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Jesus or The Angels?
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Noting wrong, just takes time, being one of te most advanced skills. You must really want it and dedicate yourself to it, and it will first only srart as flashes of insight or visuals in your mind. Seeing or hearing in a physical way I think is very rare.
I'm no at the stage where I can hear long texst being recited to me from within. Strange, feels like I'm reading them to mnyself aswell. Anyway, ask and you shall find...just not right away, which is usually how we want to do it. We give it one try and if it doesn't work we give up and lose faith.
P A
Bluelighter
As a moderator working for a harm-reduction website, I sincerely implore you to seek medical attention.
No. Thanks... but as much as you might struggle against this- I doubt you understand.
Medicine can't currently treat what is really wrong with me. May be able to help, but due to an immune system issue I basically live in a bubble- and for one, the voices are very welcome company. Perhaps that's just my rationalizing the state of things, but it works better than "schizophrenia"... Especially since they are not threatening, but mostly calling for awareness, pointing out things, yada. And being male, a female companion (that would otherwise cause an allergic/immunological response), is kind of nice, and I miss them when they aren't there- like the time I supplemented taurine. -As well then my dreaming stopped (my memory)... so you tell me
I love dreaming. Life is a dream. They are part of me/me/my life.
Perhaps one day these possible projections will merge with a more this-level reality... I don't know. I don't know.
I do question them/myself... honestly. But this is deep. I guess, though, talking to anyone about it might bring insight. I keep forgetting that it is all just ... what I mentioned earlier- communication, movement, yada, and there is truth in everything if you look for it.
Getting back to allergies... the voices began with them/with their rise. A step- But my ex girlfriends also- their names can spell "Mask" if first letters are strung together. They also in ways I won't completely go into here, reflect my mother- to me. My first identified allergy was to milk. Identification came only after Donna- a girl a voice told me was my wife the first night I met her. The voice "boomed" relative to any that I have heard. I understood it clearly- unlike the others which sound, well, like schizophrenia voices are said to sound. Whispers, far away. Behind a wall (not necessarily physical)... This one was unmistakable- perhaps still in "another room", but more standing at a doorway to this one. Testing as I did sometimes obsessively in ways at the time, found that if she was... my wife- with my last name, that numerologically according to one of two ways that I calculate- her name sum would come out to 184- same as my mother's. I could go into more, but I am always missing something, it seems, when I talk.
There are so many weights. Food allergies nearly destroyed right my ear as a child (said 20s... but was effected always. Just noticed it then.).. And in 20s got my jaw realigned because thought I was suffering from a TMJ disorder. Mouth and ear. Milk allergy. Facial "pain" (more like years long torture/crucifixion). I was dating the star of the movie at the time. Alisha. Last name same as mother's maiden name- Finch. Milk. God she had the best tits.
And... we are all kind of sick anyways, but our existence depending on it- well, it cancels in ways.
Looping back around with ehhhhhhhhh (I love that. ehhhhhh. someone here with the recieving milk in bags, living in canada.. i just can't get away. ehhhhh) 23 0689 yea... I am crazy. I can't help it. I work this way. Uhh... In 2007 after finding the stuff with "Mask", after suffering for years with a facial pain that I can't describe. Try trigeminal neuralgia like symptoms caused by inflammation of the parotid gland. Trigeminal neuralgia is also known as "suicide disease". 5th Cranial nerve linked into the pons/amygdala... memories emotions.. smells.. fear. Relays. Just jotting this down. Apologies for the mess in this paragraph. Voices started then. They might be in a sense a "white noise" of sorts. My body/mind trying to make use of a burning fire. I don't know.
