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Ketamine: Can't K-hole
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tsohnboasms
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If your nose gets blocked, do some push ups and deep breathing for about a minute and then blow your nose and try again. It really works you know!
But yeah, perhaps try sniffing it right to the back of your nose and try and get it to drip straight away. I hate the taste of that shit.
I'd suggest using some N20 with the K though as well, that will definitely have you well on your way
But yeah, perhaps try sniffing it right to the back of your nose and try and get it to drip straight away. I hate the taste of that shit.
I'd suggest using some N20 with the K though as well, that will definitely have you well on your way
RoomforJello
Bluelighter
tsohnboasms:
Push ups on Ketamine seems like effort, but I'll give it a try. I was going to ask about N20 but wasn't sure, I've read about it being great with other trips but perhaps a large ketamine dose followed by a bowl then a balloon if the other methods in this thread fail me.
Toast and Jones:
Weed and Ketamine seem to enhance both positives of the drugs to me, the weed boosts the K euphoria and visuals and the K boosts the weeds "chill out/couch lock" and the random thoughts weed some times gives you, never really had much body load of ketamine. Never even felt nauseous except when I first tried it after eating some food.
Dev0r:
Maybe it is tolerance but its been ages since I touched MXE or any dissociatives so I would like to think my tolerance is pretty low if not non existent.
I'll maybe post this question in the MXE thread to see if others have had similar problems with holing and MXE use/abuse.
Push ups on Ketamine seems like effort, but I'll give it a try. I was going to ask about N20 but wasn't sure, I've read about it being great with other trips but perhaps a large ketamine dose followed by a bowl then a balloon if the other methods in this thread fail me.
Toast and Jones:
Weed and Ketamine seem to enhance both positives of the drugs to me, the weed boosts the K euphoria and visuals and the K boosts the weeds "chill out/couch lock" and the random thoughts weed some times gives you, never really had much body load of ketamine. Never even felt nauseous except when I first tried it after eating some food.
Dev0r:
Maybe it is tolerance but its been ages since I touched MXE or any dissociatives so I would like to think my tolerance is pretty low if not non existent.
I'll maybe post this question in the MXE thread to see if others have had similar problems with holing and MXE use/abuse.
Sherminator2
Bluelighter
REctal and Oral administration of ketamine is not very effective and up to 500mg+ is needed for a k hole. I have found the best way to K-hole without using a needle is to take the whole dose at once, take 200-300mg of ketamine and divide it into two lines. Snort one up each nostril into your sinuses making sure it stays in your nose without dripping down your throat. Turn off all the lights, have no music or quiet music with no lyrics, and lay down in bed. This should get you to a k-hole, and if not your only options are really to increase the dose (difficult since its hard to get any more powder than 200-300mg up your nose at once) or to consider IM injection (by far the best way to k-hole, but should only be done if you have sterile equipment and micron filters or access to sealed vials of ketamine).
Edit: Nitrous right after taking the lines can defintelly put you into a deeper K-hole, and smoking weed beforehand can also make holing easier. I find K is muuch more potent when I am on LSD or a tryptamine, and it is incredily easy to hole when already tripping. Phenethylamines don't work as well though, the stimulation makes it harder to get into the hole- but it's still a great combo.
Edit: Nitrous right after taking the lines can defintelly put you into a deeper K-hole, and smoking weed beforehand can also make holing easier. I find K is muuch more potent when I am on LSD or a tryptamine, and it is incredily easy to hole when already tripping. Phenethylamines don't work as well though, the stimulation makes it harder to get into the hole- but it's still a great combo.
RoomforJello
Bluelighter
Haha, it will be like learning my ABCs all over again. A-hole, B-hole, C-hole. But what happens when I get to the Z-hole?
