real and not part of my dream, but I may have experienced it in my dream, or peiced it in as part of my dream in my subconscious. Either way I wound up doing 6 mg which was more than I expected, I easily could've gotten by on 4 if I had taken the other 2 when I needed it, I wouldn't have had to wake up and blow 1mg either. But it's alright. Today I'm going to try out 4. I may try them in 1mg doses at a time, because whenever I take a 2, combined with xanax and adderall it alters my state of mind i'd definetly have to say. But I don't care, it's cool and I'll probbaly taper myself off with some extras to have if I ever crave or something. Who knows.

Canis aureus: The only time I will dose by blowing the suboxone is in 1mg doses for emergencies like getting back to sleep and shit. That's a great description of how to take them too. I'm sort of learning to do that better day by day. I dont know if its the drugs I take every day combined, or just the suboxone but it gets me high. It feels more natural but a little opiate similar but I think I am happiest about not being on heroin.

JeW BaLLs: I'm getting high off of this or off of life or off of adderall trees xanax or something but I am feeling good. And I think it's a good thing that I am even though I took one 2mg dose when I could've waited longer. I have enough to taper myself easy and have some left over so I'm not going to put myself through little constant pains on day 2 just to teach my body a lesson. Considering the fact that I am content just not being on heroin and I have beaten every other addiction besides nicotine which I don't desire to beat atm...I don't think if I don't go through withdrawls and have a smooth ride the whole way down tapering to 1 and even .5 if I have to it's a good thing. I appreciate your input but I also favor optimisim over pessimism.
 
If I were you I would be careful with the sub, you say you easily have enough to taper down yet you have never done it before, so you dont know how much is enough. Im glad you are not taking heroin any more, but I also dont want you to be confused, you are still on opiates, and the sooner you taper down to a lower dose, the less intense withdrawals will be when you decide to jump off it.

because whenever I take a 2, combined with xanax and adderall it alters my
state of mind i'd definetly have to say. But I don't care, it's cool and I'll
probbaly taper myself off with some extras to have if I ever crave or something.
Who knows.
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Be careful my friend, this sounds like your addiction speaking, rather than yourself.

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
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