Jungle vs. Drum n Bass

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alright so first off i know these are basically the same thing and the name change was due to racist connotations of the word jungle.

but i prefer the old shit, when it was called jungle, better than drum n bass. it's just got more soul or something.

i'm wondering what other people's preferences are, or any other discussion on the subject.
 
well i do love the old school jungle early 90s, but i was really too young at the time to be into it. even shit that wasn't considered jungle but breakbeats at a fast tempo like...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experience_(The_Prodigy_album)

the "dnb" i was into during high school (2000s) i still hold near and dear. producers like bad company, asc, seba, dillinja, dieselboy, dj krust, roni size, grooverider to name a few.

i will say toward the later 2000s the genre really became really stagnate imo. artist/labels making radio friendly tunes trying to chase commercial success and god awful shit like "jump up" most of the good producers after producing at that tempo for so long decided to move on and explore slower tempos.

at the moment there is still quality dnb being put out ( http://www.discogs.com/Genotype-Lessons-In-Depth/master/603624 )

dnb has some many sub genres. few i like (atmospheric, liquid, ragga). as a whole tho i rarely check for new releases unless i know the label or artist.

i'd recommend to check this recent 14tracks.com selection of D&B's Techno Defection

http://14tracks.com/selections/273-14_tracks_d_b_s_techno_defection

In recent years there's been an exchange of ideas between the sibling styles of techno and D&B. This week we've spotlighted 14 tracks by artists (many of them former D&B producers and rehabilitated junglists) who've applied mid-late '90s D&B/Jungle structures, dynamics and production touches to the 125-135 bpm bracket with much success.

maybe in the years to come it will come full circle and producers will breathe new life into the genre, but tbh i think the tempo is quite restricting.
 
Complexity of the drumming and the rawness of the sound is what makes old school jungle a treat. In terms of new school dnb, I prefer the deeper side of dnb. spacey, grimey and soulful.
 
I have much respect for the old school Jungle that made DNB what it is today. Back then those producers had nothing to follow, no motivation, no influence, nothing except love for the music they were making. Old school DNB has lots of soul, but I cannot get away from the sick and nasty sounds of dark DNB and futuristic spacey DNB. First time I heard DNB I thought to myself "Man, how can anyone listen to this sh**?!!" But after going to my first DNB party I soon discovered that my heart beats at 180bpm. Growing up I was really into fast punk rock, and I think that's what helped me appreciate DNB. So for me, it's pretty much a tie between Jungle and DNB although everyone knows it's the exact same thing;)

DNB4LIFE!
 
It would be nice to hear some innovation in DnB these days, everyone just seems to copy one another.
 
I love dnb is general, style i wanna listen to depends on my mood really.

@ravinmonkeys Theres alot of innovative (not groundbreaking new quassi genre stuff) but if you dig theres top notch stuff coming out still. I think theres just so many people producing now that you gotta sift through for the gems. (this applies to all music really, so much garbage gets 2423423 plays on soundcloud and the true heads laugh and keep playing the bad boy riddims. I see youre in UK so the scene is a little more mature there, but you guys had countless top notch record shops while here in canada to get some good vinyls back then and even now you pretty much gotta get them posted from record labels in UK which is just so expensive. I love vinyl, but theres so few and far between record shops here, and most dont seem to cater to electronic styles at all :( But I love my DVS, keeps the real feel without lugging around crates, sifting through to find the perfect record only to find the wrong record is in the sleeve :X I feel I have more diversity this way, as I can have my whole collection with me, and not worry about dumb cunts putting sticky drinks on a record you just set aside for a second to get the mixdown. Legit vinyl sets are beautiful if theres a quality dj in the booth, but since Im not getting any dubplates sent to me for free ill settle for digital haha.

Off topic but DNB changed my life, one fateful night I slipped into my first dnb show ever, Ed rush and Optical and the rest is history haha. I was sorta into dnb but moreso grime/early dubs and then BOOOSH a few hours I barely remember completely changed me. Bigups da junglist massiv
 
https://soundcloud.com/cyantific/ice-cream-vanilla-mix-friction-bbc-radio-1

youve probably heard it, but one of may fave tracks atm, original is sick too. DnB has been trooping for so long its just a matter of time before someone pops our heads open while we gawk "oooohhh you could to that"

haha sry kinda just rambling, so very excited for the 403DNBB http://allyouneedisbass.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/403dnbbq-2014-timeline_v2.jpg

just be happy it have what trap did to dubsteo haha. Its nice to see the junglist movement is growing everyday =D
 
I like it all.
From early ragga influenced shit to a lot after that. Depends on what kind of mood I'm in.
As I continued to listen to it my tastes evolved and my favorites are the techie neuro styles.
From the old and new virus sound... Audio is a fucking animal. Konflict, vicious circle, cause for concern, black sun empire, teebee, calyx, photek, moving shadows entire roster lol. I could go on and on.

I like it dark, fast, and techish. I never realized how much techno influenced dnb I was getting into but I also listen to very minimal techno and I see the correlation between the two.

But if I'm feeling nostalgic I'll bust out some old mystical influence, odi, phantom 45 mixes. Maybe old dieselboy mixes. I used to like the warm communications and good looking releases but I don't get into liquid that much now.

Although massive respect to Atlantic connection. Nate had the talent, drive and just good sense to do huge things.
 
I was never a jungle fan, it was before my time. I was introduced to it by some horrible jump up, then my cousin showed me old Hardware/Moving Shadow/Headz stuff, which is my cup of tea.

I don't mind proper jungle, sometimes quite like a subby rinse out to Bukem or something if the weather is nice. I've noticed jungle and breakbeat hardcore has come somewhat back in to vogue recently, a Tessela tune springs to mind (can't remember the name, not a big fan), but a lot have copied its vibe. It even landed him a spot on Radio 1?!

To be honest I don't listen to new dnb, old Loxy, Dylan, Ed Rush n Op and Hive keep me good. The difference in the vibe is generally how the songs were made, they are rough, raw and "soulful" because they aren't quite perfect. In the late 90's and early 2000's people produced on hardware, which imparted subtle distortion and added limitations. Obviously the equipment improved from the jungle era to the more techy blue note stuff I'm talking about, as well as the fact that they were experimenting with darker sounds. These days it's all computers and perfection in drum and bass.
 
IDGAF what it's called i'm just getting sick of people talking shit and making dumb generalizations. In all genres of music there is popular, overhyped garbage but there are also a lot of slept-on, hard-working artists with integrity and the ability to produce music that doesn't just repeat the same formulas. Guess which you won't hear any of on BBC1
 
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