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JWH-18 Overdose > Psychosis !!

Guyssss this stuff isn't pot, even if you are a stoner that doesn't mean you can handle a large dose of pure jwh. To me it just sounds like some of you can't handle the intensity of it or your just dosing way too high. I've never smoked pure jwh just because I haven't taken the time to find a good source, but I have smoked a lot of the spice blends and I can understand the anxiety and paranoia you all speak of. Its not too bad to me just because I can calm myself easily, but I can imagine how bad it would feel to ingest a high mg dose.
 
I got in a near death car accident about a year ago from drinking and driving

I was doing 80 and sideswiped a pole and broke 13 bones, wasn't breathing when the amb came because both of my lungs colasped, they put this thing in my throat to breath for me, my lungs ended up healing and I was in coma for a month after the accident, ever since then I get really really nervous when i'm around alot of people, doc's been giving me Klonopin since, I can't sleep so I get SEROQUEL, helps me sleep and the klonopin help with my anxiety
 
MaW said:
I got in a near death car accident about a year ago from drinking and driving

I was doing 80 and sideswiped a pole and broke 13 bones, wasn't breathing when the amb came because both of my lungs colasped, they put this thing in my throat to breath for me, my lungs ended up healing and I was in coma for a month after the accident, ever since then I get really really nervous when i'm around alot of people, doc's been giving me Klonopin since, I can't sleep so I get SEROQUEL, helps me sleep and the klonopin help with my anxiety
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Sorry to hear that, but are you sure this is the right thread?
 
ganjadave420 said:
Yo I went into cardiac arrest this shit is crazy!! I have smoked pot for 11 yrs I grow the shit Im live in cali I smoke some of the best nugg. I took three hits off this stuf called Voodoo Magic spice blend got realy paranoid my heart was pounding I then passed out my mom heard me fall to the ground she then called 911 and this shit damn near killed me I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS TO ANY ONE my heart stop one time and they used the paddle to bring me back I woke up in the ER and my heart rate was at 120 and BP was at 150/60 very dangerous stuff not worth your life FUCK SPICE AND JWH-018. I am very lucky to be alive today please don't do that shit it just bnot worth what can happen.
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Settle a bet for my friend and I. Troll or voodoo magic vendor?
 
Tried a large eyeballed dose, massive full on psychedelic experience, heavy delusions, elaborate in scope, things about the secret military,itsy-bitsy spider and dimensional folding, just way out there, was running around my apt covering mirrors to seal them as portals against the space folding mirror agents.
This was one of many intricate delusions that played out over the next hour or two, excellent closed eye visuals, and a constant choir of voices of various sex and accent commenting on every item I looked at, it was an intense ride into delusional introspection, jwh-18 was unexpected and intense I can see why it is freaking kids out, I love it, I am excited to try the others, the 73 was more mellow body high and maybe a better place to start.
I feel fine bty no lingering noticeable side effects other than perhaps my dreams have been more colored and memorable since then.
This stuff can bring the fear for sure, it's a short ride though, at least for me and my friends so far.
I should mention we had been smoking the 73 and the 18 in very light doses, to mild effect for a day or three before I awoke early and eyed out a fat one, I knew the fear was in there I just had not been able to get to it.
Once I finnally got a large hit using a glass bulb style vape pipe and a gas stove the high came hard and fast, I tried to check my mails on the intertubes it was no go I preformed the sufi purification breaths of the elements to massive closed eye visuals and mental verbal chatter, I think this could be an amazing meditation tool as it forced a heavy introspection yet followed cues, with some discipline I think it could be guided with set and setting and be a useful tool, it should be treated with respect surely but I highly reccomend it to people with some experience with psychonautic adventure and should find a home in that tool kit, I love it's legality, nice experience, I am looking foreward to trying the rest, good luck all, cheers!
Holomos~
 
RegisteredUser said:
Vukani, how do you feel now?

I feel alright, took Jwh and overdosed also. panic attacks, anxiety, sweats, paranoia, psychosis the works... it's been a month and everything's been returning to normal except I have tons of muscle twitches, been nauseous, muscles get sore easy.

