JWH-18 Overdose > Psychosis !!

[fryingsquirrel]

sounds like an underlying panic disorder or gad manifesting itself...happened with me and dxm

While whether the OP has a panic disorder I have no way of knowing. But this is a common reaction to jwh, which is both extremely potent and very dose sensitive. Anyone who's smoked to much pot can relate.

"Man, I'm freaking out, man"

 

[jaydub overdose]

and another one.....

sorry if i'm incoherent at times. it seems we're gonna be like this awhile and i need to talk.

so…it's been almost two weeks for me i think? f*ck me in the arse mates this is fuct!
I have identical bs going on. smoked way too much over a few months and eventually i went over the edge. i really want to hear back from you guys who have more experience with this! any little stuff you can remember, i'm VERY interested (lol a little too interested if you know what i mean).
I can't back off the gas pedal of my body. it's like i only have an overdrive and complete collapse. feeling of overwhelming ...well, many overwhelming feelings including paranoia, anxiety, depression, i'm having non sensible thoughts, un controlled thoughts, fast talking, delusions of grandeur(really hard to separate with my normal life being mildly religious in a psychedelic sense anyway. Also my emotions are trashed, i can start crying in the blink of an eye, i can't get in an argument with anyone at all or i'll go nuts and i wouldn't be surprised if i had some super human strength right now. Manic i guess.
aw man, i can't eat though. you guys had problems with that ? i haven't been eating but a few hundred forced calories a day. It's getting a little better (and thank god i had a little fat before) but it can't be good and i wonder how much longer my body can go.
i am also having this numbness that 'smoker' speaks of. here's qoute,"Does the numbness ever go away? Or, is this permanent nerve damage from the central nervous system being repeatedly attacked?" which by the way dude, you were worried about the ammonia, the other guy told you that wasn't true and i agree with him. you get numb because of what kind of serotonin is floating around in us right now and i'm going to try and explain what i understand about our situation although I don't know the exact mechanism. Not to mention i'm thinking like a retarded cowboy right now…idk what that means
i get this numbness the day after (or while) tripping on shrooms or acid.
Our brains use serotonin to transfer information to each other, information is stimulation. in elevated serotonin situations you're gonna have a few different variables and outcomes depending on how it happened and what mechanisms aren't working. Not to mention every single human's brian is gonna be different from not only each other but itself within a certain amount of minutes. we are always changing and this(our life) is a chemical experience.
with say mushrooms and acid, who's molecule is identical to serotonin, the 'serotonin' is un-coded and thus only stimulation. this means what you get is one part reality with one hundred parts 'non information' which stimulates imagination to fill out. I always say taking those drugs in a dark closet is like pouring a thousand gallons of nothing over the crevices of your brain.
This is why you can get numb. it might even be that the sensors that usually get told that you still have an arm are half plugged up with crap serotonin and thus you don't feel it. This is probably why my brain hasn't heard from my stomach in a few weeks. lol…ground control to major tom, take your protein pills… this also effects brain power and attention because if you have a thought process going on ( a bunch of serotonin ) and half of it is bs/ non information, the process can't complete correctly. in a similar situation people tripping build longer chains of seratonin than ever but come down to find their ideas( although complex and elegant) not rational. hmmm i think i just did it actually…that was way too simple of an idea of thinking maybe ..idk i can't tell know….anyway,does that make you feel better? hope so. lol… i'm having a hard time thinking . i have to keep going over and over thoughts i already completed.
The good news about this acid model is we can apply it and get things done. same as the guy had listed before; we gotta guide ourselves. just like tripping on acid, you control your environment for control of self. Also it means that any symptoms should be changing somewhat. anxiety should go away on enough external stimuli and vice versa as we know already. My dick is limp too dude. but guess what? my chick was messaging my back two nights ago and she hit a certain spot..and ….ding! it was 'go time' and i finished like a 12 year old, go F*n team! The next day she merely brought up the topic and the thought brought blood like a steak to a Pavlov's dog's saliva. and outside of those two incidents the peter's been more than limp but like ..you guys know…we sound like some old farts right? lol…ahh.. finally got a boner the day! alright though..
I want to hear back from you people and like others the OP. although if my life got normal after that long i might forget to come back.. i hope he's didn''t get worse and just turn into a walrus already! shah!. i guess i'm in a better mood even reading and writing with you guys. but really though i don't want to feel this way forever. if we do we're forming a group. we need a name. maybe we'll be super hero's! we'll overcome evil with sheer anxiety and over complex relative ideology about our situation!
peace peeps,
daniel
ps
drawing i did right before...well i was already proly over the edge..

