JWH-18 Overdose > Psychosis !!

[hieishin]

I experienced almost the exact same thing you have here. It lasted about five months for me. I still don't feel 100%, but way way better. JWH-018 seems to have a small chance of messing up your life for about half a year :-(. I'm curious about the health effects of this as more people try it. Hope you're feeling better!

i was wondering did you ever fully recover cuz its been 6 days for me and im still dizzy and my depth perception is kind of messed up

 

[hieishin]

I ordered JWH 18 over the net. I took about 1/4 of a rice grain. Felt nicely stoned in the evening but woke up the next day feeling nausea and exremely nervous the next day. Nausea continued the next day and I had to take the day off from work. I got extremely worried and contacted the doctor and told her I took JWH 18. She told me not to worry and just try and eat and drink fluids. (Don't think she really knew what it was) Nervousness continued and also strange bodily feelings. I then contacted a Professor Tony Moffat who is a pharmaceutical prof and an expert of synthetic cannabanoids. He taught at Cambridge. This is part of his answer to me:

"The big problem is that you have no idea what you took and therefore we can only guess at the effects that it had on you. Cannabinoids like JWH 18 would not expect to produce nausea. Quite the reverse they would prevent it and cause an increase in appetite.The good news is that it should be out of the body in a week."

It has been 19 days since I have taken JWH 18 and its in the middle of the night and I can't sleep. Extreme nervousness and bodily feeling. Thses feelings come and go and differ in intensity. There are some moments during the day that I actually feel completely normal and I am able to work in a busy office enviroment. From Prog Moffat's answer and I can only imagine what I actually took. This was sold to me over the internet as JWH 18 but I think it must have been cut with something else as there is definately something still lingering in my body. I hope that I will feel better after 5 months but has made my peace if I have to live with this for longer. Please be careful what you buyu over the internet as you will never know what it really is. Good luck to everyone else that has experience the same effects. This too will pass.

Hey man i saw your post about how jwh made you feel funny for about 5 or so months. i was wondering did you ever fully recover cuz its been 6 days for me and im still dizzy and my depth perception is kind of messed up

 

[clara]

I have tried all of the JWH's 18 being the most powerful. And never had any lingering effects as you have described. But as we all know people are affected diffrently. The first time I tried it I had way too much it was very uncomfortable but after a long four hours I was fine. My rule of thumb is to use 2-3mg(smoked) and wait 5min. Before redosing. You guys need to be very careful with the jwh's the diffrence between a nice stoned feeling and panic attacks is only a few mg's.

 

[QuasiStoned]

Wow I'd never heard of people having such negative reactions these chemicals. I mean acute anxiety, absolutely I've gotten it from weed for fucks sake but 5 months of problems? Yech, maybe I shouldn't have obtained a small sample of jwh-073

 

[Pegasus]

I imagine a dose large enough to cause a really traumatic anxiety attack could have some lingering effects, something like a flashback occurring after a particularly intense experience on a psychedelic could cause...

 

[Coolio]

This was sold to me over the internet as JWH 18 but I think it must have been cut with something else as there is definately something still lingering in my body.

There's nothing lingering in your body. What you are experiencing is psychosomatic. The symptoms are brought on by your own mind, and believing that there's something lingering in your body can be enough to produce psychosomatic symptoms!

 

[Lord]

I got something similar to what you described from abusing weed. The first few days felt pretty panicky, but after that I got the feeling mainly in the evening for an hour or two. It sounds terrible to have it for months. I feel somewhat lucky. I went overboard so many times, smoking weed like I wanted to become psychotic. I still get jumpy and nervous, but each week it's noticeably weaker than the last. I've gotten two-month-long side effects from one dose of a drug before. It'll probably pass, but it's obviously not very predictable.
It could be psychological, but psychological damage is brain damage, so it's still not "just" about your worrying (as if you have great control over it). Moving on helps a lot though.
Is it at all like a really strange horror movie? I still have minor flashes in the dark... but I'm happy to be recovering. Hopefully the same will happen to you.
Old thread... oops. Actually it doesn't seem that old.

 

[hieishin]

I got something similar to what you described from abusing weed. The first few days felt pretty panicky, but after that I got the feeling mainly in the evening for an hour or two. It sounds terrible to have it for months. I feel somewhat lucky. I went overboard so many times, smoking weed like I wanted to become psychotic. I still get jumpy and nervous, but each week it's noticeably weaker than the last. I've gotten two-month-long side effects from one dose of a drug before. It'll probably pass, but it's obviously not very predictable.
It could be psychological, but psychological damage is brain damage, so it's still not "just" about your worrying (as if you have great control over it). Moving on helps a lot though.
Is it at all like a really strange horror movie? I still have minor flashes in the dark... but I'm happy to be recovering. Hopefully the same will happen to you.
Old thread... oops. Actually it doesn't seem that old.

what drug was it that gave you 2 month long side effects?