Do the muscle spasms ever go away? :\



Vukani@Registered User: It's now been almost a year. I have taken up Kayaking and mountain biking and feel fine. (No affects afterwards as previously described) I still on occasion get small muscle twitches but nothing to concern me. (eyelid twitching for a few hours, or twitching in my leg etc. Most people do get twitching anyway) But this is occasional like I said. My nervousness is completely gone. One thing I can recommend is I started taking Magnesium tablets, Dandelion tablets. This helped alot as it supports a healthy nervouse system. You may try it. I also stopped drinking coffee after 12 noon(I used to be a huge coffee junkie). One thing to remember is, you WILL get better does not matter how bad and anxious you feel. This will be my last post. To everyone who posted their advice and expereinces on this page, massive thank you! Just to have the knowledge that others went through what I went through and got better kept me going. Good luck and respect the mind....
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so how are you guys doing whove gone through/been going through this synthetic cannabinoid post traumatic/general anxiety crap?

ive been going through it for about 4 months now and while i am quite a bit better than i was initially, i still feel bad most days. my symptoms include anxiety, pressure in my head (mostly left side), weakness/pressure in my left arm/shoulder, the inability to concentrate/focus to my normal capacity, some racing thoughts, insomnia sometimes and a few other minor things. this is really taking its toll on me and freakin cant wait to be back to normal.

i want to thank you guys for sharing your stories because i think if i felt alone on this, i would be majorly freaking out by now. i had an mri done about 6 weeks ago and it came out fine. im doing my best to get over this as far as good diet and exercise but i can not believe how long it lasts!

peace yall,

jackie
 
anybody know the strongest brand of "spice"? not looking for sources but there are so many different brands now its ridiculous. I get a brand called Bonzai that is very strong. Much stronger then K2 and the other knock offs i bought. Anybody tried Cloud 9?
 
Man that sounds really rough. I use JWH all the time I've used it in both crystal/powder and spice mix. I actually got the crystal first tryin to save myself a few bucks but it's just way to strong to do by it self. I have really nice diamond scales that go down to like 1mg and that stuff is still hard to dose.

RC always interest me I don't know why but I'm always drawn to them. I OD'd once too when I first got the powder. I measured out a mg on my scales and then cut it in half. and nothing happened so I kept stepping it up thinking I had been ripped off. Well I guess I wasn't waiting long enough between doses cause by the time I started to feel something it was way to late I'd later find out that this stuff works much slower in the body than thc so I should have waited like 15 minutes between doses to be sure.

Anyway what started out fun got worse and worse and I eventually got really scared I was trying to talk myself down and tell myself I'd be OK but It kept getting worse my vision was fucked, like someone was turn the light off and on. I only had control of my body every other second I just kept reminding myself in an hour you'll be half as high as you are now.

I couldn't string 3 words together, but I knew I should drink some water and try to lay down. My GF was trying to get me to help her make the bed but I was totally fucked I was absolutly good for nothing. My heart beat was irregular and although there was this really calm rational voice in my head telling me that there was a 90% I was OK the other 10% was screaming his ass off "YOU"RE GUNNA DIE!!!"

I kept thinking "I should have called the ambulance like 45 minutes ago" "it's already too late" shit like that every flash of the "light switch" which turned on and off my motor functions and vision sent an incredible pain through every nerve in my body. Like a strobe light of torture like I was being electrocuted by a metronome.

I had all sorts of childhood memories and everyone of them came in a flash of the "switch" and I started thinking that maybe everything was just pain. That all of our senses and all our memories are just pain scarring our mind. I wanted it to stop so bad.

Anyway by this time I was laying on my back not really aware of my existence let alone my surroundings. The next thing I know my GF was shaking me awake. She said my breath was really slow and quite and she was afraid I had stopped breathing. I don't know maybe I did. She later told me I was sweating buckets, incredibly pale and I had large deep purple bags under my eyes. I was still really out of ok but there wasn't the shocking ok pain through my body anymore, more like I was just really high. I'm not sure how long I had been sleeping maybe something like and hour and a half to two hours? Any way I was feeling much better but definitely not back to normal more like the highest I have ever been in my life. I mumbled something to her letting her know I was ok and I fell right back to sleep.

My story is different in what happened next: The next morning I felt perfectly fine. Like Perfectly! Maybe even better than fine, maybe great. No hangover, no sickness, nothing! I had read that the chemical was likely nontoxic but now I was pretty sure of it. You'd think after a horrible "life-flashing-before-your-eyes, should-have-gone-to-the-hospital-hours-ago" kind of thing you'd feel sick as hell like you were poisoned or something. At least a headache, and yet I had nothing. I've done this substance a hundred times since, In fact I've given up pot completely. I smoke JWH probably 4-6 times a week and I find it very enjoyable. It's definitely easy to get way to high, but I've never experienced anything like I did that day and I've never had another problem since.

To TMN: These days I use Siberian Sneak because the raw chemical is just to strong and to difficult to deal with and SS is really pleasurable and right on the money.
 
I have seen a lot of people saying the exact same thing about jwh-18. It caused them to have horrible anxiety for months after use even though they had no prior anxiety symptoms
 
I recently smoked JWH 018 daily for a around two weeks and didn't come across any negative effects. A friend of mine makes his own spice-like product with a kit he ordered out of state.