 

[Smok1n]

Update

2 months have gone by now and all the bad symptoms are gone, I am on a .5mg Xanax 2 times per day now this keeps any anxiety problems off me without any side effects. Obviously if you drink or do any other type of drug with this prescription it will not work as it is supposed to. Anyway there you have it cured 2 months, and on a side note my libido is better than it has ever been, not sure if this is due to quitting smoking cigarettes and weed or not or if it is a side effect of the Xanax but this is a plus so quit fucking with this shit and your problems will subside COMPLETELY! Hope this helps guys and thanks for all your help and support.

 

[Banio]

Hello, yet another serious problems here, what can I say, I have all the OP sympthoms had but my experience is from jwh-210, not jwh-018. I was smoking shiltloads of it. Usually 25mg on 1g herbs then smoking with bro daily smoking abolut 1-2g of this mix with brother (he has the same problem).

Stopped to smoke last sunday (5 days ago), its friday now and I still feels like dying...

Will this improve over time?

Tried to use some daily vitamine, magnesium, potasium (the common stuff in mutivitamine drops).

Biggest problem is with eating, I feel like vomiting the next second I look at any kind of food. Vomiting salvia only, usually durring the night (if woke up) and in the morning.

My stomach feels like burning down there....

Ok so now I read someone take 3 weeks to recover, and not even fully omg.

Please help (( This is serious problem, cant drive any vehicle, cant even work, think clearly.... mg...

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Seek medical advice, it sounds like you're having a very adverse reaction from using way too much JWH-210.

 

[oxyhydro]

Research chemical

The fact is that jwh series are all research chemicals, meaning they are testing them on animals to see what the F*** they do. Not enough time has passed for them to know what the long term effects are and studies on humans are nowhere near completely.

The only thing you can do is to avoid these chemical for now on and your body should recover naturally.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there is simply not enough info on these chemicals for anyone to give you too much detail.

 

[Banio]

Cannot seek that medical advice, no insurance atm....

Well it is 5th day today since I smoked it, and I still alive.... maybe I will get better just like that some day....

I'm such an idiot to overdose it like that anyway I am done with RC for a life, back to normal stuff (if not fatal to me).

 

[Im_Soooooo_High]

While whether the OP has a panic disorder I have no way of knowing. But this is a common reaction to jwh, which is both extremely potent and very dose sensitive. Anyone who's smoked to much pot can relate.

"Man, I'm freaking out, man"

true but thats just paranoia.

sounds like OP has some under lying mental health problems that where brought out prematurely by the JWH. ( possible depression, schizophrenia , anxiety disorders ect... ) i know marijuana can bring these things out so i would think JWH could as well. not sure though because not enough research has ben done on it.

if i wear you op i would take a month or 2 off ALL drugs ( or atleast RC's and marijuana ) and see if the problem goes away and if it dosent i would see a doctor or shrink or something and explain what happened.

 

[DaleGribble]

The fact is that jwh series are all research chemicals, meaning they are testing them on animals to see what the F*** they do. Not enough time has passed for them to know what the long term effects are and studies on humans are nowhere near completely.

The only thing you can do is to avoid these chemical for now on and your body should recover naturally.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but there is simply not enough info on these chemicals for anyone to give you too much detail.

Being a research chemical doesn't mean they're testing it on animals. Are they even testing it on animals? All that is is nomenclature that classifies (or at least did) as not an illicit drug.

As far as letting things get tested before putting them in your body, remember LSD and MDMA were and perhaps still are, when you consider "long" term, in the same boat. And lets not forget that there are tons of chemicals that are "approved" to be put in our bodies that are in fact dangerous...

 

[freedomchild]

I don't know if this was mentioned or not, but mental health-wise, it is my understanding that if you are thinking that you are "going crazy" that is a sign of high anxiety, not psychosis.

I would never let really high levels of anxiety go unchecked. Either exercise regularly or seek medical/mental health treatment, etc. It's not worth it to take any risks associated with long-term high anxiety.

 

[freedomchild]

Banjo, that last post was in general, not directed specifically to you.

But, I do want to say that if you are still having these issues, you can always go to the ER if you do not have health ins. They could really help you stop suffering at the very least as far as symptoms that are making it hard to get to work and stop worrying.

