Benzos K-pins and WD???!

[Aphex747]

yea valium has a longer half life than kpin. taper with those.

 

[Toz]

Ok thanks for the info.. How long was the wd for you? How long did it last? And how bad was it? Are u clean now?

I've come off clonazepam a couple of times before. 6 weeks is not long, if it was me I would probably just stop abruptly or taper it really fast if it was too bad (like a week or so). 1mg is not that big a dose. Physical withdrawal from clonazepam for me has lasted anywhere from 1 to 3 weeks. Rebound withdrawal symptoms seems to have a way to occur randomly out of nowhere after that for some months if you have been on it longer (6 weeks should not cause this).

 

[RobotRipping]

i've withdrawed from clonazepam a few times; it's extremely long, won't even hit you until day 3-4. The funny thing is that i don't really get anxiety during benzo withdrawal, i just go completely delusional. I guess that's my psyche's way of protecting itself from the horror. Either way, taper with diazepam, 1mg for 6 weeks probably won't produce any withdrawal IME. I've gone cold turkey off 10mg/day, now that will fuck you.

 

[budsnbars712]

I took kpins for a bit before, similar to xanax but lasts a little longer, 6 weeks isnt that long but it is probably long enough to experience little withdrawal. Like stated before though, can be dangerous for some people. Valium is the best benzodiazapine to taper any other benzodiazapine with. Its a little "weaker" in my experience so u should be absolutely fine.

 

[crazycatman]

It shouldn't be to bad if you taper down slowly, your dose and length of time weren't that long. That being said some people are more susceptible to it than others so nobody can give you a 100% answer.

Since you say you have 10 0.5mg pills left, I would do a short taper of 5 days at 0.5mg and then 10 days at 0.25mg.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

You said you have a bunch of 10mg valiums, so If I were you.. I'd drop the clonazepam and switch over to the diazepam, tapering with those. The longer half-life of the valium is much better suited for kicking. If you were to show up at a residential detox facility for example, they wouldn't continue to give you clonazepam.. they would set you up on a diazepam or lorazepam taper.

However, it is totally possible to taper with the klon's.. lettuce set you up with a pretty sweet schedule. Your choice.. just whatever taper you decide to do, make sure you stick to it and you'll come out okay.

 

[i are spectre]

man i must be lucky as hell, clonazepam is a breeze. valium is the killer. i figured it was because of all those metabolites effecting so many areas whereas clonazepam has no metabolites from what i am told.

 

[shreddedlettuce]

Had no idea you had 10 valium as well.

If I had that information before I posted my reply, it wouldn't have changed the taper that much, but it was something that you should have told me.

Valium and Clonazepam are used for tapering benzos.
I know there are people who prefer clonazepam to taper with.

In the beginning if the clonazepam helped you then tapering with clonazepam would be fine, for you.

As a side note you say you have 10 valium. But you don't mention the strength of those tablets.
They could be 2mg, 5mg or 10mg tablets.
I'm going to take a guess and think that they are probably 5mg valium.

Don't use the valium while you are tapering using the schedule I posted as it will screw up the taper.

As someone mentioned SAVE those valiums.

Keep us up to date on how things are going.

You have enough medication to get off benzos without any major withdrawals. Just start the taper now. It sounds like you have gone through a few days without taking any, so this is probably the reason you are feeling like you are almost having a panic attack (this is exactly the reason why you shouldn't just stop taking benzos cold turkey).

Start the taper and now.
Stop thinking about what might happen.

Just keep us up to date and if at some point things start to get a bit "shakey" don't stress, just post what is happening and we will help you. You have everything you need to have, to get off benzos pretty easily.

 

[Kratomcody]

Thanks.. I am stopping tomorrow -- I think instead of tapering. I will try and just take one .5mg of klon tomorrow.. Then stop. I will update u next wk... Thanks for all your help.

Robot, how long we're u on kpins in a row for ur wd to last 3 wks

Also since I was only on it 6 wks info remember there were some wks I would take it only during the wk and not the wkd... Not sure if that helps? Would it? Also, shouldn't I stop now rather than taper and have that pill for 1-2 or so more wks

 

[jeah]

it's so crazy. some people have littl/no withdrawl (added anxiety, insomnia) some have moderate (same but more severe, plus a few weeks of feeling "off") and some get severe insomnia and anxiety for months + a decent chance at a grand mal seizure. this is for someone who has been taking 2mg of klonopin for a year. something like that just an estimate. when benzo's replaced barbituates this horrible withdrawl was not anticipated. hell my doctor told me I could just quit after 4mg/day for 2 years. this was in 2003. he is one of the best psychiatrists in florida. I followed an intense taper schedule and STILL had a grand mal seizure trying to come off. I think it was b/c I had only slept 2 hours the night before and was really excited about something. anyway, it sucked.

