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Ketamine Discussion - Quality & Regional Info III

thats bad, special. i hope your ok and i strongly advise you take cut down on everything. i understand you have been attempting to stop everything a few times but i think you might need to take a serious break for a while. i know its easier said than done when a lot of friends seem to be "fine" after whatever amount of chemicals but its not a competition and everyone is different. take it easy man!
 
SpecialK_ said:
I just want to say as BL is a harm reduction board to always keep in mind that no matter how many times you use a drug or how knowledgeable you think you are you can always be caught out.

I had no idea of the proper understanding of what happened until a few hours ago, but I was found fitting in serious convulsions etc last night by some people very close/dear to me after taking 2 grams within an hour or two. I'd had a gram before and some other drugs prior but nothing substantial. But just to be careful people as ketamine is the last drug I thought would ever cause me to have something like this. I'm not worried about myself, I am ashamed of the worry I've caused those around me. But being harm reduction forum, just don't think your indestructible while your being self destructive like I've been doing these past few months. I'm glad I have such understanding people around me and that it hasn't been more serious.

Also I'm aware ketamine isn't a big drug for seizures either but other drugs were also consumed. Don't feel comfortable writing in case someone knows of my BL alias.
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This happened to me a couple of times was foaming at the mouth totally unresponsive. When i came round I couldn't remember a thing and had no clue how my friends had got me back to the flat. Hopefully your ok now, stay away from the k for a while.
 
ketamine can be used in people who are having extremely long convulsions, yes I know it says that on wiki, I have epilepsy so ask my specialist once.

Anyway, maybe it was a cut in the K? Or other drugs?
 
although its likely that it was drugs that triggered the seizure, it could be something else. Thats why i think you should try and get off what you can so you can rule out whats causing your ill health including the abdominal pains. Iv had a few things wrong with my health lately and i always thought it was my drug use causing it but now that have cut down on most things and went to the doc it turns out they are unrelated.
 
hmm a key of what I thought was K apparently sent me into convulsions/completely fucked me and ended me in hospital at a festival. although I still don't see how that was possible but :/
 
I ended up in hospital last Tuesday with upper gastro esophageal reflux caused by overdoing ketamine while lying down. Seems that doing massive consequtive lines & then lying down causes corrosion of the lining of the esophagus & also corrosion of the sphincter muscle at the bottom of the esophagus which is responsible for stopping stomach acid from entering the esophagus. The pain everytime I ate was excrutiating & nearly caused me to pass out on several occasions.

Just some HR for any potential k-heads out there!


Here is a study done on the subject....

Upper gastrointestinal problems in inhalational ketamine abusers.
Poon TL, Wong KF, Chan MY, Fung KW, Chu SK, Man CW, Yiu MK, Leung SK.


Source

Department of Surgery, Tuen Mun Hospital, Hong Kong SAR, China.


Abstract


OBJECTIVE:

To study the association between upper gastrointestinal (GI) problems and inhalational ketamine abuse.

METHODS:

This is a retrospective study of 64 ketamine abusers treated from 2001 to 2008. Variables studied included clinical presentations, findings of upper GI endoscopy, abstinence from ketamine and relief of epigastric pain.

RESULTS:

The following patients with (i) a previous history of upper GI problem; (ii) a history of non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID), aspirin or other substance abuse; and (iii) a known history of Helicobacter pylori (H. pylori) infection were excluded. The study group thus consisted of 37 ketamine abusers, of whom 28 had upper GI symptoms. Overall 14 of these patients had an upper endoscopy performed. The endoscopic diagnoses were: 12 (85.7% ) with gastritis, one (7.1% ) with gastroduodenitis, and one (7.1% ) normal finding. Test for H. pylori, infection was negative. Abstinence from ketamine was found to be associated significantly with relief of symptoms (P= 0.027). Logistic regression showed the odds ratio of symptomatic relief for abstinence versus continued use of ketamine is 12.5 (95% CI[1.20, 130.6], P= 0.035). In patients whom an upper GI endoscopy was performed, H. pylori negative gastritis was the commonest histopathological finding (78.6% ). Despite the use of medications, symptoms are commonly not relieved and that is associated with the continued abuse of ketamine.

CONCLUSION:

Ketamine abusers frequently presented with upper GI symptoms, the commonest of which is epigastric pain (73% of abusers). Abstinence from ketamine abuse can lead to the relief of symptoms, which is an important message for ketamine abusers.


PMID: 20402837 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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interesting, i had the same thing recently, agony when swallowing and a swollen esophagus area, burning, went to the doctors and they explained about the corrosion caused by acid reflux etc etc but they cant pinpoint a cause. I dont know if its related because Ive hardly been taking a lot in the last 6 months or so, barring a load around christmas time, but had been taking it regularly in the couple years up to then, and I do a lot of the whole "doing massive consecutive lines & then lying down" thing. I'll keep an eye out in the future to see if the two link up.

