• 🇳🇿 🇲🇲 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇦🇺 🇦🇶 🇮🇳
    Australian & Asian
    Drug Discussion

    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • AADD Moderators: Tronica

ketamine

drug_mentor said:
Replace MDMA with weed, booze and benzo's and i would be inclined to agree with you. I am likely to be trying G this weekend though and thinking its likely that will sit quite nicely with me.
Click to expand...

What's don't you like about MDMA?
 
I have heard you can buy k over the counter in certain s.e asian countries, anyone confirm?
 
Ekoh, I don't dislike MDMA I just wouldn't care if I never di it again. I stopped feeling 'loved up' when I quit back in late '08/early '09 and although I probably would be right now since I haven't had any since then I would rather get stimmed up when I go out socially. MDMA is somewhat sedating and I would rather use meth to socialise.
 
Mr Blonde said:
No, your vivid experiences on LSD are not true hallucinations. Can you distinguish them from reality? Are you hearing voices in your head that you are sure are real and you would obey every word they say? Are you followed by people that others are trying to tell you aren't really there? No?

Then you haven't hallucinated and I'm fairly sure your hallucinations on LSD are nothing like a psychotic episode for me.

'My' definition isn't just something I pulled out of my ass, it's the medically accepted definition. Hallucination as a word has been used to describe the visual effects of drugs like LSD, ketamine, etc... but they aren't true hallucinations unless they are indistinguishable from reality to the user.
Click to expand...

Yeah right.....

The psychotic ones lay the ground rules for the definiton of psychedelic experiences now!!!
 
Luude said:
Yeah right.....

The psychotic ones lay the ground rules for the definiton of psychedelic experiences now!!!
Click to expand...

I totally agree with this. Being someone who has experienced both - a psychotic break to the point where i had to get sedated in hospital, and nice cruisy psychedelic experience on medium to high doses of psychedelic drugs, in my stance i am comfortable to vote that one experience isn't any less 'real' than the other. Just some have taken a different 'path' as such. Just my opinion.
 
:|

I'm not saying one experience is any less 'real' then the other, I was just saying that in medicine a hallucination is defined as something you can't separate from reality in your mind; you believe what you are seeing/hearing is completely real. This is very different from the visuals you get from LSD or ketamine or whatever. I'm not saying these drugs can't produce true hallucinations, I was just noting that the way most people use the word hallucination is not how it was originally used nor what it's original medical definition was.

Both experiences are real, but there is a difference between the psychedelic mind state and the visuals that go with it and fully interacting with hallucinations you are having, I've never had true hallucinations from the result of any drug as no drug has ever caused me a psychosis, my psychotic breaks have been completely organic.

Christ this is off-topic.
 
Mr Blonde said:
Christ this is off-topic.
Click to expand...

You're spot on Mr B

I tried to stay out of this one, but I will say that I have only ever had true hallucinations after ingesting tropane alkaloids from datura/brugmansia. It produced a complete inability to differentiate reality from fantasy. For the most part, a very dangerous class of drugs and LSD/ketamine are extremely mild in comparison. For me, they have never produced any effects that I can't distinguish from reality.

I don't know exactly how substances effect other people, I am not inside their head for the experience, so I let people make their own informed decision on what they class as a true hallucination.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top