Kahlua LSD mishap

[stillmind]

Stability of Kahlua LSD tabs

I had the opportunity to procure what a very experienced friend said was the best LSD he'd ever had. I immediately decided to invest in quite a few hits, wanting to stock up purely for personal use given the praise this acid had garnered.

The problem was it's liquid - specifically dissolved in Kahlua (the coffee liqueur). For various reasons (namely, convenience and stability) I wanted paper, so I got a sheet of heavy duty sketch pad paper and dropped two dozen hits on, spacing them out evenly so I could later cut out individual tabs.

In hindsight this seems to have been rather ill-advised. Where I deposited each drop on the paper there is this syrupy residue, which I'm guessing is sugar, corn syrup, and perhaps other ingredients in the Kahlua that presumably couldn't penetrate the paper.

I have a few questions:
- How stable do you think these homemade tabs will be? I was planning on storing some for more than a year. Might the syrupy residue go bad?
- How best to store them? Usually I put tabs in airtight vials in the freezer, not sure if this is the way to go here.
- Is there any reason to think the LSD would have completely penetrated the paper, leaving only the Kahlua at the surface, or do you think the LSD would be present in the syrupy residue? Basically I'm wondering if I just scrape off and discard the residue, will I lose a significant amount of LSD?

Also a more general question: how consistent is liquid dosing when dispensed via a glass dropper?

Any other advice to mitigate the effects of my stupidity would be much appreciated. Thanks - s/m

 

[PepperSocks]

Obviously vodka would be better but I don't see anything immedately wrong with stability in kahlua.

The syrupy residue itself might go bad and grow nasties though; I'd put it in the freezer if I were you.

LSD is water/alcohol soluble so it will be present wherever there was previously liquid. If you scrape off the residue, you'll be scraping off LSD.

This is indeed a strange case and I am pulling at straws; I think your best bet is to take your hits (known number) and dissolve them in a known volume of vodka. Put them in a container containing a known volume of vodka and start cutting away at the paper, trying to extract everything you can. You can calculate how much liquid contains a hit from the number of hits you put in and how much vodka you used to dissolve.

Hope that helps.

 

[Changed]

lsd and kahlua... the dude would certainly abide.

 

[Roger&Me]

I'm confused as to how the LSD got in the kahlua. Did they dissolve crystal into kahlua instead of vodka, or did someone just pour their vile into their coffe liqeuer? Instead of a white russian you can have a rainbow russian! :D

Dropping the kahlua onto paper to make "tabs" is a bad idea though, I'm fairly certain that it will result in a loss of potency.

 

[any major dude]

lsd and kahlua... the dude would certainly abide.

ha... well it seems to me the simplest thing to do would be to put the whole kahlua paper mess into some type of airtight and lightproof container and store in the freezer.

Guess this is a little bit late now, but why not just store the kahlua in the freezer to begin with?

Dissolving in vodka would also work, but probably result in some loss of product. If i were going to use this method i'd go with reagent grade ethanol or everclear.

 

[stillmind]

Obviously vodka would be better but I don't see anything immedately wrong with stability in kahlua.

The syrupy residue itself might go bad and grow nasties though; I'd put it in the freezer if I were you.

LSD is water/alcohol soluble so it will be present wherever there was previously liquid. If you scrape off the residue, you'll be scraping off LSD.

This is indeed a strange case and I am pulling at straws; I think your best bet is to take your hits (known number) and dissolve them in a known volume of vodka. Put them in a container containing a known volume of vodka and start cutting away at the paper, trying to extract everything you can. You can calculate how much liquid contains a hit from the number of hits you put in and how much vodka you used to dissolve.

Hope that helps.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'm unclear though what exactly the benefit would be. I would presumably wind up with a solution containing vodka, kahlua (now diluted) and LSD. Is the benefit that I now have the LSD evenly distributed in solution, so I could then create my own tabs more precisely by soaking a sheet? Or is that it would be better to preserve in this medium?

Also, when you say cutting away at the paper, you mean just sort of tearing it up while it's in the solution to aid the extraction?

Thanks again for the help.

 

[stillmind]

I'm confused as to how the LSD got in the kahlua. Did they dissolve crystal into kahlua instead of vodka, or did someone just pour their vile into their coffe liqeuer? Instead of a white russian you can have a rainbow russian! :D

Dropping the kahlua onto paper to make "tabs" is a bad idea though, I'm fairly certain that it will result in a loss of potency.

