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Jobseeker's Allowance Megathread ver. The Jeremy Kyle Fan Club

So if Richard Branson were made redundant tomorrow then he's perfectly entitled to go and slap in a claim for ESA? After all, he 'deserves it', doesn't he? Whereas that jobless single mother down the road is a lazy cow, ain't she?

An absurd example, perhaps, but I don't think you quite grasp what means-tested benefits are there for.

It isn't about 'a handout' for all and sundry, it's about taking measures to prevent abject poverty. People with savings are not living in abject poverty by definition. Nor are savings a universal right, less still a measure of worthiness.
 
I believe he would be entitled to 6 months contribution based job seekers allowance based on his national insurance contributions over the preceeding 2 years. He probably would not take up that entitlement however, as i believe he is quite the liberal philanthropist.

As to your second point you may well be right, i have worked most of my adult life, I dont know much about the benefits system, only how it has affected me.

I dont for one second subscribe to the notion that people are only worth as much as their bank account. Absolutely not.

Why shouldnt savings be a universal right ? If someone has earned some money, they should have the right to do with it as they see fit.
 
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I've also worked most of my adult life, so I fail to see why that has any bearing on your understanding of the benefits system; it's not like we're getting technical here after all.

Of course people have a right to do as they wish with their money. When I say 'savings are not a universal right', perhaps I could've phrased it better.

Savings are not some inviolable, sacred thing; it's money that you've chosen to put aside. You've not been compelled to do so. I admire anybody who manages to do that kind of thing, but ultimately when the proverbial rainy day does come, then those savings should serve as a buffer. They shouldn't be regarded as a fundamental need.

ESA is not an inviolable right either, nor is any other means-tested benefit. It's a safety net for those with no other discernible means to get by.

If you have savings, you have means to get by. Maybe you've worked hard for those savings, yeah. But what about the person who's had to spend the money which they could have saved on raising a child, or caring for a loved one in need? Is it fair to allow you to claim the same benefit as them whilst having money squirrelled away and gaining interest?
 
I just meant that because Ive been employed for most of my adult life the benefits system has not been of any great interest or concern to me.

I do understand the points you are making, i was just trying to let off steam and vent my own frustration at the fuck up i made of things regarding benefits.
 
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Ugh im in my overdraft getting charged £166 on the 3rd n £100 to credit card. How the f am i to get out of it when they keep charging me.

Sammy does have a point. I'm a disabled single mam on ESA n it's bloody hard as just point out.

It's not about the gov "telling you what to do with your savings " it's about them giving them to people who don't have anything. ESA is not means tested - it 's based on disability / sickness. And I think you can have £16,000 in savings. If you have that or above why would you need benefits when there's people with hardly a penny to their name, some people without a home. You're quite lucky. Be lucky you've been able to work without a load of bullying, stigma n backstabbing.
 
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You just gonna stick with JSA now then MDB?
May be easier if you think ESA is gonna prove problematic for you, as long as you meet the requirements on your Jobseekers agreement then you shouldn't have any problems with them.
 
What are your reasons for wanting ESA because if you feel that you are entitled to it then go for it. Your savings will NOT affect you n if someone has told you that they do then they are wrong.

Sorry for double post - edit button not working. Can a mod pls merge it please? Thanks x
 
one of my managers was one of those people who was proud of the fact "i dont pussy foot around things, i tell people straight" in other words she was brutal and spoke yelled at several employees as if they were dogs. She was entirely responsible for the high turnover rate in that place. If you were willing to kiss arse you'd be ok, but thats not me, much as it is shooting myself in the foot. I have had some managers i have respected, but also some appalling ones with the people skills and empathy of the third reich. Staff were not to be supported if they were having problems they were to be yelled at and further belittled and berated. Oh we live in such enlightened times. ;-/
 
That's terrible MDB,managers like that should be gotten rid of asap. I've had managers exactly the same as that and have seen them reduce men & women to tears,pure bullying in the work place.
Like you I could never bring myself to kiss arse as it's just not in me to do that.
I would rather miss out on promotion etc than to swallow my pride & kiss arse just for a better job or a bit more money, I couldn't live with myself if I did that.
 
That's awful, MDB. Max I'm opposite I'd be nice cause the money would come in handy n because I hate confrontations. I was bullied by a colleague over my eyesight. He tried making out I could see something that I couldn't n would humiliate me all over the office. I cannot see font unless I look close to it (by the way I'm not seeking attention or feeling sorry for myself as have been accused of doing so, just stating facts lol) n this colleaue is very mean n derogatory over it. I did not even have to get that job I chose to do so because I didn't want to stay on benefits all my life. I wanted to work.
 
No one should have to put up with being treated like that at work Evey,was there no help you could have got from the H.R dept or did you not want to cause any fuss in case things got worse?
 
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Well I hope you have better luck in the future Evey,nobody in the workplace deserves to be bullied and made to feel bad.
There should be better things in place now to deal with those types of situation.
 
Thanks. Haven 't worked since. They had a secret table of all the errors I had made. I think this one lady was jealous because I was given a lot of equipment like a video magnifier , lunar dolphin magnifying software, hand-held magnifier n when she had a period of eyesight difficulty due to her diabetes she had to go off sick (before I started working there). I think she didn't like that I had that stuff from Access to Work but I couldn't have done the job without it.

Thing is I did not have to bother going to work. I DECIDED I wanted to, contacted the disability services at the job centre n they got me in touch with a company called Sure Trust, who were rubbish. I found that job n liaised with the manager, got an interview n got the job. And it was the Job Centre who had the RNIB come do an assessment for Access to Work.
 
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