But where I meant to go... try not to get stuck in an 8 or 0 here... more a 6 or a 9... --Back in 2007, when I first discovered the "Mask" deal, among other things, spending all of my waking hours interpreting voices, writing in text files all day. Analyzing. Analyzing washing machines they say, listening for patterns (you know... crazy stuff
), I remember spending a lot of time on the name "Madonna". I remember I was so excited to see this pattern fulfilled- to see a fruit(s) of all of the roots that I saw before- but couldn't see above- with "Mask" and the patterns around. I was astounded. Words can't really describe the insecurity I felt over years- then met with this solidity- to me. The voice- male, similar to the booming one later, said "This is Pre-Ma-Donna". I had no idea what it meant. I didn't know what Prima Donna meant (and perhaps it was scolding me/at least challenging me in one dimension, for feeling I was some special holier than thou Christ figure). I thought it was like a time period. It felt like I hadn't seen it all- the whole picture, yet- one way I got it in regard to tone and everything around. I interpreted it as "Pre-Madonna", and the way the voice said it, often emphasizing "Ma"- separating from Donna, and how much attention I put into it at the time, analyzing every character, converting as I did (for example, by a conversion method I came up with spontaneously, the word Annunaki translated to- by conversion, "Hevunna"- Annunaki means from the heavens, apparently- so weighted again it is, even if slightly blurry), finding variations... and then years later, meeting "Ma" Donna... One really worthy that I've met- It just comes together, to me. She also goes along with "Prima Donna", in at least a sense, or two, or three.
I as many other crazies looked to the date of 12/21/2012 as something significant. I now see it as a point in time sort of like the beginning of any time period. Beginning or end. But those can be measured from anywhere, too... but this stood out, for many reasons. I don't mean to ruin any credibility. I met/ended with this Donna 203 weeks from that date. I spent only a week with her for reasons, well- compicated. 161 weeks prior, around Christmas with the last girl I was with, in that matrix of "Mask" (actually, M.), I was given a watch, that I found significant, but in a way I couldn't pin. It felt like a handcuff- how thick the band was, and at that moment, I sort of detached from her, opposing that "cuff" feeling. In chains. Yea.
I was born 203 days from the end of the year, from mother. 161 full days had passed. Mirror "Ma"-Donna. My mother and father together full name sums come to 365- the number of days in a year. Her full name is 184 which is my number 23- I was born 23 weeks into the year as well, am 23 x 2 chromosomes to begin with one from each parent, yada yada don't argue 23 please... 184 which is 23x8 or 2 to the 3rd power multiplied by 23. I met Donna 23 days into the year. We began talking around the time I was born, in a day. We entered her apartment, which she just moved into, around that time. I was born at 2203, or 203 at the head of the day (GMT/UT). This number I saw beginning with the issues in early 20s, with Alisha. Alisha also had this number around her. I don't look for it- per say. I do sometimes, but I'm usually aware when I am. 23 days remained until the declaration of independence for my country would be signed 206 bones ago at the time of my birth.
Yea. I gave up on trying to explain (I'm sorry, God- I'm resting. I'll be back.). I'm crazy. It's entertaining for me though. But painful sometimes (and other stuff). I feel I have more control than I give myself.
In the movie "Looper" year 23 he's suddenly with his wife.
Lost Charlie sees Claire and knows who she is suddenly, and the number 23 is clearly seen.
Jack is the number 23. Need a jack? Doctor jack.
The moon phase for my birth and the moon phase on my 23rd birthday can easily by most accounts of history form a "full moon" shape. Full circle. As well, this occurred at the turn of the century/millenium, with a girl with the last name Sterling- high school sweetheart. Her birth moon phase and mine can combine to form a full moon, by accounts of history (although of course varied, but as far as 360 degrees or so goes...). Silver moon. I took orange sunshine acid that night- first psychedelic. Got "lost" in/over/on her body for hours, and hers touching mine. Reflections.
Great Pyramid is 203 courses high no capstone and I like headshots (never shoot for less- for a kill) so I probably shot it in the head. That's a joke. King's Chamber is some 23 measurement within. The truth lies in 0 as well, even though they were on a different number system likely- I don't know. The future causes the past just as much as the past "causes" the future.
