Kicking Heroin with suboxone

[sunlight • remixed]

good god, angry dopers... All I was saying is simply you must truly want to quit an active opiate addiction. You simply cant just expect to be in the clear if you choose to do nothing to change your addictive behavior.

How many of us have tryed to do anything but everything it takes to get off dope, only to end up at a later time, still hooked, with a worse problem, only to wish we were as desperate as we are now when we first realised we had a problem and decided to quit the way that works then?

I cant help it if it seems harsh to people who truly want to believe kicking is a simple painless process.

Lyserg, how do you know so well that it will be a painless kick for this guy?Have you ever done it yourself?

And swybs, sorry for being presumptuous, but its the truth, if this kid wants to get of heroin, and has never done it at this kind of habbit before, instead of filling him up with nice warm fuzzy comments about how easy it is to get off dope, I would like to give him a taste of the real world, the way it really is, for most users who are atleast ahead of the game by deciding to try to quit before they are totally fucked.

If you still think im an utter jack ass, and that my post made absolutly no sense think of it like this, im just getting him ready for the post acute stuff that he still knows nothing about, since no one seemed to mention how much that will drive one to using dope again no matter how much they have swore against it.

Especially when someone thinks they are no longer an addict since they went through the withdrawals already.

Also, everyone seems to think im out to hurt someone with my tough love. I wish it was the walk in the park that everyone seems to say it is, but realisticaly it isnt. I mean, your gonna take advice on quitting dope as a godsend from guys that are even more addicted than you? Be realistic, if their advice didnt work for them, why will it work for you?

If you are so in tune with your subconscience and conscience mind, how did you let yourself get into this mess?

Once again, my replies are not meant to drive people down a long road of dark hateful addiction, they are simply ways I try to express the seriousness of a dope kick. If one is not willing to change, only wanting to, they wont.

Look Buddy, You're talking about your own situation. I've gone through many many years of depression so I know what i'm up against, I have no problem finding happiness in everything, I just don't want to be on dope. I hate the shit. If you read my first post you'd see how I got into this mess. Fear of your post acute shit driving one to do dope is what leads one to relapse. So once again, I don't appreciate the negativity. I've tried quitting mostly cold turkey about 20 times, and when realizing it's not worth doing it that way I decided to stay functional while on it and try to find myself some methadone or suboxone to get it out of my life. This is the time I have an oppurtunity to stop and that is why I came here for help. So please, enough is enough.

 

[JeW BaLLs]

dude, i posted two very helpful replys yet you still tell me enough is enough. I wish you would realise I am only trying to help you. You say you kicked once with only a few methodone pills, but you ended up back, and worse. The reason? Because you didnt get therapy. You will always take drugs until you discovery and deal with what it is about you that drives you to take drugs.

My remark about how you got into this mess was more for you than for me, ive read your post and know, Im just saying there isnt much of a difference between methodone and suboxone, they both dont work BY THEMSELVES, you have to do some things to successfully quit.

To make this seem less negative i will shorten it up into a simple sentence.

"Methodone or suboxone alone will not cure addiction"

I hope you will stop attacking me for trying to help you. I also hope that you will get off the dope, but switching from one drug to another isnt the answer. I would suggest switching to a longer lasting, less euphoric opiate then tappering down from that drug along with getting some drug abuse therapy and changing your using buddies for friends that dont use. I hope you understand this, and dont set yourself up for relapse. Please dont think of my posts as posts that would set you up to relapse, they are not that, infact they are the opposite. Good luck.

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
End Disclaimer.

 

[sunlight • remixed]

dude, i posted two very helpful replys yet you still tell me enough is enough. I wish you would realise I am only trying to help you. You say you kicked once with only a few methodone pills, but you ended up back, and worse. The reason? Because you didnt get therapy. You will always take drugs until you discovery and deal with what it is about you that drives you to take drugs.

