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JWH-18 Overdose > Psychosis !!

So if someone doesn't agree with you full-on, they must be arrogant and such?
And *Head Shops* are evil because they took your money, without giving you some sort of MSDS/danger printout, and being your best buddy....... they must be evil self-serving capitalist scum, right?

You last post on this?
Good, and buh-bye.
If you don't want to listen, then its not fair of you to condemn those who *choose* to keep using, or are respectfully disagreeing, or are offering different opinions...

OR...... you could do a search for the *other* JWH thread that I wrote, read it.... and then insult me by PM....
just don't insult everyone elses' intelligence, here.
 
Yes head shops are evil capitalist scum if they sell poison for profit.
The arrogance I see is mainly from a druggie culture that disregards what are now known facts about these synthetics and the documentation and case studies wich have only just begun are only now being looked at in any organized way by the medical and psychiatric community.
But hey all the best to ya and if you don't stroke out, have a seizure, have parts of your body go numb, have headaches, throw up, become dissociative, become agoraphobic, develop new term anxiety/ panic disorder ( or bring up underlying conditions ) or some other wonderful possibly long term psychosis, become extremely irritable/ angry, become addicted, have trouble breathing, etc. then more power to ya.

Smoke marijuana, ( what this crap is supposed to emulate ) it's good for you, this synthetic shit is like one of those drug commercials on television with a hundred side effects. Oh ya gee sounds great I'll be sure to ask my doctor about that, ya right.

Shit's just stupid

I said it, and if that's arrogant, so be it.
 
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The arrogance that you're overlooking, isn't that of others..... it's that of your own; for presuming to know, and for passing judgment on, a vast population of individuals; all with their own motives, lives, and issues..... for not falling over themselves in panic at your warnings.

"Selling poison for profit"........ that's not arrogance on anyone else's part but your own. What you see as being poison, others either do not..... or CHOOSE not to.

What you're missing is the CHOICE part. It's not a headshop or governments' duty to inform every drug user of what they're buying..... It's the consumers' CHOICE in the end, just as it was yours in the first place.
Many people don't have a problem with cannabis, but some do..... and have bad reactions from smoking it. Does that mean its poison for everyone else?

Now..... if you want to start a Crusade against this stuff, I suggest you not start it here. Go be more productive, and find a study group doing work on JWH compounds, and volunteer your experiences there.

You'll do far more good in that manner, than condemning a whole lot of people for living their lives the way they WANT to, and being pissed at OTHERS for messing up your life..... or work to find answers as to why you and others are having bad reactions....

Harm reduction isn't about throwing about rumor, anecdote, and fear.... its about education.
And so far, I haven't read much of your reports on JWH that seem to be anything other than your own reaction and knee-jerk response to it, along with plenty of regurgitated information from other sources on BL, Erowid, Wikipedia, and DEA's website.

That's not educational or harm reduction.... its haphazard and not helpful.
 
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rangrz said:
Being the main inhibitory neurotransmitter, it doesn't take a PH.d researcher to see that its rather important, though, so is NMDA, so are the big three sympathetic, dopamine, norepinepherine and serotonin, so is Ach. Raise or drop the levels of ANY of them drastically and generally, some failure mode resulting in death occurs. Play with a little too much, and something unejoyable happens (be it anxiety, seizures, dyskenesias, hyperthermia, psychotic episodes or other eratta problems resulting from CNS regulation being whacked out)

But that wasn't my first point, my first point is exogenous agonist does not equal increasing organic agonist...say for example, exogenous 5HT ligand LSD is not the same as force release of 5HT by MDMA, nor is it the same as serotonin toxidrome. (I think if it had the disseminated vascular coagulation, it wouldn't be as popular as it is.)

exogenous DA antagonist pimozide is a little more severe then lack of DA after an amphetamine binge. (I don't get permanent motor dysfunction from a comedown)

There is a significant difference between the varied exogenous ligands, and the organic one (or depletion of organic one vs blockade by antagonist) the effect is NOT the same, it can be markedly different and very different depending on which synthetic it is. thiopental is just a tad different from gabapentin, wouldn't you say?

and parkinson's re GABA: yeah, it might have some role, but I think the case is pretty solid on parkinson's being primarily DA related.