It's not uncommon- my dream.
If anyone knows how to inject my extracted white blood cells with individual proteins of allergens, and then inject them back into me, I will pay them a pretty penny. Then I might be able to suck some real dicks (er I mean tits. I meant tits!).
Medicine can't currently treat what is really wrong with me. May be able to help, but due to an immune system issue I basically live in a bubble- and for one, the voices are very welcome company. Perhaps that's just my rationalizing the state of things, but it works better than "schizophrenia"... Especially since they are not threatening, but mostly calling for awareness, pointing out things, yada. And being male, a female companion (that would otherwise cause an allergic/immunological response), is kind of nice, and I miss them when they aren't there- like the time I supplemented taurine. -As well then my dreaming stopped (my memory)... so you tell me
I love dreaming. Life is a dream. They are part of me/me/my life.
Perhaps one day these possible projections will merge with a more this-level reality... I don't know. I don't know.
I do question them/myself... honestly. But this is deep. I guess, though, talking to anyone about it might bring insight. I keep forgetting that it is all just ... what I mentioned earlier- communication, movement, yada, and there is truth in everything if you look for it.
Getting back to allergies... the voices began with them/with their rise. A step- But my ex girlfriends also- their names can spell "Mask" if first letters are strung together. They also in ways I won't completely go into here, reflect my mother- to me. My first identified allergy was to milk. Identification came only after Donna- a girl a voice told me was my wife the first night I met her. The voice "boomed" relative to any that I have heard. I understood it clearly- unlike the others which sound, well, like schizophrenia voices are said to sound. Whispers, far away. Behind a wall (not necessarily physical)... This one was unmistakable- perhaps still in "another room", but more standing at a doorway to this one. Testing as I did sometimes obsessively in ways at the time, found that if she was... my wife- with my last name, that numerologically according to one of two ways that I calculate- her name sum would come out to 184- same as my mother's. I could go into more, but I am always missing something, it seems, when I talk.
There are so many weights. Food allergies nearly destroyed right my ear as a child (said 20s... but was effected always. Just noticed it then.).. And in 20s got my jaw realigned because thought I was suffering from a TMJ disorder. Mouth and ear. Milk allergy. Facial "pain" (more like years long torture/crucifixion). I was dating the star of the movie at the time. Alisha. Last name same as mother's maiden name- Finch. Milk. God she had the best tits.
And... we are all kind of sick anyways, but our existence depending on it- well, it cancels in ways.
Looping back around with ehhhhhhhhh (I love that. ehhhhhh. someone here with the recieving milk in bags, living in canada.. i just can't get away. ehhhhh) 23 0689 yea... I am crazy. I can't help it. I work this way. Uhh... In 2007 after finding the stuff with "Mask", after suffering for years with a facial pain that I can't describe. Try trigeminal neuralgia like symptoms caused by inflammation of the parotid gland. Trigeminal neuralgia is also known as "suicide disease". 5th Cranial nerve linked into the pons/amygdala... memories emotions.. smells.. fear. Relays. Just jotting this down. Apologies for the mess in this paragraph. Voices started then. They might be in a sense a "white noise" of sorts. My body/mind trying to make use of a burning fire. I don't know.
