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Dissociatives [Ketamine Subthread] Different Brands

tathra - Yes, that is true. Single-isomer ketamine has been available in the past, and likely can still be found.

However, my understanding is that it is extremely expensive and not produced in mass quantities like normal Ketamine.
 
Ive had only 2 different kinds- 'Ketamina' with a picture of a cat on the box with foreign language all over the bottle (40 ml) and the TTOOYKKO (sp) Ketamine HCL (40ml as well).
They both seemed the same to me. There may have been a difference if the stuff was IMd but I dont partake in that route of adminstration. Sniffing the different types seemed to produce the same exact effects.
i agree with the above posters- its all in the users mind.

I wish I could find more of this lovely substance - should have stocked up when I had the chance. I stretched one bottle out over a year (drying small amounts at a time and keeping the open bottle tightly wrapped up in the fridge). This took extreme moderation for very special occasions.
**HAD to edit due to many many embarrassing typos.
 
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The only brand of pure S-ketamine I know of is Ketanest-S, which is made by a Dutch company if I recall.
 
the different isomers also have a distinct taste, i noticed.

i guess a good way to describe the taste of the racemate is like 'electric ice' (if anybody can describe the taste better, speak up!)
if i remember correctly, the 'psychedelic' isomer has the dull, icey taste, and the primarily physical ismoer has the electric taste; its been a while since i've had single ismoer ketamine, though.
 
ok, sorry for digging up this blast from the past, but i just wanted to add my opinion.

although many of you claim to disagree, it seems those that do, really haven't tried more than 2 different brands....or at least you only mention using that many...after having had the luxury of trying a few different brands of SEALED vials, often side by side, in my experience, there is definitly a difference between brands. and all my experiences and opinions are also shared by my tripping partner..all these describe IM administration.

Ttokyo/ketamina was the absolute worst ever..very warbly experince, no recollection whatsover...complete waste of time...warbled out for a very long time after...

Ketaset... very clean...good recollection...sorta 'generic' feeling i suppose..

Ketamex(or vet?)[mexican white box/green bull] the best ever...beutiful trip...great recollection...just dandy...definite fave...

Ketaphorte...less recollection than the last too, but still good...nice trip..7 stars out of ten...and ya can't complain when you got 10 vial for free!...that was a happy birthday to me..

One more sealed one i can't remember the name though..i believe it was human grade....felt along the lines of ketaset...

on top of this i have had 'numerous' powders which i have mixed into solutions over the years, and they all DEFINITLY provided different subjective experiences at times...

when i do k, mostly i binge for a few daze, so i get a good idea of a certain brand, or i am able to compare them side by side...i do believe it's variation in the ratios of the R and S insomer that account for these descrepincies, but surely subjective experience plays a role...i definitly notice after binging on 'any' brand of k for a while (weeks, months, with breaks of course), recollection get's real bad...there's a point of no return...so all of these opinions are based on some of my first encounters with them..and as i said my tripping partner agrees with me on these differences...

i also figure many of them can change with time as a batch of one brand made in 2001 , might be different from same brand in 2004..who knowz....

just wanted to give my opinion since many seemed to claim otherwise... peace..
 
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I've done Ttokkyo, Ketaset, Vetaset, Ketaject, Anesket, and some Chinese ketamine base that had to be converted to the HCl salt, and there was absolutely NO difference between any of them. I am convinced that people who think there is a difference between brands do in fact feel a diference, but it is psychosomatic. There is no difference. (except in the case of the brand(s?) that only contain the S isomer)
 
CC,

Was that via IM administration? I've never really noticed any differences between them via other methods of administration...
 
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tathra said:
Most brands contain equal mixtures of the S(+) and R(-) isomers (racemic ketamine), but at least one brand has been found to contain only the S(+) isomer.
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Parke-Davis has a product on the German market that only contains S(+) ketamine. The S(+) is supposedly a better painkiller and a better anesthetic. One also thought that S(+) would cause less hallucinations, but those claims seem untrue.
 
Of the brands i've tried I like Ttokkyo the best.

Ketaphorte is more like a weaker version of Ttokkyo, it produces similar effects but it takes more of it to get me into the K-Hole.

Anesket is really strong but I feel like my head is really large. The amount of K to get me in the hole is about the same with Ttokkyo but it produces body effects that I dislike,

Ttokkyo is my favorite, I get into a k-hole without negative effects everytime.
 
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Out of all of those, the BEST ones are (in order)

1. Ketlar 500 --- this is the BEST EVER IT IS AS CLOSE TO ORGASM AS YOU CAN
aCTUALLY GET WHEN IN A HOLE
2. KetaVET--- this had me growling like a lion
3. KetaMAX (bluelabel) - differs from ketamax in a green label w/c is not as
good
4. KetaJECT-- pretty good
5. And the remaining bottle of Ketamine Hydrchloride - ho hum..garden variety
 
Why won't these rumours die?

Ketamine is (±)-2-(2-Chlorophenyl)-2-(methylamino)cyclohexanone.

Provided it comes from a professional pharmaceutical supplier, it does NOT vary from company to company.

That means that racemic ketamines like ketalar, ketaset or ketamax are all exactly the same.

What changes from trip to trip is YOU. Even with identical product, the nature of a ketamine trip is subject to variables like how much sleep you've had, how much ketamine you've done recently, when you ate last, your mindset, the setting, the music playing, and anything else you can think of. Even with identical product from the same bag I've had wildly different experiences.

Due to tighter controls, ketamine made by converting hydroxilimide (a ketamine precursor) has become more common. That type varies dramatically in quality. Of course, it doesn't come in medical supply vials.
 
As discussed earlier in this thread, single-isomer (non racemic) ketamine is different, true.

The only sources I could find claiming Benzethonium Chloride to be potentially psychoactive are this article, and one quoting it.

And since single-isomer ketamine is very rare, I stand by my statement. If it comes out of a bottle, it's all the same.
 
Racemic Compound - A crystalline racemate in which the two enantiomers are present in equal amounts in a well defined arrangement within the lattice of a homogenous crystalline addition compound. - IUPAC Compendium of Chemical Terminology.

My understanding of the processes involved is that the 1 to 1 ratio is not subject to variation. It's single-isomer or racemic - not a varying ratio.
 
Ketamine Brands - Aneket, Ketamin, etc.

Hey guys,

I know someone with a source for ketmaine. But we have a preference for the s-isomer. In regards to the ketamine isomers, I was wondering if you had heard of the brand Ketamin and whether its really psychedelic/clear and racemic or s-isomer?

I also have heard Aneket is s-isomer and human grade and therefore good stuff. But am I right in saying that it should be manufactured liquid first and then turned into powder? (Someone told me that the vials are more expensive because of the manufacturing involved turning it powder to liquid but that sounds like bullsh** to me..)

Thanks for any advice from fellow ketamine connoisseurs out there. :)

x daytripper10
 
the brands that i suspect to be s-isomer are:
anesket (the neon label), vulcan (i think, if it's not pure s-isomer then it's predominantly s), aquaket, ketavan (i think, not sure), ketaset-s.

i'm sure there are more, but that's all i can think of for now. also, the s-isomer seems to make me way more nausious then racemic.....except for Vulcan. Vulcan never fails to floor me, but with minimal nausea.
 
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