Also, if you can get some good exercise in your range every day, find comedy that makes you belly laugh -- these can help reset your brain chemicals, according to my wonderful, wonderful shrink.

Take care.

 

[Banio]

Here comes my next day in the world of living

I feel slightly better now, still sweating (mostly in the hands). Currently playing some fun computer games to reset my brains.

Tell me guys, shall I rest more, or try to be more active (excercises)?

 

[jaydubh]

Relapsed after almost 2 mos clean. Before I quit, had been using nearly 2 yrs (12-16 times daily). Directly applying large amounts of powder to Damiana joints. My tolerance levels were so high I was getting severe stomach cramping after only a couple hrs of not dosing. Was barely eating, lost a TON of weight. Physical withdrawal symptoms were noticeable for nearly a wk. Spent most of that time trying to sleep it off.

Overall this stuff really did a number on me. Self-employed for 6 yrs. Add JWH and I successfully managed to run my business into the ground. Became anxious and paranoid about everything and did my best to stay isolated. People would call and leave messages and I wouldn't call them back. It soon became impossible to fund my addiction as I was unable to perform my work properly.

Even after 2 mos clean, I'm still paying the price for using JWH. I've lost interest in just about everything and life seems completely dull and depressing. Nothing seems to make me happy anymore. Not confident in my abilities, which still keeps me from working. Total lack of energy. Feel out of touch with the world. Avoid crowded places, as I'm now prone to panic attacks.

Trying different medications and counseling, as I seek normalcy again.

When I relapsed, I believed using might ease the emotional and physical pain I've been dealing with. I was wrong. I just wound up feeling guilty for relapsing and like I've just taken two steps backward. I haven't had any of the severe stomach cramping -- so I think quitting will be easier this time. I just hope things get better over time.

 

[Banio]

Here small update on my condition, went for a medical care, and they gave mi Zanax 0.25mg once a day, preferably by night to have better sleeping, but the guy told me that If I use Zanax more than a couple of days, it may become addictive

Zanax works like a charm, I feel even better than before started to use jwh.

 

[smackcraft]

It sounds like you have gave your self a chemical imbalance in your brain which i personally have had when i was 17 and took alot of shrooms

My advice is DO NOT smoke any more weed for a good while because it will just trigger another huge attack .. it took a long time for me to get back to normal but everyone is different

 

[Banio]

You must be right. I will not try to use anything for a long time now, belive me, that sad experience made me think.... that its not worth it.

Today is day 11th and I am almost recovered from that brain illness.... still got that weird feelings in my brains, but its like 10% of what I had before.

Was using Zanax only 2 days, dont want to get addicted to it.

 

[drummingfool]

OMG, I'm so glad I found this thread! For the longest time I thought I was the only one.

I smoked some Serenity Now almost a year ago. I had a massive panic attack afterwards. I only smoked it probably a total of about 6 or 7 times, but all in the span of a few days. I started to feel like I was losing my f*cking mind after awhile. The thoughts running through my head, the confusion, the feeling of disassociation (feeling "unreal"), the panic, the anxiety... freaking TERRIBLE. I tried seeing a neurologist who put me on Paxil, and I stopped that after just a few days... it was terrible.

Then I started going the natural route. I tried St Johns Wort, and that seemed to kinda help, but not really. St Johns Wort is a natural SSRI, same as Paxil. Then I looked at 5-HTP, which is meant to increase seratonin levels in the brain. I did that for a few months, and that helped more than the St Johns Wort, but still not totally. Then I tried high doses of B-Vitamins, just made me sick. Magnesium, did nothing. I thought the feeling was NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY.

Then I did some research after some days of slight clarity, and remembered that all this started after smoking the Serenity now. Here's what I found.

Serenity now is JWH-018. Synthetic pot of ALL kinds has been banned here in TX, and I started looking at why. According to the articles I read, it was because people were going to the ER all over the place due to massive panic attacks. Then a quick google of JWH-018 on Google found the wikipedia article, which showed this:

"THC has been shown to inhibit GABA neurotransmission in the brain via several pathways.[16][17] JWH-018 may cause intense anxiety, agitation, and, in rare cases (generally with non-regular JWH users), has been assumed to have been the cause of seizures and convulsions by inhibiting GABA neurotransmission more effectively than THC. Cannabinoid receptor full agonists may present serious dangers to the user when used to excess.[18]"

I then looked up GABA, and guess what!? It is the MAIN chemical in the brain responsible for keeping you calm! In other words, JWH-018 has a straight up TOXIC effect on the brain by reducing the amount of GABA taken in by the brain. Here's what I found the effects of low GABA are:

"Feel stressed/pressured/overwhelmed
Sweaty, clammy hands
Butterflies in stomach
Lump in throat
Have trouble relaxing/loosening up
Low stress tolerance
Body tends to be tense/stiff/uptight
Trembling/twitching/shaking
Anxious/nervous/jumpy/‘on edge’
Feel panicky/panic attacks
Heart palpitations or fast resting heart rate (over 85)
Sleep problems or chronic pain"

Sound familiar?? So I went to my local vitamin store and found a GABA supplement, and just started taking it yesterday.