But where I meant to go... try not to get stuck in an 8 or 0 here... more a 6 or a 9... --Back in 2007, when I first discovered the "Mask" deal, among other things, spending all of my waking hours interpreting voices, writing in text files all day. Analyzing. Analyzing washing machines they say, listening for patterns (you know... crazy stuff
), I remember spending a lot of time on the name "Madonna". I remember I was so excited to see this pattern fulfilled- to see a fruit(s) of all of the roots that I saw before- but couldn't see above- with "Mask" and the patterns around. I was astounded. Words can't really describe the insecurity I felt over years- then met with this solidity- to me. The voice- male, similar to the booming one later, said "This is Pre-Ma-Donna". I had no idea what it meant. I didn't know what Prima Donna meant (and perhaps it was scolding me/at least challenging me in one dimension, for feeling I was some special holier than thou Christ figure). I thought it was like a time period. It felt like I hadn't seen it all- the whole picture, yet- one way I got it in regard to tone and everything around. I interpreted it as "Pre-Madonna", and the way the voice said it, often emphasizing "Ma"- separating from Donna, and how much attention I put into it at the time, analyzing every character, converting as I did (for example, by a conversion method I came up with spontaneously, the word Annunaki translated to- by conversion, "Hevunna"- Annunaki means from the heavens, apparently- so weighted again it is, even if slightly blurry), finding variations... and then years later, meeting "Ma" Donna... One really worthy that I've met- It just comes together, to me. She also goes along with "Prima Donna", in at least a sense, or two, or three.I as many other crazies looked to the date of 12/21/2012 as something significant. I now see it as a point in time sort of like the beginning of any time period. Beginning or end. But those can be measured from anywhere, too... but this stood out, for many reasons. I don't mean to ruin any credibility. I met/ended with this Donna 203 weeks from that date. I spent only a week with her for reasons, well- compicated. 161 weeks prior, around Christmas with the last girl I was with, in that matrix of "Mask" (actually, M.), I was given a watch, that I found significant, but in a way I couldn't pin. It felt like a handcuff- how thick the band was, and at that moment, I sort of detached from her, opposing that "cuff" feeling. In chains. Yea.
I was born 203 days from the end of the year, from mother. 161 full days had passed. Mirror "Ma"-Donna. My mother and father together full name sums come to 365- the number of days in a year. Her full name is 184 which is my number 23- I was born 23 weeks into the year as well, am 23 x 2 chromosomes to begin with one from each parent, yada yada don't argue 23 please... 184 which is 23x8 or 2 to the 3rd power multiplied by 23. I met Donna 23 days into the year. We began talking around the time I was born, in a day. We entered her apartment, which she just moved into, around that time. I was born at 2203, or 203 at the head of the day (GMT/UT). This number I saw beginning with the issues in early 20s, with Alisha. Alisha also had this number around her. I don't look for it- per say. I do sometimes, but I'm usually aware when I am. 23 days remained until the declaration of independence for my country would be signed 206 bones ago at the time of my birth.
Yea. I gave up on trying to explain (I'm sorry, God- I'm resting. I'll be back.). I'm crazy. It's entertaining for me though. But painful sometimes (and other stuff). I feel I have more control than I give myself.
In the movie "Looper" year 23 he's suddenly with his wife.
Lost Charlie sees Claire and knows who she is suddenly, and the number 23 is clearly seen.
Jack is the number 23. Need a jack? Doctor jack.
The moon phase for my birth and the moon phase on my 23rd birthday can easily by most accounts of history form a "full moon" shape. Full circle. As well, this occurred at the turn of the century/millenium, with a girl with the last name Sterling- high school sweetheart. Her birth moon phase and mine can combine to form a full moon, by accounts of history (although of course varied, but as far as 360 degrees or so goes...). Silver moon. I took orange sunshine acid that night- first psychedelic. Got "lost" in/over/on her body for hours, and hers touching mine. Reflections.
Great Pyramid is 203 courses high no capstone and I like headshots (never shoot for less- for a kill) so I probably shot it in the head. That's a joke. King's Chamber is some 23 measurement within. The truth lies in 0 as well, even though they were on a different number system likely- I don't know. The future causes the past just as much as the past "causes" the future.
It's not uncommon- my dream.
If anyone knows how to inject my extracted white blood cells with individual proteins of allergens, and then inject them back into me, I will pay them a pretty penny. Then I might be able to suck some real dicks (er I mean tits. I meant tits!).
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psychodead
Bluelighter
you mean convince myself so hard that it happens?