Yes, my understanding is that the crystal was dissolved in Kahlua.

Also I'm curious - why exactly would their be loss of potency? Do you mean actually dropping the kahlua would cause the loss, or storing it on paper over time?

 

[PepperSocks]

I mean stick the kahlua paper in the vodka, stick scissors in the liquid and start chopping away.

The advantage is you will know how many hits are in X units of vodka. Say you use 1mL of vodka for every hit; take 2mL for a 2 hit experience.

Why do you want to lay blotter so badly? Your situation is messed as it is. Just salvage what you have and keep it in the vodka solution. When you take your dose, just measure out the desired amount of liquid and swallow.

 

[stillmind]

I mean stick the kahlua paper in the vodka, stick scissors in the liquid and start chopping away.

The advantage is you will know how many hits are in X units of vodka. Say you use 1mL of vodka for every hit; take 2mL for a 2 hit experience.

Why do you want to lay blotter so badly? Your situation is messed as it is. Just salvage what you have and keep it in the vodka solution. When you take your dose, just measure out the desired amount of liquid and swallow.

Thanks PepperSocks. That makes sense. I want blotter for convenience and stability - my understanding is that LSD degrades more rapidly in solution. But I may try your route. One thing though - wouldn't some of the LSD be reabsorbed by the paper (or never leave it)? Why would all the LSD necessarily go from the paper to the solution?

Also a tangential question: how consistent is a glass eyedropper in measuring doses?

 

[PepperSocks]

^ not very. Droplet sizes vary. (That sounded funny )

For LSD it's okay though a little +- isn't going to really matter a whole lot if your take 2+ hits.

The LSD in the paper will go into the liquid, it's soluble in it. Chopping up the paper in the liquid helps this.

K, think of it like this; when you steep a tea bag in water, caffeine and other stuff leaves the tea bag. Does is leave the water and re-enter the tea bag? No, but there's still minuscule amounts of stuff left in the tea bag. Same deal with a piece of LSD infused paper.

 

[stillmind]

^ not very. Droplet sizes vary. (That sounded funny )

For LSD it's okay though a little +- isn't going to really matter a whole lot if your take 2+ hits.

The LSD in the paper will go into the liquid, it's soluble in it. Chopping up the paper in the liquid helps this.

K, think of it like this; when you steep a tea bag in water, caffeine and other stuff leaves the tea bag. Does is leave the water and re-enter the tea bag? No, but there's still minuscule amounts of stuff left in the tea bag. Same deal with a piece of LSD infused paper.

Thanks for explaining - that makes sense. Last question: how long should I let this particular paper steep for?

 

[hamhurricane]

leave it to a 4-AcO-DMT fiend like stillmind to find himself in such a predicament!

let the paper steep in a soln.of distilled H2O (95 degrees farenheight) for exactly 27 min, during this time monitor the pH CONTINUOUSLY making adjustments with sodium hydroxide or dilute hydrochloric acid as needed, agitate CAREFULLY every seven minutes not shaking so vigorously as to create an emulsion...

 

[busted bones]

I'll admit Im a bit ignorant in this area of LSD dtorage but to the post above me, would you please explain why for each of those steps? Im curious and want to learn more

 

[PepperSocks]

Damn you hamhurricane

He's being sarcastic everyone. It's not an exact science at all.

I'd use vodka, I'll leave the ratio of vodka/dose up to you to figure out. That's totally a personal preference thing, but don't bother with the eyedropper thing. To get it so that one LSD hit (square of paper) is in 1 drop would mean you would have to use such a small amount of liquid that it would be awkard to work with and likely not do a good job at extracting.

As for how long? I don't see it getting any stronger after a day of steeping. Just put it in some 40% vodka at room temperature, cut the paper up while it's in the liquid and let it sit. Stir it up every few hours to help it out a bit.

 

[stillmind]

leave it to a 4-AcO-DMT fiend like stillmind to find himself in such a predicament!

let the paper steep in a soln.of distilled H2O (95 degrees farenheight) for exactly 27 min, during this time monitor the pH CONTINUOUSLY making adjustments with sodium hydroxide or dilute hydrochloric acid as needed, agitate CAREFULLY every seven minutes not shaking so vigorously as to create an emulsion...

The telltale rantings of a mind twisted like a pretzel from regular insufflation of 2C-B... everyone knows one should agitate the mixture every nine minutes, not seven.