This wasn't a rant about big pharma or the mental health system, it was about not abstracting two different things into being identical.
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To restore a balance between dopamine, norepinepherine and serotonin for any individual, should one consider taking SAM-e supplement. Everyone optimal neurotransmitter levels are different. I have heard that taking a GABA supplement has no effect as it needs to be synthesized from another supplement (L-theanine). Does anyone know of any supplements/combinations that would restore the above neurotransmitter imbalances, particularity an imbalance in norepinepherine ? Any feedback is greatly appreciated, and thank you in advance.
 
Inso said:
Sounds like textbook anxiety and panic attacks, very much doubt there's anything wrong with you. I know from experience how hard is to convince oneself of that fact when feeling that way though...
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Yeah, completely agree. I don't think 'psychosis' is the right word to describe this. It's not highly uncommon for some people to have this kind of reaction from smoking weed. In my observation, drugs like this don't 'cause' mental disorders, rather they can 'awaken' something that a person is predisposed to. In that sense, wickedplaya, I don't know if you can solely think of your anxiety and depression as being a result of the drug. I'm not saying it won't completely go away but if it doesn't, I'd start getting some help from either a psychologist or psychiatrist. It's probably too early to worry about that yet. Just keep in mind that whether it was 'caused' by the JWH or not, you will get better.
 
omg i tripped on this shit one day but it was wierd the stuff i tripped on was called *rocket spice* and it said it did not contain jwh-18 i went to the store and there was a 6 ft tall dude and he was wearing a trench coat and he walked behind me and in my mind i imagined him pulling out a hunting knife and cutting my throat a big ass chill came up my spine and i wanted to yell out like AHHH!!! but i maintained composer and he didnt rob anyone.also i get anxiety attacks it feels like my heart has been running at 200bpm for like 20 years but then sometimes i feel normal its just when i think about it goes fast!!! dont mess with this stuff i think it uses up your dopamine too because the day after i get high im so depressed nothing will make me laugh..
 
Some may believe dysautonomia may be the problem. Has anyone tried any supplements/medications that should help correct dysautonomia? If so, could you please list some. I have heart palpitations, ability to hear my heart beat in my neck, penis, hands, heart fluttering sensations, ringings in ears, chest pain, pressure by the left breast, and a heightened awareness for two years after my spice incident. My symptoms are present all day. I never had these physical symptoms of anxiety before the spice incident. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
 
rpp293 said:
To restore a balance between dopamine, norepinepherine and serotonin for any individual, should one consider taking SAM-e supplement. Everyone optimal neurotransmitter levels are different. I have heard that taking a GABA supplement has no effect as it needs to be synthesized from another supplement (L-theanine). Does anyone know of any supplements/combinations that would restore the above neurotransmitter imbalances, particularity an imbalance in norepinepherine ? Any feedback is greatly appreciated, and thank you in advance.
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I'll have to look into SAM-e. I haven't read about it in years.

Good input rangrz
 
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Thank you!
I just started taking it again myself today, and then receive your PM. :)

Your inbox is full btw

-wait, so does that mean an increase in VMA can cause cancer or the opposite? Interesting on the role of dopamine, and even the relation to taking respiridone.
Mods, I'm just asking here because his inbox is full
 
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DexterMeth said:
Thank you!
I just started taking it again myself today, and then receive your PM. :)

Your inbox is full btw

-wait, so does that mean an increase in VMA can cause cancer or the opposite? Interesting on the role of dopamine, and even the relation to taking respiridone.
Mods, I'm just asking here because his inbox is full
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I cleared my inbox so we can continue our convo on there.
 
I had this stuff on the weekend and had the most terrifying experience of my entire life.