Really though, why has this turned into a is God real thing? Sure God is real. Why else would a word exist? Even if it's not what we think, it's certainly "real".
Also, Vegan- man who once told me I know nothing of pain... (on levels you are right, though- thanks for the warning.), your response makes no sense, though I see where you were going. I guess it does make sense if you just say you were presented with difficulties in life that made you strong, and problems to solve for wisdom, etc... Yea, it does make sense- I apologize, but why are you so desperate to knock another down? This is how they make sense of their world. Just because you aren't the same doesn't mean they're the same as you. They might be taller!
God, why does everyone believe in God??! God Damn! Jesus!
fuck you.
go to hell
Also, Vegan- man who once told me I know nothing of pain... (on levels you are right, though- thanks for the warning.), your response makes no sense, though I see where you were going. I guess it does make sense if you just say you were presented with difficulties in life that made you strong, and problems to solve for wisdom, etc... Yea, it does make sense- I apologize, but why are you so desperate to knock another down? This is how they make sense of their world. Just because you aren't the same doesn't mean they're the same as you. They might be taller!
God, why does everyone believe in God??! God Damn! Jesus!
fuck you.
go to hell
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P A
Bluelighter
^Bad move, kid.
Since you've become overtly abusive, I'm going to have to ask that you run along, and be crazy somewhere else.
Since you've become overtly abusive, I'm going to have to ask that you run along, and be crazy somewhere else.
MrGrunge
Bluelighter
I'm sensing some schizophrenia in this thread.
Could be. Does not mean I'm "wrong"- as has been said.
To go into it some more- with the comment to Vegan, unless you can't see, I was kind of trying to stick a mirror up. I am tired of people coming into a thread such as this to try to disprove God, or something, when that's not what it is about. It's not at all (directly, at least) conducive to any intended discussion, and for a moderator of P and S, you a really doing a shotty job at controlling things in regard, IMO. But you're a mod, and as a mod, you will (try to) mod.
Oh and referring to me as kid, is not abusive? Though don't get me wrong. It's appreciated, on at least one level.
Really a lot of disrespectful (without realizing it apparently) people in here, that are just allowed to fly because they seem to blend with a majority.
Can you not see how some of these comments- however cleverly disguised, are the same as me saying "fuck you."?- or/and being disrespectful/abusive/not conducive to positive discussion on the subject at hand?
Look at the first post of this thread. It was never a "Do my voices make me schizophrenic" thread, or does God exist or not...
But I guess as in any forum controversy will strike everywhere where there is thought exchange, such as this. So anyways. I vote you guys go ahead without me (this is emotionally rooted in part of course- but I think I will be ending my involvement after highlighting just a couple of things... But please, do move ahead. Don't reference me, or I might want to come back, or something.). See where this goes. Hopefully somewhere positive- moving toward mutual understanding and betterment regarding a subject it is intended for, instead of GOD DOESN'T EXIST/YES HE DOES.
So, to restart... I chose "Jesus"- because to me it clearly represents redemption/renewal, and that is essential to beauty- perhaps, in a conventional sense. To overcome, and triumph, rejuvenate. All these positive associations. Although, all aspects might be used, I think. In fact I think it'd be wrong to include one and not the other. My contribution.
The beginning...
To go into it some more- with the comment to Vegan, unless you can't see, I was kind of trying to stick a mirror up. I am tired of people coming into a thread such as this to try to disprove God, or something, when that's not what it is about. It's not at all (directly, at least) conducive to any intended discussion, and for a moderator of P and S, you a really doing a shotty job at controlling things in regard, IMO. But you're a mod, and as a mod, you will (try to) mod.
Oh and referring to me as kid, is not abusive? Though don't get me wrong. It's appreciated, on at least one level.
Really a lot of disrespectful (without realizing it apparently) people in here, that are just allowed to fly because they seem to blend with a majority.