 

[QuasiStoned]

According to the guy who discovered the substance, it is unlikely to be toxic. So I think it's safe to say there's a good chance you're all right physically.

I seem to remember reading an interview with him where he seemed less than enthralled about people (ab)using JWH-018 because we really DON'T know if it's safe and/or nontoxic.

 

[Lord]

what drug was it that gave you 2 month long side effects?

A gram of dimenhydrinate. I smoked weed twice a month, which probably slowed the recovery a bit. The effects were: increased depression, slight memory problems, vivid nightmares, creepy-looking doors, noisier vision in the dark (and subtle "hallucinations"), being more scared of the dark (like when you're very sleepy), easier to sleep, and hearing voices when tired and in bed.
Now I have some long-lasting effects from weed as well as dramamine (weed had its own long-term effects and caused some of the dramamine's side effects to come back). Hallucinated voices are pretty clear and make sense on dramamine, almost like reality, compared to weed voices which are vague, filled with gibberish, cartoony, and distorted (echoey, walkie-talkie, low-quality, repeating, etc.) Yes, you could get this effect, almost anyone can (but some strains won't do it no matter how much you smoke). It took one and half to two months for me to feel normal again.

 

[felixgun]

my dreadful experience

I never post on forums but I had to register and explain my experience. I too have had very similar experiences to the other users on this forum after taking [smoking] too much JWH. In the past, i've smoked my fair share of REAL herb but recently because of other reasons, I no longer smoke.

Since serenity (k2, spice gold, etc.) and the other legal herbs are legal then I didn't see the real harm in trying JWH, the main synthetic cannibinoid in all of those legal herbs, in pure form. After reading alot of posts on JWH experiences, I decided to try it myself. I got a friend to purchase some online and when it came in he gave me a little to sample. When I finally had a chance, I told my friend to load some on top of some serenity in his water bubbler and rip it as hard as he could. I probably put ~30mg of it which was WAY too much. He ripped it hard and burned the whole bowl and after I hit it only one time. Not too bad. Body high. Relaxing feelings.

My friend ended up pretty much smoking the whole bowl because I had somewhere to be and didn't want to be too messed up. He the proceeds to tell me that he started feeling really paranoid, his body started feeling really hot, and basically started freaking out and wanted to immediately go home. I brought him home and didn't think another second about it. I actually laughed it off until I got home that night and a friend of mine came over with some JWH.

After work the first thing I wanted to do was relax. My friend comes over and he tells me he brought his whole gram bag and that he wanted to try a large dose of it. I unfortunately complied with no hesitation.

After about 10 minutes, I went from having a great body high to feeling extremely dizzy and a wave of nausea came over my body. I was doing laundry at the time and when it hit me I immediately had to sit down. When I sat down I tried to watch some TV and relax but then my heart started pounding. Irregular heartbeats and anxiety are a terrible mixture and I then had to lay down.

A shortness of breathe came over me and I realized I could not see straight and my vision began to blur (somthing no one else here has mentioned). My body got really hot and I started sweating. As this is happenning my friend who is with me looks at me and says "I don't like the way this feels at all" and I felt the same way. I've tried/experimened with many drugs and nothing literally nothing else has made me feel so terrible. I felt like a noodle and my muscles were TOO Relaxed (not in a cool muscle relaxer pill kind of way) beyond control. At one point I started shaking, and got really cold and had to get a blanket. Next minute I was sweating bullets and had terrible depressing thoughts running through my head. After reading reviews I can see why people went to the hospital because they could not handle the random feelings with all but one thing in common: NOT GOOD FEELINGS.

Three hours later it began to go away slowly. I never ever ever want to feel what I felt when smoking/taking too much JWH. If you are a pot smoker you will never feel this even if you smoke an ounce of the best dank weed money can buy in one sitting. I do not recommend this to anyone and if you do have big enough balls to try it, go ahead and try the recommded dose of just taking 1-2 hits which is 1-3mg (literally a few grains of salt in comparison) vs. the 50+ mg that I so stupidly smoked in one sitting. So learn from my mistake and stay away! I will never try this stuff again. The only difference my experience is from everyone elses is the next day I felt fine and to this day (I tried a week ago) I still feel fine. I tried it at 6pm that day and by 9pm I was coming down off of one of the most miserable experiences of my life.

