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Just made the jump from pill popper to dope shooter

Would you ever consider doing a U-turn and just going back to the pills? Yes, the expense...I know all too well. I've never IV'd anything- and heroin is a line in the sand that I just wont cross. However, I've never heard anyone saying that injecting has led anywhere good. In the ideal world, you put the needle down and go back to the pills and taper yourself down and get the fuck outta this mess. Since this isn't the ideal world, maybe methadone would be a good choice for you? It's gotta be better than injecting. You are now opening yourself up to all kinds of infections and missed shots, etc. All the bad shit that comes with a needle.

Go back to the pills my man. Do it today...
 
fifleman said:
Way to aim high in life, buddy.

We need smart fucking people to fill the sectors' missing doctors. Nah, not for you.

Give me some drugs and let me become the same as every other fucking drug user out there. Depressed, hopeless, sad, self-loathing, and angst-ridden.

Seriously, way to aim high. Be proud of yourself.

What the fuck is wrong with everyone anymore? Open your eyes people.
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NO SHIT, damn that shit was right!!!;)
 
theseeker said:
Would you ever consider doing a U-turn and just going back to the pills? Yes, the expense...I know all too well. I've never IV'd anything- and heroin is a line in the sand that I just wont cross. However, I've never heard anyone saying that injecting has led anywhere good. In the ideal world, you put the needle down and go back to the pills and taper yourself down and get the fuck outta this mess. Since this isn't the ideal world, maybe methadone would be a good choice for you? It's gotta be better than injecting. You are now opening yourself up to all kinds of infections and missed shots, etc. All the bad shit that comes with a needle.

Go back to the pills my man. Do it today...
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yes sir my addiction started with pills damn if I only knew then what the hell I know now...I truly would be rich..all that money I spent chasing dope (and pills)I could buy a fuckin mansion on a small island :!
 
So your thread is for all of the people starting out popping a few percocets or vicodins so they can see where they'll end up if they keep on that path? Well my thread is for all the people starting on IV heroin so they can see where that will get them. You started with some lighter pain pills and worked your way up to 300 mg oxy to get the sick off. Your shooting a gram of east coast raw, which, unless you got a weak batch, is a decent sized habit to start with. Where do you think this is gonna end up. It doesn't just level off here. Your habit will shoot up just like it did from 15 mg vicodin to 300 mg oxy. You can control it, you know that, your habit wouldn't be as big as it is now if you could. Anyone who becomes dependent can't control there addiction. So now you'll spiral out of control with this, and it will be too expensive, and the toll on your health will be much greater. Then what? What are you going to switch too then? If you're lucky you'll try some sort of rehab. Judging from what you're saying you're definitely a good candidate for sub or done maintenance. I suggest doing it now, subs with no insurance will definitely be cheaper than your habit now. Even if it wasn't, it will be cheaper than what you will suffer in the future. If that doesn't happen then you will eventually die. Maybe you'll get lucky and go to prison. You either get clean or at least stable and live a worthwhile life and die. Or you suffer and die. What do you want to do?

I know someones gonna post and say, "Hey, I'm a stock broker, my 5 gram a day habit is nothing with my $500,000 income!", or "I've shot dope for 30 years with no problems!", or "Leave the guy alone, some people just need heroin to live a worthwhile life!". But that's all bullshit, I've been a junkie and I've suffered a lot, and I don't think I'll ever be able to stay clean with out my suboxone, but at least I'm stable and I've been doing much better, no matter how good I "thought" I was doing on dope. It was all a lie and illusion. I know it doesn't matter, you're going to do it all yourself and then you'll be on here typing the same thing I am in 5 years, if you make it that far. I know typing this was a waste of my time, but I have to try my best because I can't live with myself knowing that I didn't share my experience with every other opiate use I meet in hopes that I can spare someone some of the suffering I went through.
 