Edit: and yes I know what you meant by getting deep in the A-hole lol.
phantomcosmonaut
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You probably have, but try alternating nostrils in various patterns. Or just take it all at once really quick. If you want to start mixing, weed makes me hole waaaaaaaaaay easier, psychedelics and K are fucking fantastic, and DXM might just be what you're looking for although I haven't tried this and would anticipate projectile vomiting. Both bud and psychedelics make the hole very trippy and easy for me. It seems very different for me every time too. Sometimes it takes 100mg to hole, sometimes 350mg, set/setting really is important I guess.
RoomforJello
Bluelighter
I've tried DXM solo before but haven't thought to mix with K, probably a nice combo. Yeah I've heard people talk about k and psychedelics being great. I have some nbome, but I'm not sure how safe that is on its own never mind combining it and others have stated it seems harder on phens than on traditional psychs, so I'll probably pass on that one and try and get some LSD, but have yet try that solo so it'll be a while, plus fuck nbome tolerance.
PS: Pure DXM powder gave me no nausea even up to a gram cough syrup/gels are another story and I can't seem to get DXM powder for a decent price unless its bulk and I feel like I don't really need a kg of DXM.
PS: Pure DXM powder gave me no nausea even up to a gram cough syrup/gels are another story and I can't seem to get DXM powder for a decent price unless its bulk and I feel like I don't really need a kg of DXM.
I wouldnt combine DXM with others as it's had nasty results for me. Especially when combined with 4-ho-met and 4-ho-det all together, talk about a confusing disaster.
Only thing I ever used to combine with DXM that worked normally with no harsh side effects was weed.
Only thing I ever used to combine with DXM that worked normally with no harsh side effects was weed.
Psichedelic
Bluelighter
Have you tried alternating nostrils with each line? Ket clogs them up fast if you go in too heavy.
RoomforJello
Bluelighter
Can't really get DXM at the minute(other than cough syrup) so won't be doing solo, and yeah DXM on its own can be confusing especially at higher doses.
And yeah I've tried alternated nostrils, but it still clogs both up pretty fast, but I think I just need to up the dose in each nostril like others have said rather than doing more bumps.
And yeah I've tried alternated nostrils, but it still clogs both up pretty fast, but I think I just need to up the dose in each nostril like others have said rather than doing more bumps.
plusfourpirate
Bluelighter
Before I finished reading your whole post my first question was going to be "have ya ever abused Mxe or any other more potent cyclohexamines..
I don't know enough about the psychopharmacology, but I do know my roomate abused Mxe for almost 2 yrs, hasn't touched it since July'12, and he can't hit
A hole to save his life. Top it off, iirc anasthetics are weight-dose based to a degree; I weigh almost twice as much as him, but he has to do 3 times what I do just to be affected.
Scary stuff
I don't know enough about the psychopharmacology, but I do know my roomate abused Mxe for almost 2 yrs, hasn't touched it since July'12, and he can't hit
A hole to save his life. Top it off, iirc anasthetics are weight-dose based to a degree; I weigh almost twice as much as him, but he has to do 3 times what I do just to be affected.
Scary stuff
Dr Mamba
Bluelighter
Was looking for taking K beside nasal, and I found rectal to be my favorite.
IM is dangerous (infection) and oral not effective.
You have to take 1.5 X the dose you would take nasaly.
Its more confortable, not all that saliva to manage, snorting, dripping, spitting, ... and I feels the effects subjectively more interesting.
You dont hole easyer with S isomer.
IM is dangerous (infection) and oral not effective.
You have to take 1.5 X the dose you would take nasaly.
Its more confortable, not all that saliva to manage, snorting, dripping, spitting, ... and I feels the effects subjectively more interesting.
You dont hole easyer with S isomer.
RoomforJello
Bluelighter
Hmm it could be MXE is the culprit here, I never really used for a long period of time but did take large amounts in that time period.
Also on the heavier side so yeah its probably both. But would like more people to confirm this cross tolerance with MXE/Ketamine.
I mean I know its there but the last time I used MXE was around 2-3 years ago, and I've used no dissociative since. Is MXE tolerance that bad?