The effects come on quick (smoking), you peak quickly, and then around 45-60 mins later you drop back to base suddenly. Which I liked.
 
cr250owner said:
Guyssss this stuff isn't pot, even if you are a stoner that doesn't mean you can handle a large dose of pure jwh. To me it just sounds like some of you can't handle the intensity of it or your just dosing way too high. I've never smoked pure jwh just because I haven't taken the time to find a good source, but I have smoked a lot of the spice blends and I can understand the anxiety and paranoia you all speak of. Its not too bad to me just because I can calm myself easily, but I can imagine how bad it would feel to ingest a high mg dose.
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Please pass the word on. Both THC and JWH are CB1 and CB2 agonists.

Here is the most important part you all need to learn:

JWH-018 and many in the JWH family are full agonists on the CB1 receptor. So, unlike THC, you CAN OVERDOSE AND DIE ON JWH-018. I recommend you READ as many online documents about JWH and study up on what can happen if your CB1 receptors are all maxed out.


THat is all... enjoy your day.
 
This is why people should stay away from RC's :/ if it hasn't been studied, don't put it in your body.

EDIT: Oh it's a synthetic cannabinoid, I knew it sounded familiar.

This is at least the 3rd story I've read about someone having severe side effects from synthetic cannabinoids, and if I remember correctly they were similiar to this one. I remember one guy was talking about panic attacks and extremely severe headaches.

People should stay away from RC's and anything else that hasn't been studied.
 
Hey guys, I had a similar experience the other evening. I had been smoking the JWH-073 at about 3% per batch, then I got the JWH-18 and the 200, and eventually I went back to the JWH-018 this was all in about a 3 week period of time. Well at this point I decided that the premixed wasn't good enough so I started throwing on a small amount of the powder straight onto the bowl of premixed herbal I was smoking.
I would put anywhere from a rice grain sized bump on there. In two months time I went through 36 grams of premixed herbal and 5 grams of the solid or powdered JWH-018. So I was smoking this stuff this way about 10-15 times a night, for about 5 weeks; often times drinking beer pretty heavily on top of that approx 10-12 beers from around 7pm until about 4 the following morning. Well that went on until 4 1/2 days ago.
This was when I decided I wasn't getting quite high enough anymore I assumed I was just building a tolerance to it, so my solution was to add a bunch more. I decided to start putting on about 2-3 rice grains worth. At about 12:30am this last Thursday night I started feeling like I was beginning to hallucinate shortly after hitting the bowl by about 2am I was full blown fucked up!. I managed to calm myself down and talk myself through it and go to bed after drinking a few beers.
The next day came I woke up really late in the day around 3pm thinking that I had caught my brothers respiratory infection from smoking after him which he was given antibiotics for. I had never experienced any anxiety or panic attacks before so that is why "I thought I was sick mixed with a bad hangover". I had all of the following symptoms :

* Numbness covering the topical areas of my entire body especially noticeable in the areas of the Head, Groin, Spine, and Feet.

Other symptoms included:
* Nausea, Itchy, my eyes weren't Dilating properly, and then the onset of something I have never had before in my life Anxiety, and a severe panic attack with loss of breath.

So needless to say I felt like complete Hell! and went rite back to bed, where I stayed until Saturday around 10am. I haven't eaten anything by this point all I have done is drink water and sleep.
I had to help my brother and his family move on Saturday, attend a birthday party for my friends daughter and then get my son to an event that he had to attend at 7pm. I felt really rough by now and thought I'd love to just pass out and wake up a new better day.
I was forced to stay awake and endure complete misery for about 6 more hours until 12am when I could pick him up and bring him home. I got to bed around 1am, after drinking about 3 beers because at this point I couldn't seem to fall asleep. The next day I woke up on Sunday to feel pretty good except for the numbness this was around 930am felt numbness all day nausea a few times and still absolutely no appetite, accompanied by everything tasting like shit.
This brings us to Today where I have been plagued by Confusion, Anxiety, shortness of breath, Topical numbness, and one good Panic attack this afternoon around 2pm that was real tough to handle this time. My buddy came over here about 2hrs ago around 9pm and gave me a couple 2MG zanax told me to "Break them up into 1/4 sections each and try a 1/2 MG each time you feel the onset and see if it helps you."
I followed his instructions and sat there hanging out talking with him for a couple hours. So far it seems to have helped alot with the paranoid anxious edge that comes with this obvious "Over Dose". I still cant feel my skin worth shit. Also like I mentioned before the effects are especially noticable in certain areas of the body the groin is one of them, so needless to say my junk is broken!
I am going on day five without the slightest start of an erection, Not Good! So yeah, its self medicating but zanax do help! I wouldn't go taking them and drinking as we all know what that does. If you can get to a doctor and tell them what you are going through and what you did they will hook you up with a script to help you out. And they wont say shit to you just tell them the truth. The shit was legal when you bought it so...

