well guys I do thank your for all your imput both good and bad, you guys got to understand I am new to this, I am taking clommids comin off of it , as well as anti estro, now I look back I wish I would have jumped on some oral + injectable, but $$ was the issue so I firegure dI would see where dbol would take me, next time around I learn from my mistakes, and dont repeat them, its all I can do , you know what I mean? I would love all of your advice, I am a sponge when it comes to learning, so any of your guys FEEL FREE to IM me on AIM - BRAVEHEART4690- and let meknow what I am doing wrong , or I am doing right, I do apologize I am in now way ignoring all you guys , I am just really really busy latley , so I dont get on bluelightmuch , but i did manage to post a pic in my gallery , time line for week 1 , week 6 and week 8 , I went 8 weeks instead of 7 which now I lok back was waaaay too long, but I was pyrimids the cycle so I was not taking HUGE doses for long periods of time, I have been off for a week, and I only lost 2 lbs, so I am doing something right, I do notice a lil decrease in strength but nothing I cant over come... but thanks again for all your knowledge and i do agree ITS ABOUT TIME BLUELIGHT GOT THIS FORUM UP AND RUNNIN!