 

[Coolio]

I've watched a few people overdose on vaporized JWH-018 recently. None of them had persistent aftereffects, and none were turned off from the substance. They all found it overwhelmingly intense, were unable to talk for hours, yet it was like overwhelming euphoria to the point it was uncomfortable as one described it. Last night my friend was literally couch locked, couldn't move or talk for hours. All of them desired more afterwards.

 

[Johnboii]

In this post, I hope to cover several important aspects of the infamous "side effects" of JHW-xxx abuse.

Hopingfornormal, My first experience with JWH was "twisted" an herbal blend like Spice or k2..ect. I took three massive hits and almost Instantly I felt very strange, I became Extremely dizzy, confused, and the room seemed smaller than normal, everyones voices became extremely loud but somehow far away like from another world. I felt intense euphoria, so intense that it became extremely uncomfortable. Soon after my movements felt robotic and I only could only see 3 frames per second. I felt like I was moving in and out of my body and like I was dying.I was convinced my eyes were about to explode. The next day I felt a little spacey but nothing horrible. I smoked in much lower doses( a milder jwh mix i got online) since then and felt fine until one day:
I take a single it of the twisted again. Extreme panic.Heart racing.Waves of energy too intense to describe. Eyes felt like they were going to burst. SO SCARED. Similar robotic feeling and fps of the other night. Every day since then I have been having horrible nightmares of the experience and for two days afterwards I periodically became High out of no where(without smoking or using any substance), but it was all the bad parts of being high without the good euphoric feeling(memory loss, blurred vision ect..) I woke up with severe panic attacks 2 days after the even. I have good news though; It has been 4 days and I am back to normal. I feel slightly light headed once in a while and if I think about the bad experience I become anxious, but that is as far as it goes. EXERCISE HELPS ME A LOT. On the other hand, I have two roomates who smoke with me and one of them got the same thing I did but has not experienced any negative side effects since.

Here is my point of view: according to a couple scholarly articles I read and what I know from several psychology classes, The cause of your problems is most likely completely psychological, and the problems seem to be extremely similar to the symptoms of General Anxiety Disorder(GAD) which is caused by a disruption in the regulation of serotonin and Dopamine receptors.. According to one article, Your CB receptors have a great impact on the regulation of Serotonin and Dopamine in your brain. It is therefore no surprise that when you screw around with your CB receptors, you are risking screwing up the delicate balance of these Serotonin and dopamine receptors in your brain. Disruptions of this nature have also been known to be caused by traumatic events, or events which in the past have triggered great fear, depression or anxiety. In many cases, people who have GAD have been known to appear normal until their disorder is triggered by a traumatic event. Therefore, some people seem to be more prone to these bad side effects than others. Think about it; You have a hidden trait for GAD, You overdose on a drug that HIGHLY effects your CB receptors which highly effect your dopamine and serotonin levels, and you have an VERY traumatic experience which has been known to trigger anxiety disorders; YOU ARE JUST ASKING FOR A PANIC ATTACK! There is some good news though: Most of the time, a normal brain will be able to re-balance its levels over time. There are also many medicinal, behavioral, and natural treatments for anxiety and general anxiety disorder.THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO CONTROL YOUR THINKING!

Things I Used to overcome anxiety problems from JWH
1. St.John's wort. You can get it at walmart, very effective for emotion stabilization and easing the nerves. I took it in the morning and any time i felt nervous. no withdrawal symptoms.
2. kava kava, about the same as effective as above.
3. Exercise: Helps give me a clear mind and clean my body of bad shit I put in it; naturally stabilizes mood.



Here are some behavioral treatments for anxiety:

1. Control your thinking: try to think of good things rather than to focus on your problems/worries.
2. Find someone who has recovered from GAD and talk to them.
3. When facing panic or a panic attack, take deep breaths and think happy thoughts(corny though it may sound)
4. EXERCISE! LOTS AND LOTS OF EXERCISE. Exercise has been clinically proven to help increase mood and mental stability.( it definitely wont do any harm )

Here Is my Advice for JWH-xxx:
1. NEVER eyeball a dose.
2. Always start dosage as small as possible, wait 15 minutes then swim should dose more if needed.
3. Respect JWH, DO NOT THINK ABOUT IT LIKE IT'S Illegal Cousin THC, IT IS NOT THC AND IT IS RECKLESS TO TREAT IT THE SAME WAY!!
4. Always take JWH in a comfortable, relatively consistent environment, this will reduce the chance of anxiety and paranoia.