But then again my shit diet probably does no good either
 
pontifex01 said:
^ It could be possible that given the 2-MeO-K/NENK uber-failures top-end dealers are getting these compounds in bulk (and I do mean Bulk) from the vendors for super-cheaps since they aren't shifting, and using those to stretch out their ketamine supply. NENK would be sussed straight off but I doubt 2-MeO would.

Just blind speculation.
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My experiences of what I believe to be the K & N-EK mixture correlate strongly with many of the comments I've seen in this thread: Shortly after the news of the impending ban late last year, a supplier found a new less costly source. For the last year or so since there has been very high quality K available, it is always accompanied with the associated price tag, so substantially cheaper sources always ring proverbial alarm bells. I have enough experience with both (though a lot more with K) to be able to tentatively distinguish the two, and as confidently as I can say without a GC/MS, there was a ratio preparation of each in this batch. I mentioned it to the source, they confirmed it with the wholesaler, and I was informed that there is a high proportion of this Ketamine/N-EK mixture being circulated at present. Of course, these aren't in any way hard facts, but it makes sense based on the experiences many of us are having. An altered effect profile which is often difficult to describe, partly I think because of the presence of a certain amount of genuine Ketamine which confuses matters (excuse the pun), a shorter duration of the more intensive part of the effect, and a slightly more caustic-feeling sting on the nose seem to be the main indicators of the presence of N-EK. N-EK also tastes slightly more bitter in my experience, though in a mixture of both this is difficult to detect with any certainty. All of the batches of N-EK that I've seen have a crystal form that is distinct from Ketamine, with a slightly haphazard mixture of very small misshapen crystals (some shard, some rounder/rockier) with a high percentage so small that they appear more as crushed/dusty crystals.
 
Waiting on some more S-isomer to arrive, can't wait to give it a test then put it away for the summer (hopefully).
 
Ket quality seems to have improved a bit round here of late. Stuff at the moment feels quite a bit more ketty than that weird, ubershort-acting stuff. Still sore on the ol' shnozzer though.

That aside, does anybody have any info on combining ket with pregabalin? Got randomly given a strip of pregabalin yesterday (200mg caps) and couldn't resist a lil sample so took three (ie 600mg) then me long-delayed ket arrived so got started on that before the preggers had kicked in. Once they did kick in they seemed to rather potentiated the ket kos I was twatted - very twatted - from not all that much ket. So twatted I managed to lose the best part of a gramme of ket in the haze. This is not that uncommon an occurrence but usually I'd need to have taken way more than I did to be so mangled. Seemed to last quite a bit longer than usual too... although my sense of time was a tad wonky too so maybe it didn't. Either way I was excessively cunted and ridiculously unsteady on me feet (falling over a lot, bouncing off walls and stuff). Head's still a bit befuzzed today too. Oh, and I slept very heavily and stayed asleep a lot longer than even I usually do which I'm guessing is also the preggers.

Anyone tried the combo who can maybe confirm this apparent potentiation or was it just surprisingly potent ket compared to usual?
 
600mg is quite a dose if you're not used to the stuff! I'm taking pregabalin daily for six months now, and at first it messed with my balance and co-ordination pretty badly on it's own (after a while this went away). At first it definitely caused a problem when mixing with ketamine: I usually would lay off the pregabalin for half a day before taking ketamine that night (usually a gram or more). If I didn't, I'd get unpleasantly spinning vision, not unlike mixing GHB with ket (ugh).
Try it without the K, for some people (me) it's somehow like an extra-anxiolytic Tramadol, you may like it :D

Nice ket is still aplenty here, needle-shaped large crystals available for 20 euro, but I have lost the interest (or rather the urge) since taking a few weeks off. I hope my nose, bladder, wallet and sanity (for what that's worth) will thank me.
 
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Ah. That sounds familar, Lurch. Balance and co-ordination where utterly scuppered - waaaaaaaay more than usual for me on the amount of ket I had taken. Is the first time I've tried preggers and possibly did dose ambitiously - especially when I was expecting ket the same night. Drugpigz R Us :o

Must admit it was rather fun but I was totally befuddled and befugged for ages then fell asleep early and slept like a log. Might try 400mg instead and without the ket this time (unless I miraculously find that nearly-gramme I misplaced during the fug... which is highly unlikey given past experience :\). Thanks for the info :)
 
I have tried to hide left-over K from myself by storing it in an unlikely place at the end of the binge. Never really is effective cos either I'll easily remember the location the next day or I cannot remember the location and I'll still spend ages looking for it and finally finding it.

Only very very rarely has a bag of ket turned up days later after succesfully being hidden in an unlikely spot :D
 
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lurching said:
Only very very rarely has a bag of ket turned up days later after succesfully being hidden in an unlikely spot :D
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Twice I've discovered a bag under my bed when I've for some reason decided to lift up the mattress for some unrelated reason, with no clue how it got there. I was very happy on both occasions. For a couple of hours, at least!
 
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