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Ketamine Discussion- Quality and regional info

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The crystal stuff I had that was cooked from ketamax liquid was amazing, lovely and clean, floaty wonk. Proper crab walk with a drink in.

For the moment I'm too skint though mates have some MXE, hopefully get on that tomorrow while I try to get some money together.
 
I don't believe Ketamine causes more problems than it solves in people. It makes me feel much more positive and happy for a week or so after it than I am usually even, unless I've been going to the gym and not drinking for a month solid or something (easier said than done).

I have never been anywhere there are serious K abusers though. However I have canned the stuff myself a fair bit.
 
There are kids your age who piss into a bag because of K, it's a wonder-drug in many ways but don't underestimate the risks. It also leads to people becoming egocentric weirdos.
 
Vader said:
There are kids your age who piss into a bag because of K, it's a wonder-drug in many ways but don't underestimate the risks. It also leads to people becoming egocentric weirdos.
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What sort of doses and frequency of use are we talking to end up with bladder problems? I know people who have problems who probably dust off the best part of a couple of ozs per week. But if you used say 7gs a weekend, is that going to cause problems? I don't use anywhere near that amount, I treat myself to a gram every few months or so cus it fucks my stomach up real bad. Just wondered out of interest.
 
I'm not a physician, but I think it's safe to say that advising people not to smash a quarter of K every weekend is good HR. I'm sure that a gram here and there is fine, it's heavy, chronic use that leads to the (awful) side effects.
 
rockstar 69 said:
I don't believe Ketamine causes more problems than it solves in people. It makes me feel much more positive and happy for a week or so after it than I am usually even, unless I've been going to the gym and not drinking for a month solid or something (easier said than done).

I have never been anywhere there are serious K abusers though. However I have canned the stuff myself a fair bit.
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Just be careful, it's the effects like this that catch you out when you start to use regularly, derealization almost - although I'm sure it's nothing like that for you at the moment. It's just how addiction can manipulate your mind.

As much as I love k, I don't go through it that much. For me the duration isn't long enough to last a weekend off it - the price is too expensive too for how long it lasts. I would say that if you're using regularly and going through grams for a long period of time you'd start to experience some nasty side effects. I'm pretty sure if you binged on it heavily for a short period of time the same would happen. That's why I never stock up on k, it'd be a hole I'd never come out of. ;)
 
Vader said:
There are kids your age who piss into a bag because of K, it's a wonder-drug in many ways but don't underestimate the risks. It also leads to people becoming egocentric weirdos.
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I tend to just binge on it when I do use. I don't use it frequently though, I try to alternate my drug use between various different highs for different situations.

When I do use K I tend to binge for a few days though, I start off doing a gram a night and by the end of the week I'm doing 3 a night.

Never really had any stomach complaints apart from once at a festival, but I was doing lots of other drugs too.

Anyone any ideas on the risks of MXE compared to K on the bladder etc? Doesn't feel bad at all IMO, but I feel the opiate in it gives me sore muscles if I use it 2-3 days in a row like I would K.

I'm aware of how it detaches you from reality aswell and you think your centre of the world, I can be a bit like that anyway in all honesty.

SpecialK - yeah I agree, to maintain a habbit at the rate I can go through it with no real tollerance would be expensive. I can't imagine how you would maintain a serious habbit with tollerance.
 
MXE is likely to be less damaging than K. The main cause of the nastiness is believed to be norketamine. MXE will be metabolised in the same way, producing normethoxetamine. This metabolite is probably not very good for your bladder/kidneys either. However, doses of MXE are much lower than those for ketamine (for most people). In addition to this, MXE has a significantly longer duration. These two factors mean that you're likely to take much less MXE over a session than you would ketamine, so you end up with less of the toxic metabolite. As far as the relative toxicity of norMXE and norK, obviously there's no studies, and I'm no pharmacologist so don't care to speculate. There are other posters who will be able to answer your question much more accurately, and maybe correct mistakes I might have made, but that's the best I can do for ya.
 
Thanks Vader. I do agree that I dose less frequently with MXE, with K I'm redosing every 45-60mins almost. MXE sometimes I do redose too frequently but eventually I end up absolutely twisted and in the M-Hole, then I don't need anymore for hours and hours. I find it harder to sleep on MXE though, and I also find tollerance builds up as quick, if not quicker than ketamine? Cheers for reply anyway mate.
 