Also was away from bluelight for a bit, still don't have any K to test other methods/doses yet but thanks again for the replies.
Also on the heavier side so yeah its probably both. But would like more people to confirm this cross tolerance with MXE/Ketamine.
I mean I know its there but the last time I used MXE was around 2-3 years ago, and I've used no dissociative since. Is MXE tolerance that bad?
Also was away from bluelight for a bit, still don't have any K to test other methods/doses yet but thanks again for the replies.
Mr. Meowfish
Bluelighter
The 1st question I have for you is..............Are you sure that what you're getting is ACTUAL Ketamine, and not something like NorEthylKetamine, or 2-MeO-Ketamine?? That could be a huge difference right there. I've read a LOT of reports of people not being able to get to where they're trying to go from the new Ketamine varieties that are available.
I will absolutely agree that part of your problem is Permanent Tolerance. Dissociatives have what I call a Lifetime Tolerance - where you can take long breaks and it will lower your tolerance considerably, it just never lasts. When I take a week or 2 off, I can do a 75-125mg bump of MXE and reach get mild hole effects - but even after 30+ days of NOT taking a Dissociative, I still always have a very high Permanent Baseline Tolerance which never really goes down much further. You get increased Sensitivity to the Psychedelic effects with abstinence, but you'll never get back to where a 50mg bump will do a whole lot for you. I would honestly recommend switching back over to MXE if you liked that buzz - it's SOOOO much easier to Hole or travel wherever you would like throughout Disco Land. If you think about it, technically speaking, 3-MeO-2-Oxo-PCE is just straight up CHEMICALLY SUPERIOR to it's original compound, Ketamine. I'll always be down for some Ket, but I could seriously do 1gram in 4 bumps over the course of 2-3 hours with no problems. I can do a 75mg shot of MXE and be in that sweet spot for 4-6 hours. That's just my preference tho - do what you do my friend. Ketamine does have it's own unique style that's quite different from MXE.
When you break up your large Rails into smaller bumps - that right there is part of why you aren't holing. You need to do the ENTIRE dose all at once, sniffing every line you plan on sniffing within 30seconds of one another. As soon as you do a bump of Ket, your Tolerance IMMEDIATELY starts to go up with every single hit that you take. Do a 50mg bump, and the next 50mg bump is going to feel more like a 25-30mg bump because of that QUICK Tolerance build up. If you're aiming for a Hole and aren't scared to visit it - just stick to sniffing enormous bumps all at once. I never put bumps into lines anymore just because of the way you NEED that super quick hit all at once to truly Hole off of Dissociatives after a while. I take the line I'm going to do, and I condense it into a very small and tall, Box shaped pile - usually 2 of them next to each other, each about 100-150mgs. When you sniff these boxes as opposed to long lines - it's like shooting a fucking bullet of Ket Powder up your nose, you can literally FEEL it hitting EVERY RECEPTOR in your sinus. Try doing that, one MASSIVE DOSE, All at Once, and put it in a tall pile instead of a line. Let me know what you think.
If that STILL doesn't work, and you don't want to try IM - you're next best bet my be trying something like how people Waterline Black Tar Heroin. You take your K, put it in a spoon with some water, you'll need some form of Syringe, but just for measuring and application. Take your desired amount of K, put it in the water in the spoon, stir it up or heat it up until all of it melts into solution, filter it thru a cotton to get rid of any junk in the solution, draw it up into an Oral Syringe and shoot the liquid up you nose. Then you just kind of keep the liquid closer to your Sinus's as opposed to swallowing it down. That would solve your problem of your nose clogging up and allow you to get a little more into your Sinus without clogging it up. Also, don't even waste your time with ORAL KETAMINE - it has a HORRIBLE BA when you take it like this, you WON'T HOLE unless you eat a fucking gram or some crazy shit, and it only lasts a LITTLE bit longer than snorting unlike other drugs taken orally which usually significantly lengthens the effects. Fuck Oral Ket, if you want an Oral Dissociative, fuck with DXM, MXE, or PCP. Way more worth while to eat for sure.