I'd been up all night, had 3 MD based pills at 4am, then about a point of meth, and 3 puffs of a normal joint.
At approx 12pm I had half a cone piece of Zeus Incense blend, I'm not exactly sure what synth it contained.
I felt 'normal stoned' about 2 minutes afterwards. I went to make 2 cups of tea about 5 minutes later and this is when things got weird. I forgot how to make tea. I didn't know what to put in it, and was staring at the spoon and the sugar for about 5 minutes trying to remember what to do with them. I gave up on the sugar and went to look for the milk. I completely forgot where people keep their milk, and was looking under the sink. I was trying to rationalize 'isn't this how long it usually takes?' but then realised this was really retarded as 10 minutes had passed. My friend came down and asked if I was ok and she made the tea for me.

That's the last thing from the real world I remember. I can't remember if we started going upstairs or stayed downstairs. All I know is that somehow I ended up on the stairs. I started hallucinating that I was in a maze like a computer character. My friend who'd also taken it was also in a maze, I remember a distant 'ooooh I'm in a maaaaze' from her. This is when shit got REALLY FUCKED UP. I started having terrifying vivid hallucinations where I was completely disassociated from my body and the real world. I started really freaking out at this point, I thought I'd completely lost my mind and would have to be in a psych ward. Then, I envisioned that I was dead and going to hell. At this point I fell backwards down the stairs. I felt the impact but thought it was me hitting things on my way down to hell. All I could see was white light.

Random images and rooms were going through my mind, I wasn't in my body. I was in the rooms. They were rapidly changing. But I got stuck in one. A green one, lime green, with just a table in it. For what felt like an eternity I was trapped in this room. I had more visions that I can't accurately recall, but I thought I was dead.

After about 30 minutes of this, I finally came to. I don't know whether this was from concussion or the substance, but my vision was horribly morphed. My friend was kneeling in front of me, holding my hands, and I was staring into her eyes. I tried to focus but she'd slide in and out of cartoon form, and other crazy shit like she was being magnified 100x. I didn't know what the fuck was happening and I started having a FULL ON panic attack, hyperventilating, HR a million miles an hour.

After at least 10 minutes of freaking out and distorted vision and a sense of vibrating, my vision came back, slightly blurred but I was on this earth again. This continued for 10 or so
Minutes after I managed to make my way upstairs.

Surprisingly I felt pretty normal for the rest of the day, not 100% but a LOT better than I thought. I have a few bruises though from my little stair falling experience. Only weird after affect is that last night I was watching a video clip and an eerie triangle with an orange background was one of the pictures to the video, and I had to turn it off because it made me slightly nervous.

All in all, this shit is DANGEROUS. I don't even want to think about what could've happened if I were in public or alone. Be careful guys...
 
Jwh-018

First I want to wish you the best of luck and I hope you let us know how you make out....I wanted to add our story about this substance on this site....I posted this on High times.... please dont use JWH-018 or any "fake pot"