Vader said:
MXE is likely to be less damaging than K. The main cause of the nastiness is believed to be norketamine. MXE will be metabolised in the same way, producing normethoxetamine. This metabolite is probably not very good for your bladder/kidneys either. However, doses of MXE are much lower than those for ketamine (for most people). In addition to this, MXE has a significantly longer duration. These two factors mean that you're likely to take much less MXE over a session than you would ketamine, so you end up with less of the toxic metabolite. As far as the relative toxicity of norMXE and norK, obviously there's no studies, and I'm no pharmacologist so don't care to speculate. There are other posters who will be able to answer your question much more accurately, and maybe correct mistakes I might have made, but that's the best I can do for ya.
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I see, So someone on here who said "your an idiot for spitting the drip" Said i was wasting K, that could then be made into Norketamine,
Am i right to spit it?
 
^Ditto, but after a while of fairly heavy use i was getting stomach cramps. i just try & sniff it up gently then hold it in my nose! (doesnt really work that well)
Fuck i want some k haha
 
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Fuck the rumours, I always swallow the drip! :p
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Same. It's obviously a good idea to spit the drip but not for the reasons most k heads think. I liked swallowing the drip when I used to do a fair bit of ketamine. It'd be enough for an active dose. Best form of recycling I'm aware of.

Completely irrelevant ramble due to amphetamines:
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Chances are if you are concerned with swallowing the drip then you're putting enough up there for an oral dose if swallowed. I digress if it's an active amount or not you're still going to metabolise more ketamine than you would if you spit it on the floor. Ketamine recrystallizing in your stomach/bladder isn't the concern.

Ketamine and Gear scene are so similar in that both have uses in medicine, similar cultures in that addicts are constantly involved in drama and tend to associate with other people with the same addiction, both massively stigmatized and both come with their own junkie myths - don't ever try and dispute their myths either since they're proven to be truth by mass belief itself.

I can only speak for what I've seen of the Bristol scene and there's better sides of each scene to be found. I don't associate myself with either scene as I refuse to make a recreational drug a lifestyle. Some people choose to be a part of the K scene early on in their addiction as buying/selling is profitable enough to fund addiction but it's the lifestyle itself that seems to trap people in the end. I've seen people that have been able to stop doing ketamine but realise they can't move on as the only source of income available is selling ketamine. I've seen some people able to sell, be surrounded by other addicts and stay off ketamine for months at a time but I haven't seen any stop entirely without removing themselves from that world entirely.

The fucking joke of it all is people who are able to sort themselves out are often then left with no job prospects after being out of work so long. If you're without supportive family or very good friends that can help you back into the work place and into a social environment free of drugs then you're fucked.

EDIT: More amphetamine crap nonsense: We've also got the perfect storm for ketamine users to turn to smack. The K's gone up in price and ranges in quality while smack has done the opposite. I hope there aren't too many people who slide down this path but I know a few that have already.

Final word: Glad I'm not a heavy ketamine user anymore. My memory seems to have returned and I feel far more 'fresh'.
 
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Spit or swallow debate is it?

I would always swallow because what's there will be absorbed through the stomach, etc. and it's not even that bad!

At least it doesn't numb your nose,mouth and throat like Cocaine.
 
Vader said:
I'm not a physician, but I think it's safe to say that advising people not to smash a quarter of K every weekend is good HR. I'm sure that a gram here and there is fine, it's heavy, chronic use that leads to the (awful) side effects.
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yeah, and anyway, it's much more enjoyable when used in moderation. I went through a pretty excessive phase over easter and the futility of trying to reach anywhere near a hole was frustrating. Also, my sinuses became so blocked that lines were just falling out my nose. It's definitely a less is more thing.

Good to dabble every month or so. Then you can enter a k-hole that has you convinced the meaning of life is about to be explained. I know it's addictive, but the most beautiful k-hole is not worth squeezing blood out of your dick.
 
From experience, I'd suggest that bladder damage from K varies from person to person (as with most things probably). As an example, a mate of mine would be out every other weekend, Friday-Monday and consuming anything up to a half oz of k in the process. He's 'only' been carrying on in this fashion for about a year and he's fucked already, started pissing out some kind of congealed jelly like substance (his description I hasten to add, not mine!) and reckons the doctor told him to knock the k on the head post haste to avoid pissing into a bag. I assume it's a relatively common problem round Leeds area cos he said he didn't even tell the doctor about his antics and he just knew. Best not to take the chance IMO, everything in moderation and all that!
 
^I've heard a fair few of similar stories, some worse :/ & most around mid 20's pissing in bags, presumed it was relatively common all over uk from k abusers and was no more common in leeds than anywhere else!
 
scary shit. tolerance is wild with ket.

'ketamine bladder syndrome' must be common enough, i've heard a lot about it on different forums and also was on tv.

nasal damage is signification with k too.
 
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