Keys to keeping gains post cycle

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Yellowcabs

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I'm about to start my PCT again. What advice do you guys have for keeping gains? How much weight is acceptable to lose post cycle (I put on 15 lbs and kept my body fat the same)? Thanks
 
Yellowcabs said:
50mg test prop ed and the last couple weeks I started Epistane.
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Beautiful. That's a good cycle bro. Simple and effective. The Testosterone Propionate was there to give you size, thickness, strength, and fatloss; The Epistane polished everything by reducing bloat, giving you hardness and vascularity, and contributing to lean muscle gain. I really like Epistane, I actually just started running some a week ago. It's like a combination of Proviron and Stanazol, but without the dry joints Stanazol gives.

Anyways, maybe about 3-5 pounds of weight might be lost. I'mI have found the best way to eliminate any loss of gains is a solid PCT regime combined with high protien diet and dropping the weight on some of your lifts. Ostarine is excellent compound to run during PCT. I have used it myself on cycle and found it to be comparable to a low dose of Anavar. It doesn't shut you down and has no effect on the HPTA axis, no increased oil secretion from sebaceous glands, no body hair growth, no prolactin increase, no hair loss on the scalp, and no aromitisation. Because of this, when I was putting together cycles for my friends, I gave them some Ostarine, 20mg a day, to try during PCT and it not only preserved their gains, they experienced fat loss and managed to preserve a majority of their strength. 20mg seems to be the magic number for bodybuilding. Even at lower doses in medical studies, it was causing composition changes in the bodies of people. I will say to people reading this and thinking they can get ripped without any side effect, Ostarine by itself is a waste. It's a great addition to cycle and an excellent compound to run during PCT after a cycle but it won't get you anywhere by itself.

You can do PCT without Ostarine and as long as it's on point along with your diet and not overdoing it with lifts, you will keep just about all your gains. Ostarine is just extra insurance and something to make your PCT more worthwhile. It's pretty cheap as well if you go to a proper research chemical/peptide vendor. You shouldn't be paying more than $30 for 40 20mg capsules. Look into it bro, it is worth it.
 
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Thanks Guido. Ostarine sounds great, I'll try to find some. I don't think I'v seen it at any of my usual places.
 
What kind of dosing regime do you follow with ostarine Guido? I've been reading up on it, a lot of guys have noticed their testosterone being suppressed from running it solo, got the bloods and everything to prove it. I want to run it through my cycle and all of my PCT, just don't want to fuck up my recovery.
 
islander20 said:
What kind of dosing regime do you follow with ostarine Guido? I've been reading up on it, a lot of guys have noticed their testosterone being suppressed from running it solo, got the bloods and everything to prove it. I want to run it through my cycle and all of my PCT, just don't want to fuck up my recovery.
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That's because they are running it at extremely high doses. You only want to run it at 25mg during PCT. Anything higher during PCT is bound to lead to some suppression. Even while on cycle 25mg is enough to see increased hardness, vascularity, strength, and fat loss. I don' run it at a dose higher than 25mg because it's still a relatively new compound and studies on it were done at low dosages. Running 50mg or 100mg would be fucking foolish.
 
-Guido- said:
Beautiful. That's a good cycle bro. Simple and effective. The Testosterone Propionate was there to give you size, thickness, strength, and fatloss; The Epistane polished everything by reducing bloat, giving you hardness and vascularity, and contributing to lean muscle gain. I really like Epistane, I actually just started running some a week ago. It's like a combination of Proviron and Stanazol, but without the dry joints Stanazol gives.

Anyways, maybe about 3-5 pounds of weight might be lost. I'mI have found the best way to eliminate any loss of gains is a solid PCT regime combined with high protien diet and dropping the weight on some of your lifts. Ostarine is excellent compound to run during PCT. I have used it myself on cycle and found it to be comparable to a low dose of Anavar. It doesn't shut you down and has no effect on the HPTA axis, no increased oil secretion from sebaceous glands, no body hair growth, no prolactin increase, no hair loss on the scalp, and no aromitisation. Because of this, when I was putting together cycles for my friends, I gave them some Ostarine, 20mg a day, to try during PCT and it not only preserved their gains, they experienced fat loss and managed to preserve a majority of their strength. 20mg seems to be the magic number for bodybuilding. Even at lower doses in medical studies, it was causing composition changes in the bodies of people. I will say to people reading this and thinking they can get ripped without any side effect, Ostarine by itself is a waste. It's a great addition to cycle and an excellent compound to run during PCT after a cycle but it won't get you anywhere by itself.

You can do PCT without Ostarine and as long as it's on point along with your diet and not overdoing it with lifts, you will keep just about all your gains. Ostarine is just extra insurance and something to make your PCT more worthwhile. It's pretty cheap as well if you go to a proper research chemical/peptide vendor. You shouldn't be paying more than $30 for 40 20mg capsules. Look into it bro, it is worth it.
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Why would you recommend lowering the lifts? Other than decreasing recovery time I can't think of why...
 
hey im 16years old 6ft 2in and 160lbs i am looking to do legal steroids such as dball deca drol sold on amazon i was wondering if it would be fine for a person at my age to take it ?
 
bigman9815 said:
hey im 16years old 6ft 2in and 160lbs i am looking to do legal steroids such as dball deca drol sold on amazon i was wondering if it would be fine for a person at my age to take it ?
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If you think you're a "big man", I must be absolutely humongous. I would hate to see how you would describe Voxide.

No, it is not fine for you to take steroids at your age, at your current weight, and at your current level of training experience. Just fucking eat, lift and sleep hard for 5-6 years, you will blow the fuck up. Probably won't even want to use gear unless you decide to get on stage.
 
-Guido- said:
I will say to people reading this and thinking they can get ripped without any side effect, Ostarine by itself is a waste. It's a great addition to cycle and an excellent compound to run during PCT after a cycle but it won't get you anywhere by itself.
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True when used alone gains are hard to see but do happen slowly to be fair to ostarine i combined it only with ghrp6 and had slow noticeable gains (i took 2 x two month cycles with igf-1 lr3 in between when off osta ) that people commented on. I def had composition changes and a bit of size increase.
 
Yea I was wondering about running it solo for a cut...curious how effective it would be.
 
just a thought i'm throwing out there: why not a cortisol blocker to reduce catabolism while your body adjusts to the hormone changes (cortisol rebound).

i've always thought about that, but i've never seen anyone mention it, like taking phenibut at a low dose for a week after the cycle to dry out NE.


just my 2 cents, could be disastrous with my limitation of knowledge though :P
 
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