Other things that may be helpful:

Physical symptoms of generalized anxiety disorder (GAD)

* Muscle tension, aches, lightheadedness, or soreness
* Trouble falling asleep or staying asleep
* Stomach problems, nausea, diarrhea
* Jumpiness or unsteadiness
* Edginess or restlessness
* Tiring easily


Psychological symptoms of generalized anxiety disorder (GAD)

* Irritability
* Feelings of dread
* Inability to control anxious thoughts
* Inability to relax
* Difficulty concentrating
* Fear of losing control or being rejected




Some Resources:
effects of cb receptors on Seratonin and dopamine:

http://www.springerlink.com/content/pu3581274512355p/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10454705

Generalized Anxiety Disorder:

http://helpguide.org/mental/generalized_anxiety_disorder.htm
http://health.nytimes.com/health/guides/disease/generalized-anxiety-disorder/risk-factors.html
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/generalized-anxiety-disorder-gad/index.shtml
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx24.htm

 

[justinsh]

I've been reading over some of this stuff and i relate to a lot of it. I smoked synthetic smoking blends for 6 months and had a really bad anxiety attack the last time i smoked. After i stopped, about a week later, i kept having these sort of flashbacks to it where i felt really high again without even smoking. For the next month and a half i was really fucked up- internal unrest, anxiety, trouble sleeping, blurred vision and depth perception problems, and an inability to think clearly. These have been gettting much better with time. It been four months now and the only symptom that really remains is the blurred vision. It seems that my vision if blurry for long distances and i have to redjust my eyes to see objects far away clearly. Also, some of the other symptoms pop back up every once in a while but much more mildly and never more than once or twice a week. I'm just getting really concerned because i dont know if i will ever recover 100%. I cant believe this shit is lasting four months. If anyone has had similiar experiences please share. And if anyone has has similiar experiences and recored 100% PLEASE share.

 

[Vukani]

JWH 18 Update

On my previous post of the effects on JWH 18 and would like to give you an update on my condition. I took JWH 18 on the 19th July 2009. It is slowly moving towards a year. I read on many posts that the side effects of JWH 18 has got to do with GAD. In that respect, yes. Even after almost a year I still have lingering effects. Very small muscle twitches, nervousness in the stomach.

My experience contrary to what has been said on this forum was very different. I only took JWH once and a minute amount-salt grain. I became stone and had no panick attacks or associated anxiety while under the influence. My problem started the next day. Nothing triggered anxiety in me.

I feel that the nervous system was effected but that is up for discussion as GAD's symptoms is very clear in my own case. On the advice of excercise. I have tried jogging even as recently as 2 months ago and it seems every time I persue excercise my nervousness becomes extreme in my stomach and I feel out of it in my head. (I jogged for about 2 weeks 3 times a week)

When I stop running I would return back to normal after a couple of days. I feel pretty much normal most of the times. My experience havce put me off taking any future drugs as I have learned to respect my mind and everyday with a clear head is a brilliant day!

I can only say to anyone who's had negative effects, yes you will get better and hopefully you will get something positive out of a negative experience but everyone is different. Some will have negative effects some won't.

All I can say is, respect your mind....

 

[RegisteredUser]

Vukani, how do you feel now?

I feel alright, took Jwh and overdosed also. panic attacks, anxiety, sweats, paranoia, psychosis the works... it's been a month and everything's been returning to normal except I have tons of muscle twitches, been nauseous, muscles get sore easy.

Do the muscle spasms ever go away?

advice to anyone and everyone, low dose, high dose, stay away from JWH.

Find some real herb if you want, but don't do experimental unknown substances. I was ignorant to have done it myself and will never touch another drug again. I am weening off caffeine but that in it's self is being hell with the headaches.

 

[ganjadave420]

I never post on forums but I had to register and explain my experience. I too have had very similar experiences to the other users on this forum after taking [smoking] too much JWH. In the past, i've smoked my fair share of REAL herb but recently because of other reasons, I no longer smoke.

Since serenity (k2, spice gold, etc.) and the other legal herbs are legal then I didn't see the real harm in trying JWH, the main synthetic cannibinoid in all of those legal herbs, in pure form. After reading alot of posts on JWH experiences, I decided to try it myself. I got a friend to purchase some online and when it came in he gave me a little to sample. When I finally had a chance, I told my friend to load some on top of some serenity in his water bubbler and rip it as hard as he could. I probably put ~30mg of it which was WAY too much. He ripped it hard and burned the whole bowl and after I hit it only one time. Not too bad. Body high. Relaxing feelings.