OMG. I felt the effects almost immediately. Within an hour of taking the GABA, I was absolutely WONDERFUL!! I took it around 7PM yesterday, and around 5:30 PM today. IT. HAS. MADE. A. HUGE. DIFFERENCE. I'm taking 750 MG of this stuff:

http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-GABA-750mg-Capsules/dp/B000GFHPAM

I would suggest anyone having these problems try a GABA supplement, and just SEE what it does for you. I think I may have found the f*cking ticket out of the insanity!

PS - the OP said drinking a beer helped bring him down. Know why? Alcohol is a natural GABA agonist, meaning it temporarily increases GABA levels in the brain.

I REALLY hope this helps some people here. Try it, seriously. Respond to the thread and let us all know how it goes... I'll be keeping an eye on it.

 

[freedomchild]

Thank you for that GABA info. Very helpful.

 

[rpp293]

I smoked peace out herbal incense which I believed it to have JWH-018 or some sort of chemical that affects GABA as I have experienced the effects you have in addition to fast resting heart beat at 100bpm, confusion/anxiety, and being able to feel my pulse in my penis and hands.. which is still with me a year later. I am going to try some GABA and post my results back as my psychologists want me to take an SSRI, but i think I need to push my GABA back into the correct phase as it should eliminate all my symptoms. All medical tests such as ecg, ekg, holter monitor are all normal. But the only question is on the absorbiton of GABA in the brain, in other words does it cross the blood brain barrier easily?

OMG, I'm so glad I found this thread! For the longest time I thought I was the only one.

I smoked some Serenity Now almost a year ago. I had a massive panic attack afterwards. I only smoked it probably a total of about 6 or 7 times, but all in the span of a few days. I started to feel like I was losing my f*cking mind after awhile. The thoughts running through my head, the confusion, the feeling of disassociation (feeling "unreal"), the panic, the anxiety... freaking TERRIBLE. I tried seeing a neurologist who put me on Paxil, and I stopped that after just a few days... it was terrible.

Then I started going the natural route. I tried St Johns Wort, and that seemed to kinda help, but not really. St Johns Wort is a natural SSRI, same as Paxil. Then I looked at 5-HTP, which is meant to increase seratonin levels in the brain. I did that for a few months, and that helped more than the St Johns Wort, but still not totally. Then I tried high doses of B-Vitamins, just made me sick. Magnesium, did nothing. I thought the feeling was NEVER GOING TO GO AWAY.

Then I did some research after some days of slight clarity, and remembered that all this started after smoking the Serenity now. Here's what I found.

Serenity now is JWH-018. Synthetic pot of ALL kinds has been banned here in TX, and I started looking at why. According to the articles I read, it was because people were going to the ER all over the place due to massive panic attacks. Then a quick google of JWH-018 on Google found the wikipedia article, which showed this:

"THC has been shown to inhibit GABA neurotransmission in the brain via several pathways.[16][17] JWH-018 may cause intense anxiety, agitation, and, in rare cases (generally with non-regular JWH users), has been assumed to have been the cause of seizures and convulsions by inhibiting GABA neurotransmission more effectively than THC. Cannabinoid receptor full agonists may present serious dangers to the user when used to excess.[18]"

I then looked up GABA, and guess what!? It is the MAIN chemical in the brain responsible for keeping you calm! In other words, JWH-018 has a straight up TOXIC effect on the brain by reducing the amount of GABA taken in by the brain. Here's what I found the effects of low GABA are:

"Feel stressed/pressured/overwhelmed
Sweaty, clammy hands
Butterflies in stomach
Lump in throat
Have trouble relaxing/loosening up
Low stress tolerance
Body tends to be tense/stiff/uptight
Trembling/twitching/shaking
Anxious/nervous/jumpy/‘on edge’
Feel panicky/panic attacks
Heart palpitations or fast resting heart rate (over 85)
Sleep problems or chronic pain"

Sound familiar?? So I went to my local vitamin store and found a GABA supplement, and just started taking it yesterday.