As far as your being Heavier - that may make a little bit of a difference, but fortunately, compared to other drugs, thanks to their Potency, Dissociatives can usually overcome most Body Pharmacology Issues raised by being heavier simply because they're so damn potent mg for mg. You don't really need to increase the dose THAT much just because you weigh a little bit more, it goes WAY more into your previous MXE usage. That's where your difficulty holing is coming from. It's like if you were to take Oxymorphone and Hydromorphone (Opana & Dilaudid) for 2 years and then expect to go back to taking Hydrocodone and Oxycodone and still be Well and not in Pain. It's just not going to happen because the 1st 2 drugs are SOOO much more potent than the 2nd two. Opiate and Dissociative Tolerance is actually a really good comparison because they build tolerance in such a similar way.
Once you're tolerant to Dissociatives, you will FOREVER need that One Big Hit to get to your desired location. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just something you have to keep in mind. The more tolerant I am to Disco's, the more comfortable I am in public using them so I don't have to just sit at home so I don't have to worry about slipping into a Hole out in public. I KNOW how much I need to take to Hole and by what ROA. I like having to TRY and get to a Hole instead of just slipping into one all of a sudden when at the Bar or wherever. It can be scary when it happens in public. Always be aware and be safe.
My last thought for Snorting was a trick me and an Ex-Friend used to do before we would do a huge Keta Bump trying to get back to the Hole............We would make a Pot Of Super Hot Tea on the Stove and both have a nice, warm, steaming cup prior to that Big Ass Keta Bump. It really helps Open Up and Clear Out your Sinus Cavity. It helps you get as much absorption as possible. Give it a go, even if it doesn't work - a nice warm cup of Tea is still nice for Re-Hydration prior to Holing out. Take care and have fun. Hope I helped you somehow - Mr. Meowfish
I will absolutely agree that part of your problem is Permanent Tolerance. Dissociatives have what I call a Lifetime Tolerance - where you can take long breaks and it will lower your tolerance considerably, it just never lasts. When I take a week or 2 off, I can do a 75-125mg bump of MXE and reach get mild hole effects - but even after 30+ days of NOT taking a Dissociative, I still always have a very high Permanent Baseline Tolerance which never really goes down much further. You get increased Sensitivity to the Psychedelic effects with abstinence, but you'll never get back to where a 50mg bump will do a whole lot for you. I would honestly recommend switching back over to MXE if you liked that buzz - it's SOOOO much easier to Hole or travel wherever you would like throughout Disco Land. If you think about it, technically speaking, 3-MeO-2-Oxo-PCE is just straight up CHEMICALLY SUPERIOR to it's original compound, Ketamine. I'll always be down for some Ket, but I could seriously do 1gram in 4 bumps over the course of 2-3 hours with no problems. I can do a 75mg shot of MXE and be in that sweet spot for 4-6 hours. That's just my preference tho - do what you do my friend. Ketamine does have it's own unique style that's quite different from MXE.
When you break up your large Rails into smaller bumps - that right there is part of why you aren't holing. You need to do the ENTIRE dose all at once, sniffing every line you plan on sniffing within 30seconds of one another. As soon as you do a bump of Ket, your Tolerance IMMEDIATELY starts to go up with every single hit that you take. Do a 50mg bump, and the next 50mg bump is going to feel more like a 25-30mg bump because of that QUICK Tolerance build up. If you're aiming for a Hole and aren't scared to visit it - just stick to sniffing enormous bumps all at once. I never put bumps into lines anymore just because of the way you NEED that super quick hit all at once to truly Hole off of Dissociatives after a while. I take the line I'm going to do, and I condense it into a very small and tall, Box shaped pile - usually 2 of them next to each other, each about 100-150mgs. When you sniff these boxes as opposed to long lines - it's like shooting a fucking bullet of Ket Powder up your nose, you can literally FEEL it hitting EVERY RECEPTOR in your sinus. Try doing that, one MASSIVE DOSE, All at Once, and put it in a tall pile instead of a line. Let me know what you think.