DMFNR said:
So your thread is for all of the people starting out popping a few percocets or vicodins so they can see where they'll end up if they keep on that path? Well my thread is for all the people starting on IV heroin so they can see where that will get them. You started with some lighter pain pills and worked your way up to 300 mg oxy to get the sick off. Your shooting a gram of east coast raw, which, unless you got a weak batch, is a decent sized habit to start with. Where do you think this is gonna end up. It doesn't just level off here. Your habit will shoot up just like it did from 15 mg vicodin to 300 mg oxy. You can control it, you know that, your habit wouldn't be as big as it is now if you could. Anyone who becomes dependent can't control there addiction. So now you'll spiral out of control with this, and it will be too expensive, and the toll on your health will be much greater. Then what? What are you going to switch too then? If you're lucky you'll try some sort of rehab. Judging from what you're saying you're definitely a good candidate for sub or done maintenance. I suggest doing it now, subs with no insurance will definitely be cheaper than your habit now. Even if it wasn't, it will be cheaper than what you will suffer in the future. If that doesn't happen then you will eventually die. Maybe you'll get lucky and go to prison. You either get clean or at least stable and live a worthwhile life and die. Or you suffer and die. What do you want to do?

I know someones gonna post and say, "Hey, I'm a stock broker, my 5 gram a day habit is nothing with my $500,000 income!", or "I've shot dope for 30 years with no problems!", or "Leave the guy alone, some people just need heroin to live a worthwhile life!". But that's all bullshit, I've been a junkie and I've suffered a lot, and I don't think I'll ever be able to stay clean with out my suboxone, but at least I'm stable and I've been doing much better, no matter how good I "thought" I was doing on dope. It was all a lie and illusion. I know it doesn't matter, you're going to do it all yourself and then you'll be on here typing the same thing I am in 5 years, if you make it that far. I know typing this was a waste of my time, but I have to try my best because I can't live with myself knowing that I didn't share my experience with every other opiate use I meet in hopes that I can spare someone some of the suffering I went through.
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I am not to sure about entering this quote it is kinda long, but I had to because it is the truth...and yeah I feel the same way about responding to posts such as these I feel like I wanna jump thru my comp. and smack the shit right out of posters like these. The shit is a killer! what don't they see..but ya know what? I thought just like that when I had no clue..boy did I fuck up thinking it was gonna be different for me I wasn't like the rest of the junkies.. lol..but I found the outcome seems to be the same! You should take it from the ones that learned the hard way and now have to go behind themselfs and sweep the shit up and that is another task you could avoid if you just stop before shit goes horribly wrong statistics are against you my man ,!but good luck I really mean that...
 
I'm thinking of calling the methadone clinic. This shit ain't cool. I have friends on it and even though it isn't clean per se, it beats the life I live now.
 
Don't let people tell you methadone isn't clean. Alright, technically you're not free of all opiates, but clean is what you make it. Being completely clean is the goal, but being stable is a close second. Don't even let that aspect bother you. It's really cool that you're thinking of methadone and I really hope you give it a try. You know how much addiction sucks, you're in the middle of it. It's really scary making that first call, but there really are people who care, who understand, and once you get a little help, it's really awesome to find out that people you don't even really know care about you and want to end your suffering. That's their business. It's really hard to make that call, because it's really scary thinking you won't ever get to use your drug again. Don't think of it like that, think of it as tomorrow I will try this. And then tomorrow you can see what you're going to do the next day. One day at a time, it really works. The grand scale of shit will freak anyone out. I'm currently on suboxone, but I have been in methadone maintenance and it's hard for the first week or two while they are finding your dose, but afterward its great. At first you'll get a decent opiated glow to get you through the day, and you're just kind of eased in to stable living. Suboxone ain't bad either. It's less sedating, and you're more on your own with strong mental cravings. Either way, you're getting stable, back to normal.

I had a pretty good sized habit when I first went in to maintenance, and it sucked a bit during the first few days, but no where near as bad as cold turkey sickness. I was fine for a good part of the day, and just wanted to get back to the clinic the next. After probably two weeks I was so happy and just got like a rush of optimism that carried on for quite awhile and then I just leveled out. Besides going to the clinic I felt like I never used opiates, and didn't mind. That's why I switched to sub, to cut out the clinic.

THINGS WILL BE BETTER AND YOU WILL ENJOY LIFE A LOT MORE. A LOT OF YOUR SUFFERING WILL BE OVER.