Can you not see how some of these comments- however cleverly disguised, are the same as me saying "fuck you."?- or/and being disrespectful/abusive/not conducive to positive discussion on the subject at hand?
Look at the first post of this thread. It was never a "Do my voices make me schizophrenic" thread, or does God exist or not...
But I guess as in any forum controversy will strike everywhere where there is thought exchange, such as this. So anyways. I vote you guys go ahead without me (this is emotionally rooted in part of course- but I think I will be ending my involvement after highlighting just a couple of things... But please, do move ahead. Don't reference me, or I might want to come back, or something.). See where this goes. Hopefully somewhere positive- moving toward mutual understanding and betterment regarding a subject it is intended for, instead of GOD DOESN'T EXIST/YES HE DOES.
So, to restart... I chose "Jesus"- because to me it clearly represents redemption/renewal, and that is essential to beauty- perhaps, in a conventional sense. To overcome, and triumph, rejuvenate. All these positive associations. Although, all aspects might be used, I think. In fact I think it'd be wrong to include one and not the other. My contribution.
The beginning...
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MrGrunge
Bluelighter
Hearing voices and attributing them "God or a higher power" is a common trait amongst schizophrenics. The things the voices say are not necessarily wrong, since they are essentially your own intuition and unconscious thought, but believing the voices are coming from an external source is wrong. This isn't to say that God doesn't exist, just that you aren't actually communicating with Him - you're just talking to yourself. All people, whether they know it or not, have a vast collection of knowledge that they aren't even aware of - when such insight suddenly reveals itself, it's not uncommon for people to become surprised or otherwise emotionally affected by the revelation. Historically speaking, such insight might be viewed as communication with God - these thoughts can be so grand and appealing that it seems impossible to have come from one's own consciousness.
You're not "wrong" twentysix, but have you considered that you might not be "right"?
You're not "wrong" twentysix, but have you considered that you might not be "right"?
Oh yea... yea I have. All of the time. I also agree that they come from me. I don't see myself- logically as a (completely) separate entity, but a collection/culmination. Part of a process. Just another bud/fruit. Seed, to plant. Connected, dependent (yet independent also in a sense/alone). All my arguments are with myself, and you are all, and the world and all the murders, may be examples of just how sick I am (and healthy, redemptive- with numerous examples). You are all examples/representations of me, as you should (maybe) view me- of you, in a most respectable way- we should. Forgive the limits of my linguistic ability. Sometimes I'd rather not see it this way, but I can't not admit/consider.
"We're all just one consciousness experiencing itself".
I also never said they came from outside. That is a big hole. Outside in/Inside out, all in a sense, but literal too. I probably failed at communicating that.
Sometimes I like to see "God" as one author put it- "Guiding Organizing Designing" principle. Just the way things fall together. Tao, God, What-ever you want. But in my tree, well, I can't deny the influence of Jesus-God, and that way. But I also can't deny that parallel experiences were had elsewhere, on and through levels, and levels, and levels, and levels. This actually strengthens my idea that something is there that warrants attention.
I do accept that there is a lot I don't "know". And, I have faith. Even if that kills me.
"We're all just one consciousness experiencing itself".
I also never said they came from outside. That is a big hole. Outside in/Inside out, all in a sense, but literal too. I probably failed at communicating that.
Sometimes I like to see "God" as one author put it- "Guiding Organizing Designing" principle. Just the way things fall together. Tao, God, What-ever you want. But in my tree, well, I can't deny the influence of Jesus-God, and that way. But I also can't deny that parallel experiences were had elsewhere, on and through levels, and levels, and levels, and levels. This actually strengthens my idea that something is there that warrants attention.
I do accept that there is a lot I don't "know". And, I have faith. Even if that kills me.