My remark about how you got into this mess was more for you than for me, ive read your post and know, Im just saying there isnt much of a difference between methodone and suboxone, they both dont work BY THEMSELVES, you have to do some things to successfully quit.

To make this seem less negative i will shorten it up into a simple sentence.

"Methodone or suboxone alone will not cure addiction"

I hope you will stop attacking me for trying to help you. I also hope that you will get off the dope, but switching from one drug to another isnt the answer. I would suggest switching to a longer lasting, less euphoric opiate then tappering down from that drug along with getting some drug abuse therapy and changing your using buddies for friends that dont use. I hope you understand this, and dont set yourself up for relapse. Please dont think of my posts as posts that would set you up to relapse, they are not that, infact they are the opposite. Good luck.

Now everything in this post is something I can agree with here. Never had I been able to get enough of anything ot quit and I most definetly know that It will take much more will power than drugs to help me get off of this stuff. And I can not be around people using you're certainly right, I need to keep it off of my mind for as long as I can. I'm a little wearly with therapists and group meetings after my depression phase because they never helped me in the past, but if nothing else works I suppose something like that might be a reasonable option. And "Methodone or suboxone alone will not cure addiction" is a very rational statement and I appreciate you leaving that simple thought for me to ponder because It will indeed help to think about while taking this. Thank you for your luck and good intent.

 

[JeW BaLLs]

thats basically what ive been saying the whole time, only simplified and dumbed down (so you dont have to realise those points yourself)

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
End Disclaimer.

 

[pkt]

If your habit is 1 - 2 bags of dope per day then just quit now. Compared to most serious opiate users you have a small habbit, sounds to me like your chipping. Quit now before your using 10-15 bags per day...trust me.

 

[sunlight • remixed]

thats basically what ive been saying the whole time, only simplified and dumbed down (so you dont have to realise those points yourself)

There was nothing "dumbed down" about your recent explination. I have been fully aware of what you have said to me and told you that a) I wasn't going to listen to someone who is being negative and b) Your advice wasn't the right choice for me and I thanked you before being a jerk about it. If you're still going to insult me because you're pissed that some people told you to chill out than just stop posting your elite wisdom that I simply cannot fathom unless you "Dumb it down". Come on already man. I did nothing to you.

 

[sunlight • remixed]

If your habit is 1 - 2 bags of dope per day then just quit now. Compared to most serious opiate users you have a small habbit, sounds to me like your chipping. Quit now before your using 10-15 bags per day...trust me.

Exactly my point of why this won't be as hard for me as for most typical users blowing numerous bags in a line per day. Or shooting. ALSO for everyones information I've got an update on the suboxones. The kid who was going to give me them for 10 scummed me over and left for school without calling me breaking his promise to me. BUT, it turns out that the kid who was selling them for 15 (also my dope guy) decided to give me 5 for 50 because I told him what happened. I wound up picking up 6 for 60 and Am going to start this tomorrow! Wish me luck :D And Thank all of you with good hearts here. I will make it up by paying your kindness foward to anyone I can on these boards. As long as nobody else feels like lashing out on someone who is pretty knowledgable and an overall nice guy in the other threads this place is growing comfy already :D Peace and love to all of you

 

[blahblahblahblah]

Get more. Buy as many as possible #6 8mg Suboxones is not enough to have a comfortable [?] detox, IMO.

 

[sunlight • remixed]

If I must, I can and have the resources now...and by that time I will have more money, but I plan on being able to do with less pills
EDIT: I'm not saying I'm right, I've never experienced this drug before so I'm just setting a goal for myself. Tonight is a celebratory night though, so I'm going to get fucked up, and pass out long and hard by 12 and wake up 11 hours later withdrawing and ready for the bupe and ready for my first day bupein at school & work. :D

 

[axl blaze]

good luck man. kicking an IV heroin habit by means of bupe is seriously the way to go. I reccomend at least taking 8 mgs at like 8 AM and another 8 mgs at 8 PM. at least, and make sure to adjust accordingly to how you feel.

suboxone won't make the procedure pain-free but it will damn sure make detox tolerable. if you need any help during the process PM me.