Don't even worry about coming off maintenance right now, worry about getting off it. I've heard a lot of people say, I'm just going to keep shooting dope, because an ol' junkie told me methadone is harder to come off of. All withdrawals are hard, but with a long taper done right, things will be a lot easier once you get your head in the right place. That could be in a few months to a few years. That's the best part of maintenance is you can plan when you come off, how you come off, and have all the right support systems set up to help you. There's a lot of people that are against methadone for various reasons, but it does what it does well. Keeping addicts out of prison and out of the ground. And believe me, everyone has other people who need and want them around and healthy. It's great for people who have very strong cravings and is a million times better than using heroin. Sure it would be great if dope was legal, and use opiod prone people could maintain and get high cheaply and legally with proper care. But the price right now is too high in all ways.

I read your profile and it didn't say how old you are, but I'll assume you're under 60. Just give it a shot, no matter what happens, you can always turn back. If methadone/sobriety is really worse than what you have now, heroin ain't goin' no where. It will always be right around the corner. What I did read in your profile is that you ain't a junkie. Please keep it that way.

Keep us posted on how you're doing. I don't know if I will be able to read back today as I work 3rd shift and need to sleep, but I'll probably check back later tonight, and if not definatly tomorrow morning. Please post back, you're pretty much the first person that I've ever seen consider methadone or something on there thread instead of just the same, "It won't happen to me". I would really like to see someone get it right, it might just be the thing that would help someone else consider help, and you could help a whole chain of people.
 
DMFNR Yeah man that is beautiful advice. You worked that shit, you maintained until you were mentally ready. And depending on the number of years you were using it could take a while but at least you are able to function, it sure is cheaper, it is safer, for me I believe it saved my life . God only knows what could have happened had I continued my madness. Ya know I used tell myself it was hard to stay clean. Now I realize how fuckin difficult it was to get high. I would put a full 8 hours in just makin connects..the rest of the time I was pokin the shit out of myself or scheming the next run to the man that held MY plan. So get going to that clinic, don't say you are gonna do and not, because if ya make it out with your life you will eventually have to go there anyway there isn't another way so don't hold your life up too much longer. What don't kill us, makes us stronger. Keep us posted. Oh and I hope I didn't ramble or run off topic too bad.
 
I'm glad I read through this thread. I think Lozgod posted this information for me...well people like me. I have often envisioned getting some H since it seems to be the most euphoric thing on the planet. I'm pretty heavy into the pills and I've gazed at that line in the sand and what it would be like to cross it to feel the experience. But this isn't the movies or some kind of fiction. This is the raw real deal. I know I have an addictive personality, and I would probably fall all the way down the rabbit hole. I'm a newb to BL, and starting to read through these threads has given me a reminder/wake-up call of the consequences of making the jump. I wish I could help you so badly, please come back to this side of the line. Sounds like if you don't do something pretty quick you'll be at rock bottom hard-core. I know you have something to contribute with your life, and with the road you're on .....well.....it isn't living. I hope you have some willpower left to reconsider your choices. What you and all the other members here have said has had an effect on me.....I hope it can have an effect on you
 
Congratulations, now you can look forward to the next step or "jump", which is either:

A: You end up in institutionalized, trying desperately to piece some semblance of a life back together or


B: you die.

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To all the self righteous pricks in this thread. Go fuck yourselves. This isn't about you but how the op is hoping to deter others from using skAg.

Op, I think if just one person reads your post and runs screaming from boy you deserve , well iDk what the fuck you deserve but it's sOmething decent....

Did I mention the self righteous pricks here should go fuck themselves?
 
Bangthosedrugs does have a point.. albiet a bit overkill.

I love how everyone is basically projecting their own failures, or their own expected failures onto the OP like he just has to suffer the same fate they did. This is precisely how self fullfilling prophecies begin. If the OP chooses to believe he's not gonna make it, just because you told him he wouldn't, he now has a much better chance of not making it.

But if you tell him to be strong, and advise him with logic and not your own projected failures, he may actually stand a chance against dope.