OMG. I felt the effects almost immediately. Within an hour of taking the GABA, I was absolutely WONDERFUL!! I took it around 7PM yesterday, and around 5:30 PM today. IT. HAS. MADE. A. HUGE. DIFFERENCE. I'm taking 750 MG of this stuff:

http://www.amazon.com/Source-Naturals-GABA-750mg-Capsules/dp/B000GFHPAM

I would suggest anyone having these problems try a GABA supplement, and just SEE what it does for you. I think I may have found the f*cking ticket out of the insanity!

PS - the OP said drinking a beer helped bring him down. Know why? Alcohol is a natural GABA agonist, meaning it temporarily increases GABA levels in the brain.

I REALLY hope this helps some people here. Try it, seriously. Respond to the thread and let us all know how it goes... I'll be keeping an eye on it.

 

[freak1c]

Okay, heads up people, there are now quite a lot of reports about this stuff and the psychiatric community is talking about it more more, they are seeing long term psychosis, anxiety and panic attacks in users, and lots and lots of them - sometimes even months to years after stopping ingestion of this stuff, I know of one lady who hasn't used it in 3 years and has full blown anxiety syndrome to this day, every day.
I smoked this crap for a little over a year daily, first starting with a brand containing JWH-018 but I found that to be way too anxiogenic and after several horrible panic attacks while smoking it I switched to another brand wich contained a less anxiogenic synthetic cannabinoid and had zero bad trips on it the entire time I used it ( about10 months daily ). When the D.E.A. banned 5 of these synth cannabinoids ( including JWH-018, 73 etc. ) all these brands have now had to switch to using a different cannabinoid in their blends and now we have no idea what they are using, at least before we at least knew the names of the cannabinoids in these blends if nothing else, now we don't even know that and each of these cannabinoids have different effects and side effects.
Anyways I stopped smoking a week ago and am still having all the fcked feelings related by others here, panic attacks at stores and public places for no reason, panic attacks driving my car, agoraphobia,..............this shit sucks big time because I have no idea when this will go away and I cannot live like this. Some people have no bad reactions apparently while others stop using and have anxiety attacks etc. for days, some weeks, some months, some years, and maybe for the rest of ones life.
You see we are the guinea pigs people, and what once was a little known drug with no research behind it or human trials.............well now is becoming known and its effects are becoming documented thanks to the unlucky ones like myself who have taken a stupid gamble on using this crap and lost - BIG TIME. The anxiety attacks aren't the worst of it, try imagining not feeling like yourself at all, feeling completely out of your mind, this horrible anxious fcked up out of it feeling always there, not being able to even go to the store, I'm unemployed luckily because there is no way I could function. This is debilitating, this is a life changer, my life is fcked now, I can't live like this, am on herbal meds for anxiety right now and they help, will see a shrink or possibly commit myself to a mental hospital if this doesn't clear up soon- it's that bad, I'd rather be dead, I have destroyed my life.
Now you all can go on gambling with this crap and call these sort of reports ( and there are tons of em out there people ) just some kind of paranoia like you get with weed, well it's nothing like that at all, I wish that were all to it.
Oh another thing, I never had these probs till after I STOPPED smoking it.........I'm not describing a bad trip I'm having while smoking this crap, I'm not even smoking it anymore..............this crap can potentially destroy your life. I am a 45 year old male with 32 years of drug use behind me, daily MJ ( before I substituted JWH for real MJ like an idiot ) and heavy psychadelic use in the past.
The thread about the connection with GABA transmission makes sense, I am taking some herbs that help raise GABA levels also. I am taking a B vitamin stress formula wich includes L-theanine and choline and inositol and passion flower extract and valerian, the valerian helps me relax a lot, works pretty good and the passion flower enhances that effect, I am finding these herbs to be helpful. I may go to a psychiatrist on Monday and try to get xanex or something though because my panic attacks when I leave my house are preventing me from being functional or going anywhere, can't even imagine working, but these herbs are helping me feel calm. The unreal out of it feelings seem to show up at night mostly now and seem not to last as long as before, the majority of the daytime I am starting to feel normal again, the bad feelings seem to come in waves and seem to be diminishing in length but not intensity, on a positive note every day I am feeling a bit better than the day before.
I hope everyone else going through this recovers soon.