My friend ended up pretty much smoking the whole bowl because I had somewhere to be and didn't want to be too messed up. He the proceeds to tell me that he started feeling really paranoid, his body started feeling really hot, and basically started freaking out and wanted to immediately go home. I brought him home and didn't think another second about it. I actually laughed it off until I got home that night and a friend of mine came over with some JWH.

After work the first thing I wanted to do was relax. My friend comes over and he tells me he brought his whole gram bag and that he wanted to try a large dose of it. I unfortunately complied with no hesitation.

After about 10 minutes, I went from having a great body high to feeling extremely dizzy and a wave of nausea came over my body. I was doing laundry at the time and when it hit me I immediately had to sit down. When I sat down I tried to watch some TV and relax but then my heart started pounding. Irregular heartbeats and anxiety are a terrible mixture and I then had to lay down.

A shortness of breathe came over me and I realized I could not see straight and my vision began to blur (somthing no one else here has mentioned). My body got really hot and I started sweating. As this is happenning my friend who is with me looks at me and says "I don't like the way this feels at all" and I felt the same way. I've tried/experimened with many drugs and nothing literally nothing else has made me feel so terrible. I felt like a noodle and my muscles were TOO Relaxed (not in a cool muscle relaxer pill kind of way) beyond control. At one point I started shaking, and got really cold and had to get a blanket. Next minute I was sweating bullets and had terrible depressing thoughts running through my head. After reading reviews I can see why people went to the hospital because they could not handle the random feelings with all but one thing in common: NOT GOOD FEELINGS.

Three hours later it began to go away slowly. I never ever ever want to feel what I felt when smoking/taking too much JWH. If you are a pot smoker you will never feel this even if you smoke an ounce of the best dank weed money can buy in one sitting. I do not recommend this to anyone and if you do have big enough balls to try it, go ahead and try the recommded dose of just taking 1-2 hits which is 1-3mg (literally a few grains of salt in comparison) vs. the 50+ mg that I so stupidly smoked in one sitting. So learn from my mistake and stay away! I will never try this stuff again. The only difference my experience is from everyone elses is the next day I felt fine and to this day (I tried a week ago) I still feel fine. I tried it at 6pm that day and by 9pm I was coming down off of one of the most miserable experiences of my life.

Yo I went into cardiac arrest this shit is crazy!! I have smoked pot for 11 yrs I grow the shit Im live in cali I smoke some of the best nugg. I took three hits off this stuf called Voodoo Magic spice blend got realy paranoid my heart was pounding I then passed out my mom heard me fall to the ground she then called 911 and this shit damn near killed me I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS TO ANY ONE my heart stop one time and they used the paddle to bring me back I woke up in the ER and my heart rate was at 120 and BP was at 150/60 very dangerous stuff not worth your life FUCK SPICE AND JWH-018. I am very lucky to be alive today please don't do that shit it just bnot worth what can happen.

 

[Sean McDevitt]

panic attack. try laying on your back. lol

 

[artaxerxes]

panic attack. try laying on your back. lol

If you're responding to Ganjadave420's post, plainly you didn't read it. I've had my share of panic attacks and they haven't required defibrillator paddles and a trip to the hospital. Show some damn respect.

It's evident that many people have have experienced intensely negative and terrifying reactions to JWH compounds and laughing them off with a mindless comment and a lol 8) is disrespectful and runs counter to the harm reduction mission of this board. These compounds haven't been researched, and the anecdotal evidence on BL is one of the most valuable resources available for people experimenting with them.

Grow up and develop some compassion. Or, as Pennywise would have said, DIAF.

 

[Coolio]

I took three hits off this stuf called Voodoo Magic spice blend got realy paranoid my heart was pounding I then passed out my mom heard me fall to the ground she then called 911 and this shit damn near killed me I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS TO ANY ONE my heart stop one time and they used the paddle to bring me back I woke up in the ER and my heart rate was at 120 and BP was at 150/60 very dangerous stuff not worth your life FUCK SPICE AND JWH-018.

Wait, how do you know what's in Voodoo Magic spice blend?

Your heart rate and blood pressure numbers are nothing out of the ordinary, most people have higher numbers when they take stimulants or psychedelics. I'm not sure why you mentioned that part.