My son has used wicked x at the rate of about 20-80 bucks a week for about two months on and off... He was an acting major in at AADA in NYC, a very exclusive high end acting school, first year expense 50K. He has completely flunked out and will not be returning. He now believes " aliens are coming back" and he wants to be a commander on their space ship.
Yesterday, 6-29-2012 he has just been diagnosed with a very serious schizophrenia/ bipolar disorder generally named Schizoaffective Disorder. He has never had an mental issue previous to this and has been involved in sports, extra activities and straight A student in HS. He has smoked real pot in the past with no serious bad side effects.
Im not saying anyone should smoke ANYTHING as I don't believe in smoking anything at all anymore due to other health risk. ( I used to enjoy REAL pot )
Just telling the facts here.
We are waiting to see if the effects of this FAKE pot has caused permanent damage to his brain.
Currently the user is experiencing manic, depressive, and paranoia symptoms with delusions to a very serious degree, he is on anti psychotic meds. He is not doing very well, he can no longer care for himself and if he does not recover ( which they tell me is not likely, hoping the doctors are wrong ) I will be stuck caring for him for ever. You can not believe anything he says as he is in a "lost world of his own" The mental hospital already tells us to apply for his SSI disability, WTF he was going to be successful !!!
We have done MUCH research on the "fake pot" and on my sons NEW mental condition. It seems there is a likely probability that this substance has ether caused his metal illness exclusively, or at least caused the on set of it. The doctors have also SEEN cases where the fake weed / spice, has caused blood lesions in the brains of healthy users. It has caused heart attacks and sudden death as well ( sound fun? )
I don't care how everyone chooses to destroy their lives, but maybe if just one person reads this TRUE story, they might think twice about using this crap. Do yourself a favor and research it for yourself BEFORE you use this chemical that is USUALLY made in CHINA or INDIA ( like they really care about Americans!!! )
look up JWH's work himself and see what he REALLY says about it. Keep in mind his original formula may not have been as BAD as what you will end up getting as you are def not getting the original JWH-18, but dont get me wrong it too is associated with Psychosis. Huffman says himself he regrets ever making it due to the harm it is bringing to people. Google JWH-018.
I am not anti marijuana. I used to smoke pot, I love high times, and real weed will prob never make you crazy, but this fake crap is wacked - being insane is not fun, and taking care of an insane person is less fun. Stick with the real deal or better yet, keep your lungs pink and functioning properly smoke free.

DO NOT SMOKE JWH-018 017 019 or ANY " Fake-Pot" Incense Herbal blends etc !!!! you may DIE !!! or go insane







wickedplaya said:
It happend about 2 months ago, when i decided to test a "skunk" tea.
(skunk contains about 3% jwh-18 as i found out later). So i put about 0,6g skunk in a cup (approx. 18 mg JWH),
added some oil and filled it up with hot water. After 5 minutes i was drinking the whole thing.

About an hour later i got really high, it was a nice relaxing buzz. 3 hours later i went to bed, about 12 pm.

At 3 pm i was waking up immediately. I was totally awake, my heart was pounding as crazy as it would explode in a minute.
I felt a preassure in my forehead, i had extreme sweatings combined with nausea and extreme anxiety causing panic attacks.
I had very wooly thoughts shooting through my head. I thought im going to die, every thought was very negative and depressing.
I always tried to put myself together and managed to reduce the panickiness,
but then a new huge "wave" came over me and f****d my brain.

To come down i drunk a beer, and it helped. After 3 hours i was able to lean back and find some sleep.
Next day i woke up i was so happy to have a clear head although my body felt very broken.

After 3 days it happend again, i woke up in the morning and i was shaking. I was really nervous because of nothing.
this feeling was lasting for the whole day. Because of the panickiness my mind was rushing,
it made me insane. Additionally i had a slight nausea for the whole day.

So i decided to drink no more coffee etc, but it didnt help. Next day the same and so on.
I felt like im not myself, and sometimes the anxiety reappeared, which is the worst thing about all this.
I woke up regularly in the middle of the night, my mind rushing, not able to sleep again, that also extremely sucked.
So i started to take some light calmers in the evening. After three weeks the nervousness reduced and the nausea now only appeared in mornings and evenings.

I recognized that i got very nervous in situations that didnt do anything to me normally.
Like if my sensibility raised and im getting nervous very quickly in allday situations.
Its like a wave is running over me, with sweatings, heat appearing...


Today is approx. 2 months after this fucking tea, the nausea reduced,
but im still getting nervous because of nothing, im not feeling like myself sometimes, considering my mind.
Today i also had a panic attac again, with extreme anxiety, just out of nothing?!

When does this shit end?! Im getting crazy!!!

Anyone here experienced the same, or with other drugs?
Is there a way to get over this?
Is this a neural damage, which needs time to heal, or are there still some poisonous substances in my body?

Would be really nice if someone helps me with this!! This is fucking me up!
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