Question: Anyone else that has gone through this shit: Does the numbness ever go away? Or, is this permanent nerve damage from the central nervous system being repeatedly attacked? Or is this just a temporary circulation issue caused by the brain to protect itself by shutting down certain areas of the body and as the surplus chemicals wear off the numbness will also wear off? Any opinions, or even first hand experience from some of you that have survived and endured this shit will be greatly appreciated.

Please Help me! I need someone to talk to about this shit.
 
I suggest getting xanax, and taking .5MGS a day and see if that helps. I'd much rather take benzos for a few months to ease the psychosis, not sure if it'd help, but it's worth a try...
 
I would love to know actually myself if the OP is good now. I sure hope so as I can tell you that I wouldn't wish this OD on anyone ! I am re posting today to check up its now been 5 days. Today I started to have a mild anxiety onset I took .5mg of xanax at 9:30am and I have been okay for the remainder of the day so far. And I can today for the first time feel my Junk woke up with wood sorry maybe TMI but thought some would really like to know that the feeling came back. I would say that I am about 55-60% better ATM. Earlier today I was probably around 70%. This to me is an incredible improvement words cant even explain how much of an improvement it is.

Okay and in response to the selfish comment, I can see that being a possibility in some. For myself it was being told that it was very similar to pot and that it wasn't addictive and that it was LEGAL!<-----------=This was My main allure, I am a family guy that just smokes pot occasionally and drinks some beer. I gave up all the HC drugs when I was in my mid 20's. I am in my 30's now and I had no Idea what I was getting into I was sure from all the local hype and the few forums I was told to go check it out at that this shit was fairly safe.

Well I was a Fucking Idiot!

Anyone that gives a shit about themselves at all, that would never consider using shit like METH: Heres my advice to you stay the fuck away from this shit and the 200,250,073,018 ETC... they are all the same shit with a few Carbon molecules moved around, I have since done extensive research into this and all similar chemicals I could find and allot of this shit is processed using "Anhydrous Ammonia Gas" which is one of the main ingredients used to create Crystal Meth; which IMO tends to completely ruin every life it touches http://www.tannerind.com/anhydrous-ammonia.html <------Link in case you wondered how bad this anhydrous really is. This shit after continued abuse will leave lesions on your brain, sometimes as big as a golf ball eventually it kills you"FACT". Okay I'm done preaching sorry but I personally have never been okay with Meth and I'm straight pissed that I unknowingly and stupidly started using this shit without knowing it was in there. I hope that this helps anyone. It will slowly get better if you just STOP using it, I cant tell you if you will get 100% but at least you will get some peace and relaxation back. Today is also the first day I was able to interact properly with my new baby son something I cant believe I almost robbed him of. I will personally never touch this shit again I flushed 1.5 G of the Powdered 18 and 6 g of the premix down my toilet last night to make sure of it. I'll post back periodically to update my health status. Thanks for the replies guys.
 
I think that link i sent was not the correct one tells you about the anhydrous ammonia gas but doesn't really tell you much other than what the CHEM is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Symptoms_of_hyperammonemia.svg <-----this is a disorder you can get from toxic levels of ammonia in your system which happens regularly in frequent meth users and will probably be found in regular users of this shit also. This disorder explains about 80% of the symptoms I was having as its own symptoms. Coincidence? Probably not. Just my opinion. So, Random Guy the xanax do work to help you through it at my stage anyway. Forbidden says it best DONT Mess With This Shit!!!

PS I Am Not! an "inexperienced drug user", a person with a "weak mind" or Any prior mental disorders or temporary conditions of any kind ever!
When I was in my teens and 20's I partied Really hard and I have always been the guy who was last to hit the floor. This shit is no joke and for those who have no experience or tolerance to drugs this shit will fuck your whole world up RUN AWAY! it will sneak up on you and when it hits it will be too late. And The Hospital and the Doctors Cant DO SHIT! except check you out for actual physical conditions, blood tests, and MRI's. None of these will show anything and they will send you home with severe panic disorder and write you a script. As i am writing this I am starting to feel a little Anxiety too much thinking about it I suppose. Ill keep you guys posted with my progress I'm out for now thanks again.
 
^There is not a significant amount of ammonia in jwh. Nor in meth for that matter. Ammonia poses a danger when inhaled while making meth using that method, but unless you're cooking don't worry about it. It's also used in huge quantities to fertilize crops, including the ones people eat. No great cause for concern there either.
 
sounds like an underlying panic disorder or gad manifesting itself...happened with me and dxm
 
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