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
you seem to actually realize that you're rationalizing irrationality. and you're content with it. so long as that's the case, it's just as pointless for you to try and sway others as it is for others to try and sway you. Once you've setup a premise wherein god is "kinda part of you" as well as an his own entity, and that you're just "part of the universe" or whatever, there's zero point in any discussing it with you. Please see aristotle's law of identity.
i don't even feel bad for you, despite how crippling such beliefs must be to any semblance of a happy and healthy mind, as you choose to be this way knowing you're making this choice.
and yes, i had unsubscribed from this thread days or a week ago - i came across it while in p&s (I'm just saying that now, because i'm sure your reply would've had emphasis on "bbb bbuut you said you weren't gonna talk about this lol")
i don't even feel bad for you, despite how crippling such beliefs must be to any semblance of a happy and healthy mind, as you choose to be this way knowing you're making this choice.
and yes, i had unsubscribed from this thread days or a week ago - i came across it while in p&s (I'm just saying that now, because i'm sure your reply would've had emphasis on "bbb bbuut you said you weren't gonna talk about this lol")
No I wouldn't respond that way, and to be honest... I spend a fair amount of time smiling. Could be because I'm just a crazy, unhealthy guy.
I don't really feel like seeing someone else's idea of Law right now- thanks though!
And for your assumptions.
I don't really feel like seeing someone else's idea of Law right now- thanks though!
And for your assumptions.
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Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
If you don't want to see it, please stop reading after this sentence.
it's not "law" in a legal sense.
it's the principle that something has an identity - whatever that identity is - and cannot have and not have said identity at the same time ("...for these truths hold good for everything that is, and not for some special genus apart from others... for a principle which every one must have who understands anything that is, is not a hypothesis... evidently then such a principle is the most certain of all; which this principle this is, let us proceed to say. It is, that the same attribute cannot at the same time belong and not belong to the same subject in the same respect.")
Simply put, A is A. You want to maintain a special reality for yourself, wherein A can become B. I hope that, on some level, you can understand how mentally-crippling such an artificial world-view can be.
it's not "law" in a legal sense.
it's the principle that something has an identity - whatever that identity is - and cannot have and not have said identity at the same time ("...for these truths hold good for everything that is, and not for some special genus apart from others... for a principle which every one must have who understands anything that is, is not a hypothesis... evidently then such a principle is the most certain of all; which this principle this is, let us proceed to say. It is, that the same attribute cannot at the same time belong and not belong to the same subject in the same respect.")
Simply put, A is A. You want to maintain a special reality for yourself, wherein A can become B. I hope that, on some level, you can understand how mentally-crippling such an artificial world-view can be.
I know it's not law in legal sense... but you seem to be treating it like there is no other possible way. I guess we all must think the same?
I'm still just me. I know that, though.
Many things about me are crippling in a sense. I can't deny that.
Still... You are right- I do choose this. I'd rather be me than anyone else. I'd rather eat only hemp seeds than bacon and eggs and salt and Etc... but that keeps me from life. I do crave what my disability prevents me from having at times, but in ways, and perhaps going along with being sick, I'm thankful I can't eat pizza, and that I can't kiss any girl who does.
As close as I claim to be sometimes- as a part of everything I say- you highlight... I couldn't be further away.
But you must understand, I do live in an extreme of sorts. I did not really choose (That I can remember) for my body to identify nearly everything as a foreign invader. Would it not make sense that I try to compensate, and might... if I can tolerate this extreme, actually be able to see as I see? ... That nothing is foreign. Everything is me.
Though- I don't mean to imply direct causation, though. I don't know. Just trying to paint some picture.
I do enjoy I admit, the somewhat unity of opposites.
I must disagree on calling it "artificial".
I'm still just me. I know that, though.
Many things about me are crippling in a sense. I can't deny that.
Still... You are right- I do choose this. I'd rather be me than anyone else. I'd rather eat only hemp seeds than bacon and eggs and salt and Etc... but that keeps me from life. I do crave what my disability prevents me from having at times, but in ways, and perhaps going along with being sick, I'm thankful I can't eat pizza, and that I can't kiss any girl who does.