If that STILL doesn't work, and you don't want to try IM - you're next best bet my be trying something like how people Waterline Black Tar Heroin. You take your K, put it in a spoon with some water, you'll need some form of Syringe, but just for measuring and application. Take your desired amount of K, put it in the water in the spoon, stir it up or heat it up until all of it melts into solution, filter it thru a cotton to get rid of any junk in the solution, draw it up into an Oral Syringe and shoot the liquid up you nose. Then you just kind of keep the liquid closer to your Sinus's as opposed to swallowing it down. That would solve your problem of your nose clogging up and allow you to get a little more into your Sinus without clogging it up. Also, don't even waste your time with ORAL KETAMINE - it has a HORRIBLE BA when you take it like this, you WON'T HOLE unless you eat a fucking gram or some crazy shit, and it only lasts a LITTLE bit longer than snorting unlike other drugs taken orally which usually significantly lengthens the effects. Fuck Oral Ket, if you want an Oral Dissociative, fuck with DXM, MXE, or PCP. Way more worth while to eat for sure.
As far as your being Heavier - that may make a little bit of a difference, but fortunately, compared to other drugs, thanks to their Potency, Dissociatives can usually overcome most Body Pharmacology Issues raised by being heavier simply because they're so damn potent mg for mg. You don't really need to increase the dose THAT much just because you weigh a little bit more, it goes WAY more into your previous MXE usage. That's where your difficulty holing is coming from. It's like if you were to take Oxymorphone and Hydromorphone (Opana & Dilaudid) for 2 years and then expect to go back to taking Hydrocodone and Oxycodone and still be Well and not in Pain. It's just not going to happen because the 1st 2 drugs are SOOO much more potent than the 2nd two. Opiate and Dissociative Tolerance is actually a really good comparison because they build tolerance in such a similar way.
Once you're tolerant to Dissociatives, you will FOREVER need that One Big Hit to get to your desired location. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's just something you have to keep in mind. The more tolerant I am to Disco's, the more comfortable I am in public using them so I don't have to just sit at home so I don't have to worry about slipping into a Hole out in public. I KNOW how much I need to take to Hole and by what ROA. I like having to TRY and get to a Hole instead of just slipping into one all of a sudden when at the Bar or wherever. It can be scary when it happens in public. Always be aware and be safe.
My last thought for Snorting was a trick me and an Ex-Friend used to do before we would do a huge Keta Bump trying to get back to the Hole............We would make a Pot Of Super Hot Tea on the Stove and both have a nice, warm, steaming cup prior to that Big Ass Keta Bump. It really helps Open Up and Clear Out your Sinus Cavity. It helps you get as much absorption as possible. Give it a go, even if it doesn't work - a nice warm cup of Tea is still nice for Re-Hydration prior to Holing out. Take care and have fun. Hope I helped you somehow - Mr. Meowfish
RoomforJello
Bluelighter
Thanks for all that info Meow. Although a little disappointing to me, I'll still try to K-hole but I think it may take a lot considering my MXE usage, I mean my tolerance did get pretty ridiculous with that chemical, I like MXE but it can be very addictive so I am trying to stay away, but I'll probably cave when I can source some. I know ketamine can be addictive to but I don't find myself dosing all day everyday like I did with MXE and to be fair that probably came down to the availability of MXE, especially just before it was banned and it was cheap as well.
Yeah I already plan on doing a much larger dose in one or two lines, I think my first real attempt failed because of re-dosing rather than on big dose, then my second tolerance(to K), and then the third and fourth because my nose was blocked, MXE tolerance also probably played a part in all my attempts though.