 

[MzAnthroP]

Don't go paying $10 each if you're going to be buying so many... that's outrageous. They don't cost more than $6 each, and that's without insurance.

 

[ilikenoddyland]

sunlight i wish you luck, i honestly dont thhink jew balls had any malicious intent man it just seems taht way. if i were you i would get as many of teh subutex you can afford. make a taper plan, write it down. start by clucking/cold turkey for as long as poss, wait untill you really cant bear it then wait another 4 hours. then stick your first sub under your tongue. i would go for 6mg hold it under your tongue as long as you possibly can. 6 mg should give you a lift/buzz/confidence call it what you will but you will be startin on a high and will be really positive then.

6mg should last you the whole day.

next day take 4mg try and make it last the whole day.

next day take 2mg morning 2mg evening before bed.

next day 1mg morning 2 mg bed

next day 1mg mornin 1mg bed

next day dont take the mornin dose and see how long you can wait before takin it hopefully you will make it till th evening. then just keep ging as long as you can between doses.

this is what i did when i was at your level a while ago. i used xanax (.5 - 1mg with each sub dose) i cant offer advice after this point cos i aint mastered this point yet. lifestyle change is whats needed but its hard.

this plan should have you off dope with less than 30mg sub. it worked for me ,for the short term. i was extremely pleased with myself when i went a couple days without any subs. i was tottally free of my opiate addiction . so i rewarded myself with a blast on some oxies/dyhydrocodeine and codeine) i'm still hooked on opiates

 

[sunlight • remixed]

Status:Last line of heroin blown at 1 AM EST.
Later than I had wished, but things happen. I'm about to smoke some bud and hash and call it a night sooner or later. Responding to your post AxL BLaZe, you must have been one of the underline readers but I am greatful for your response anyway. I don't IV it, so hopefully I'll be even better off :D. MzAnthroP although wish as I may for a price cut, I still consider myself lucky for getting 6 for 60 rather than 6 for 90. I'm a bloody delivery boy but I don't care, 60 bucks for my life back isn't too bad of a price ^_^ So I have 48 mg's to hold me over for the ride. Also although I did go a bit all out for my last night, Lately I've been getting the weaker bags, so hopefully that helped in some ways. Blah, If i need more I'll have to get more but I think i may even wind up with extra. ilikenoddyland, you and I are on the same wavelength regarding my dosage plan. You guys are wonderful people for responding and encouraging me. This thread has become a lifeline of mine In a way, and I'm sorry if it gets annoying listening to me after every post but I think all of you who took the time to give me a response deserve one back you know?

I do have a question though, I had planned on waking up and dosing before my 12:30 class around 12. This gives me about 11 hours. Noddy posed an answer to a question I was about to ask, but I'd just like to get a few more opinions I suppose on how long exactly I should wait to not experience the rapid WD. I am going to find the heroin half-life data I stumbled upon once around the internet somewhere and calculate around how many hours I should truly wait. And Jew Balls if you're reading this thread by any chance, bluelight is more of my type of NA. I need the support going through this detoxing and when I make it, If I do have problems finding hope and happiness I know this board is a beautiful place to turn to. I had found my happiness post depression and was living my dreams out until I woke up that one day and discovered that I am now an addict. That is what took away my happiness knowing that I was dependant on a substance to be happy now. Although you're intentions may have been pure, I'm sure you wouldn't bring that negativity to an NA meeting. And even you helped me with your one statement that I am going to remember that "Methodone or suboxone alone will not cure addiction." and that is the truth.