As close as I claim to be sometimes- as a part of everything I say- you highlight... I couldn't be further away.
But you must understand, I do live in an extreme of sorts. I did not really choose (That I can remember) for my body to identify nearly everything as a foreign invader. Would it not make sense that I try to compensate, and might... if I can tolerate this extreme, actually be able to see as I see? ... That nothing is foreign. Everything is me.
Though- I don't mean to imply direct causation, though. I don't know. Just trying to paint some picture.
I do enjoy I admit, the somewhat unity of opposites.
I must disagree on calling it "artificial".
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What i would say is, you're most likely not communicating with "Him". And "i assume that you're wrong".
Because you do most likely not have any clue what the schizophreniac perceive and how real the reality within his/her perception/mind is. You base your "knowledge"/assumption on science/language and according to science/language the schizophreniac is not communicating with "Him" but himself, however, since you cant show us that this is true you do nothing but assume the schizophreniac is not communicating with "Him" but only with him/herself.
"Most likely" due to science, culture, emotions and general language between the majority of humanity.
"but believing the voices are coming from an external source is wrong."
Can you show us how this is wrong?
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er, maybe just reread it while keeping in mind that i don't systematically add smilies everywhere or write "sarcastic" in big red letters when i answer jokingly
where did you see that? 3 lines and you call me desperate?!
it takes a bit more than calling someone desperate to make him so
but as for my reply: arguments so flawed they show that the poster didn't take the time to actually consider their validity are annoying because they waste others' time.
while skimming through the thread i picked this one up and replied
nothing more. i'm not especially after you
and my post didn't make sense, right?
the last word, "subjectively", is very important to the meaning of this sentence. especially if you want to explain this to someone who is not familiar with the concept
"We're all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively"
as for pain. i don't remember the exchange, but i can easily think of which situation would make me say this. you were telling us that people shouldn't commit suicide, right?
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I never said you were wrong. Also, re. my relative moderating prowess, I'll have to beg your pardon.
No, not really. Mildly condescending, perhaps, but not abusive.
I want you to feel perfectly free to identify and quote any suspected abuser or detractor and PM me the apposite info (a quote, link to an offensive post, etc.). Seeing as how you've already devoted such a considerable amount of time to posting in this thread and sending me multiple PMs re. your infraction, I'm sure you can handle such a rudimentary task as directly notifying a moderator of any suspected abuse. Since you have not done this, I'm going to assume that you either A) Do not understand Bluelight's policies re. abuse and the reporting thereof, or B) Simply don't care enough to take <5 minutes out of your day to do so. In either case, your complaints are basically illegitimate, since you're either ignorant of Bluelight policy, lazy/negligent, or both. If you perceive a problem that's truly bothering you, please let me know (as in, personally, or through the usual reporting mechanism) and I'll see what I can do. Otherwise, I don't think we have anything more to discuss.
This much is true. Lay off the intarwebz theological debate everyone; and, yeah, 26, that includes you too.
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Bmxx... I have to go back and say that my connection is part of my happiness. You may call it crippling. You simply assume.
PA. Nobody blatantly says fuck you like I did, in examples I am thinking of, its more like I said... disrespect and assumptions. I guess in ways thats a lot like what I said "fuck you". Yea I admit that was wrong for me to say that. I will take the infraction.
Its really inciting of abuse condescending attitudes though. People ask for it.
And the bit earlier about me needing medical treatment for voices etc that I like... well... anyways. You simply don't know.
But yea- lets move on.
PA. Nobody blatantly says fuck you like I did, in examples I am thinking of, its more like I said... disrespect and assumptions. I guess in ways thats a lot like what I said "fuck you". Yea I admit that was wrong for me to say that. I will take the infraction.
Its really inciting of abuse condescending attitudes though. People ask for it.
And the bit earlier about me needing medical treatment for voices etc that I like... well... anyways. You simply don't know.
But yea- lets move on.
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