I like ketamine at lower dosage as well, even the "sub-hole", where you don't get any real visuals but you just kinda lay there in a very neutral and peaceful head space, which is why I like it with weed, were all the random, usually stupid thoughts and ideas weed(for me at least) provides. Also nice when listening to music as well.
My next hole plan is to smoke a bowl(maybe have some tea like you suggested) then just go for a 250-350mg dose in one or two lines/bumps in close succession. All else failing I'll mix it with some psychedelics or nitrous(or maybe both if I feeling brave). Also I'm pretty sure its ketamine, I'm not familiar with nor-ethylketamine and such but from a supplier point of view its probably a lot easier/cheaper to buy and sell K than its more obscure analogues but then again I can't be 100% sure.
Another quick question to everyone, Is the feeling off weightlessness a usual effect when holing? Like I felt my body seemingly sink through my bed then just relax, I just remembered this happened after a large K dose and weed but it didn't really go anywhere else.
Yeah I already plan on doing a much larger dose in one or two lines, I think my first real attempt failed because of re-dosing rather than on big dose, then my second tolerance(to K), and then the third and fourth because my nose was blocked, MXE tolerance also probably played a part in all my attempts though.
I like ketamine at lower dosage as well, even the "sub-hole", where you don't get any real visuals but you just kinda lay there in a very neutral and peaceful head space, which is why I like it with weed, were all the random, usually stupid thoughts and ideas weed(for me at least) provides. Also nice when listening to music as well.
My next hole plan is to smoke a bowl(maybe have some tea like you suggested) then just go for a 250-350mg dose in one or two lines/bumps in close succession. All else failing I'll mix it with some psychedelics or nitrous(or maybe both if I feeling brave). Also I'm pretty sure its ketamine, I'm not familiar with nor-ethylketamine and such but from a supplier point of view its probably a lot easier/cheaper to buy and sell K than its more obscure analogues but then again I can't be 100% sure.
Another quick question to everyone, Is the feeling off weightlessness a usual effect when holing? Like I felt my body seemingly sink through my bed then just relax, I just remembered this happened after a large K dose and weed but it didn't really go anywhere else.
Mr. Meowfish
Bluelighter
^^^^^^ Going to agree once again. Weightlessness is definitely a feature of MXE hole experiences. It's almost like levitating above your body from a 3rd person perspective, it' s quite incredible honestly. This compound is something like the Philosopher's Stone for weird artistic people...........It's not even about doing drugs, it's about a quest for knowledge and understanding in this world of chaos. Somehow the chaotic nature of MXE evens out the craziness of life....it's like a balancing act or something. That's the biggest thing that MXE has taught me, in life, everything has to be in balance, it's a constant search for the perfect equilibrium. I've got some music that I think some of you MXE heads might appreciate. This cat is an emcee who wrote a rhyme about Plato's Philosophy...........It's just beautiful. If you've never heard of EYEDEA, you need to check this mother fucker out. I can't start talking about his story right now or I might start to cry, but, if you look it up for yourself, he was an AMAZING human being, Poet, and Philosopher. Listen to his music on MXE and ponder life. It's what I've been doing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1yPAEe4J8I
Writing rhymes about Plato's theory's..................pure beauty. Celebrate this man's life. He passed away October 16th, 2010. I've cried listening to his music before while on MXE..........He was so brilliant, but his life was cut short by Opiates. It makes me so fucking sad inside, but at the same time, inspires me to want to be a better human being and not throw my life away on something pointless like H. That's where the real therapy begins. Much love friends. - Meowfish out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1yPAEe4J8I
Writing rhymes about Plato's theory's..................pure beauty. Celebrate this man's life. He passed away October 16th, 2010. I've cried listening to his music before while on MXE..........He was so brilliant, but his life was cut short by Opiates. It makes me so fucking sad inside, but at the same time, inspires me to want to be a better human being and not throw my life away on something pointless like H. That's where the real therapy begins. Much love friends. - Meowfish out