 

[chrisalt]

Thanks so much. I also have several 10 mg valium would those come in handy?

if u have several of those 10 mgs valiums then ur fine man.

1 mg of clonzepam = 20 mgs valium/diazepam

Taper like this if you are stable at 1 mg of clonazepam.

2-3 days -15 mgs of valium

2-3 days- 10 mgs of valium

2-3 days- 5 mgs of valium

2-3 days- 2.5 mgs of valium

then its Done and man never take a benzo again. They are truly evil drugs. im so fucking addicted to benzos i have gone through W/ds 3 times after using for years straight. One time i went cold turkey off 4-6 mgs of clonazepam a day for 2 years and im surprised i didnt have a grand mal seizure. Scary shit man.

best of luck in staying away.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

That's not a bad taper plan at all. It was very similar to how the last detox I was in would ween the benzo addicts.

 

[totach]

You know whats funny when i first started messing with xanax i would come post here if i will have withdrawl if i use xanax for 2 weeks at night for sleep.

Then 2 weeks after that id make a new post asking if i will have withdrawl if i take xanax for 4 weeks and so on and so on till it was like 2 years later and i was still taking them.

In my experience i would say that benzo w/d like real benzo w/d takes alittle while of using to get i do not think six weeks of dosing once per day at either .5mg or 1mg would cause w/d if u did feel any w/d i would think it was more mental.

I do not think that you would have a seizure or anything terrible like that maybe just some rebound anxiety and alittle sleep issues.

Im sure if you stop now you have nothing to worry about but if u continue for another month or two then its a diffrent story.

Benzo w/d is no fun man i only quit cuz i got court mandated to 1 year treatment and drug tests and trust me benzo w/d is hell especially since i had opiate and benzo w/d together and i could not cheat forshit i had to do str8 cold after 4 days of detox.

If you are worried on your last day of kpins take a 10mg valium one time and thats it no need to taper in my opinion . If you do feel really bad after a couple days u can take 5mg valium once or twice.

Good Luck

 

[Bomb319]

In my experience, relatively short term benzo wd is extremely overhyped. One time I scored a whole bottle of one hundred 2 mg clonazepam. After a month of constant abuse, some days up to 3 at a time for six mg, I had very little trouble stopping. It was nothing noteworthy. Perhaps one night of slight anxiety and dissociation and one night of fairly bad insomnia and that was completely all. This is also completely cold turkey. With your dose and the fact you have some others on hand, it should be negligible. I would just use half a mg tonight and tomorrow then stop entirely. At that point, if you do have severe anxiety take the smallest amount of whatever benzo you have left, accept the fact that you prob won't sleep great for a couple days and its no big deal, and you will be totally fine.

Disclaimer: long term and/or heavy dose benzo wd is COMPLETELY different. You absolutely MUST taper according to dr orders or you risk seizures and death.

 

[RobotRipping]

Robot, how long we're u on kpins in a row for ur wd to last 3 wks

like 6 months or so, i quit once after 1 month and had no issues but after 6 months my gaba system was fucked. Now after having much longer habits than that, 3 weeks would be a walk in the park. From extreme benzo abuse you can expect a recovery lasting from 1-2 years. Don't fuck around with them.

 

[jeah]

11 years here.. can't wait! oh my.

 

[Kratomcody]

Ok thank u all. I know ppl are different but when would the kpin wd start? Say I stop taking it tomorrow at noon and take a .5 mg then stop when would it kick in? Average?

Can the supplement GABA help for wd

 

[tricomb]

No, you can't just abruptly discontinue clonazepam. You must taper, why are you resisting the taper all of a sudden?

 

[Dagda Mochta]

yea, why are you still asking? you've already been given all the information and opinions you need. at this point it seems like you're just gonna keep using till you run out and hope for the best... which could go smoothly, but could also be very uncomfortable to say the least. no one can tell how you're body will react to the withdrawal.

trust me, i know how it is, im not hating on you. but you've been advised to taper just to be safe. if you down want to heed the warnings, whats the point now?

again, im not hating, and in all honesty you shouldnt have any problems, but do you really want to take the chance?

whatever you decide, i wish you the best. benzo w/d is the absolute WORST. even in thee absence of physical symptoms, the pych w/d is hell too. good luck dude.

 

[Kratomcody]

I understand the taper but I really want to get off. So I was wondering if it would be good to keep that in my system for 2 more wks tapering that's all.