EDIT: Alright I found that heroin has a half life of about 3 minutes before it converts to morphine, and should use that half life as a guide. Morphine it states has a half life of two hours. By 8 hours I will only have roughly 6% heroin in my blood, 10 hours 3.125% and 12 hours 1.5625%. I may decide to dose around 10 hours at least to get myself through school. Do any of you think with only 3.125% heroin in your bloodstream you will go through rapid withdrawl? And if so, would this be mild or painful with that percentage of dope in me?

 

[drug_wench]

god i was only doing 1-2 bags a day, chasing the dragon (tho i used alot of codeine/tramadol for yrs also), and i went thru a short course of methadone and, as it has only just entered our country (im the 4th guinea pig here to receive suboxone treatment), i got suboxone afta that
it was given to me in detox and i dunno wat the dosage was but i sure didnt get a 'high'
only main reason i was given these drugs was cos i was dangerously underweight and my body cudnt even handle relatively mild withdrawals cos i had a much worse speed habit to contend wiv
personally i felt more comfortable using the suboxone and esp the weaning off it than methadone which left me a little debilitated to say the least
thats probly not much help but hey, good on u, recognizing u got a problem and u need to stop means ur half way there!
fuck i didnt think i had a problem till i went into detox, and it wasnt really my choice to go in there!

 

[sunlight • remixed]

god i was only doing 1-2 bags a day, chasing the dragon (tho i used alot of codeine/tramadol for yrs also), and i went thru a short course of methadone and, as it has only just entered our country (im the 4th guinea pig here to receive suboxone treatment), i got suboxone afta that
it was given to me in detox and i dunno wat the dosage was but i sure didnt get a 'high'
only main reason i was given these drugs was cos i was dangerously underweight and my body cudnt even handle relatively mild withdrawals cos i had a much worse speed habit to contend wiv
personally i felt more comfortable using the suboxone and esp the weaning off it than methadone which left me a little debilitated to say the least
thats probly not much help but hey, good on u, recognizing u got a problem and u need to stop means ur half way there!
fuck i didnt think i had a problem till i went into detox, and it wasnt really my choice to go in there!

Good to know brother! And you're clean today still?

 

[JeW BaLLs]

now that youve calmed down, ill let go...

I seem to have posted this a bit late, but, yes, I bring everything to NA, except for denial

There is only one difference between bluelight and NA, or a similar support group. Bluelight is focussed on drugs. NA, and other addiction recovery support groups are focussed on quitting drugs. (in otherwords this site IMO has encouraged more people to DO than to QUIT) Im not saying many people havent gotten help quitting here, simply that more people have done the opposite.

Also, dont go by times when you dose your bupe, like axl said, wait till you cant any longer, then wait longer. just make sure you are fully dopesick. And the exact solution to the equation you are trying to write isnt very practical, only theoretical, if you are the absolute average guy with the metabolism those half lifes are figured by.

I would suggest for you to reread my posts, thinking of them mostly as "If you do not change your people places and things"

But I should probably stop being so negative now, so remember, what I have typed above is strictly an opinion based on my own inexperience. None of it is to be taken seriously, especially not if it sounds negative.
End Disclaimer.

 

[sunlight • remixed]

This stuff makes a lot of saliva in my mouth, i'm guessing i should swallow?

 

[eddy1514]

try to hold it all there for as long as possible, and swollow as little as possible. also dont eat or drink anything 15 min before and 15 min after taking the dose.

 

[Canis aureus]

Don't swallow, keep it there; try to lock them with your tongue (like in vacuum there).

Good luck man, you seem to be a good soul! I mean it, good luck as luck could be!

 

[blahblahblahblah]

Powderize the pills, pour the powder under your tongue, agitate the powder with the tip of your tongue by grinding it into the flesh area underneath your tongue. Thats the most effecient route I have found other than snorting which conserves bupe and increases its bioavailability [something you should think about].

How long did you wait after your last dose of opiate before taking the bupe? I noticed you mentioned 11 hrs. or so. Wait untill you are in w/d [no time limits] before taking the bupe. Did you get thrown into w/d's?