I still don't exactly think its being "self righteous", maybe it is, but people just have a hard time thinking outside the box sometimes.
For the OP, you obviously have a lot of people who ruined their lives on dope. But you have the opportunity to avoid that everyday you wake up. It all relies on just changing your behavoir one day. You can easily stop dope, go back to oxies and taper off. Theres people on here who maintain their dope habits very low, like just a bag a day. So you're not doomed to some miserable existence automatically, if you even have just a bit of willpower to not get too out of control.
I don't think its the hard to do, so I'm not gonna attempt filling his head with every possible negative thing that can happen to him. Because the truth is something good will still always usually come out of something bad. Its just the way life is. If you have a bad experience with dope, its possible you'll take that experience with you into future ventures in life, and it may instill a certain form of control in your behavoir. So you're not always doomed to bad things in life just because your making bad decisions. I mean shit, prison was one of the best most life changing experiences I could have ever had, and many people thought I'd be part of that 80% who goes out commiting crime again. People DO learn from their mistakes. And the OP is no exception to that fact.

Good luck!
 
bangthosedrugs said:
To all the self righteous pricks in this thread. Go fuck yourselves. This isn't about you but how the op is hoping to deter others from using skAg.

Op, I think if just one person reads your post and runs screaming from boy you deserve , well iDk what the fuck you deserve but it's sOmething decent....

Did I mention the self righteous pricks here should go fuck themselves?
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^^This coming from someone with a username "bangthosedrugs" 8)

If he was happy doing what he was doing, he wouldn't have started this thread in this forum (The Dark Side). If this was started in Drug Culture I wouldn't have posted what I did before, because I wouldn't have bothered to open the thing.

Coming into this forum and making a prideful claim that you've made the jump from pills to the needle isn't going to elicit an encouraging response.
 
eon_blue said:
^^This coming from someone with a username "bangthosedrugs" 8)

If he was happy doing what he was doing, he wouldn't have started this thread in this forum (The Dark Side). If this was started in Drug Culture I wouldn't have posted what I did before, because I wouldn't have bothered to open the thing.

Coming into this forum and making a prideful claim that you've made the jump from pills to the needle isn't going to elicit an encouraging response.
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"pridefull"?

How about YOU tell ME exactly where the OP was being proud? He conveyed his excitment of waking up everyday sick, you call that pride?

Thats a pretty big misinterpretation to make as I didn't pick up on pride at all. The man sounds battered and confused and more pessimism is only gonna corrode any strength he has left in life. I think bangthosedrugs made a fair statement, a bit strong but as fair as everyone else who wanted to covertly shit on him. What you said isn't any more right or wrong than what he said. And thats just one persons opinion so don't take it too personal.
 
lozgod said:
Guess I am officially on my way to being a junkie. Excited about waking up sick so I can shoot dope while I already ain't hi and hopefully feeling the rush everyone talks about. Felt it before getting morphine in the hospital.

I have no idea how much to shoot. It takes about 90-100mgs to get a slight short buzz on oxy. A good buzz is about 300mgs of oxy.

How much dope do I need for the rush and a good buzz assuming it is good dope?
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Could it not be more obvious? Maybe "prideful" wasn't the right choice in words, but coming into this forum inquiring about the "rush" of good dope and asking how much it would take to achieve it shows an obvious lack of tact, to say the least.

People here are either struggling to get clean or trying to stay that way. I think the majority of us here have earned the right to call out what the obvious "next jump" is if he/she wants to talk in here so carelessly about picking up the needle. We have other forums for that.
 
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I dun think she was being prideful. OP the needle addiction is terrible. I don't even shoot h anymore, but I cant even fucking look at my veins without jonesing. =( The craving doesnt seem to ever go away...

Needle addiction is just so much worse. Snick to snorting it, trust me!!!
 
@eon_blue - lay the fuck off holy crap.

do you really thnk the OP takes pride in the fact that he uses the needle? You think he tells all his friends and parents, GUESS WHAT! YAYY!! I ACCOMPLISHED IT.

You ever been addicted to heroin? its a love/hate relationship.

WTF is your prob with him? Maybe this wasnt the BEST forum to post in, but it's not like hes on the fucking nacotics anonymous message board dude. This is a forum where peole talk about drug use

PEOPLE USE NEEDLES

He made the jump, we are here to provide harm reduction not be annoying as fuck. And harm reduction for a IV H users doesn't mean telling them they are gonna die or they should be sniffing it. It means educating on the safest way possible to utilize the roa they have chosen.
 
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