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Jesus or The Angels?

er, maybe just reread it while keeping in mind that i don't systematically add smilies everywhere or write "sarcastic" in big red letters when i answer jokingly

where did you see that? 3 lines and you call me desperate?!
it takes a bit more than calling someone desperate to make him so

but as for my reply: arguments so flawed they show that the poster didn't take the time to actually consider their validity are annoying because they waste others' time.
while skimming through the thread i picked this one up and replied
nothing more. i'm not especially after you

and my post didn't make sense, right? :)

the last word, "subjectively", is very important to the meaning of this sentence. especially if you want to explain this to someone who is not familiar with the concept

"We're all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively"

as for pain. i don't remember the exchange, but i can easily think of which situation would make me say this. you were telling us that people shouldn't commit suicide, right?

Good memory.

I do owe you specifically an apology for that. That's their choice. I have certainly felt it. I appreciate your grace with your response here. With the God deal you were at a boiling point.

I simply wish people would leave belief battles out of such a thread that really doesn't ask for them. Again I tried to direct course back. I guess it's just what I feel.

As for making sense- although I kept initial thought process up- I did say- I thought, that I can see how it does. It was just another God argument though... and once again... Very tiring.

I guess a lot of it is "if they don't believe in God- why are they going to church to say God doesn't exist?"
Not making sense... well, I struggle just how to put it.

Yeaaaa.... subjectively. I guess I need to remember some haven't heard that stuff. Assumptions and laziness.

Now again- let's get back on the subject. Please. No more attempts of "its not real so...". Not referencing you specifically.
 
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^the "trinity" thing f'd with me when i was going through the catholic thing. I actually remember a point when i realized i'd basically been addressing my nightly prayers wrong. lol
 
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Growing up, going to Christian school, I always thought it was.. weird.. that people prayed to Jesus.

Did God the Father ever say, "Hey, I'm leaving my Son, the keys to the mansion... You guys answer to him now.".

Also, Jesus never said "Pray to me"... No, in fact, he said it very well in John 10:31-38

"Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, "Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?" The Jews answered him, saying, "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.". Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken--what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'? Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."".

I went though a huge spiritual awakening, and during this time, I told everyone, "My father is inside of his son, as a spirit.". (Holy trinity) Then I figured out the meaning of my name.. Still wigs me out..

The point is this... I pray to my father in heaven.

Beautiful post <3

^the "trinity" thing f'd with me when i was going through the catholic thing. I actually remember a point when i realized i'd basically been addressing my nightly prayers wrong. lol

So you did believe in God at one point? At what time did you lose belief and what were your reasons?
 
yes; i was raised catholic. I can't recall how old I was, definitely before I was a teen but can't recall how early. and i didn't come to it abruptly, like there wasn't some singular thing that caused it, it just became less "real" as I got older. I know that, even years after I had ceased to believe in any conscious sense, after not praying or believing or being around religion for a long time, some part of me still may have on some level, because i was in a very very very bad situation when i was like 15 or 16, and i remember i was praying to god in my head (although, perhaps that points more to just flailing around mentally for any possibility of help, given the utter helplessness/fear of the situation - even now i will not say i'm "100.0000000000000000000%" atheist, probably just 99.99999999999999% atheist. I'm also only 99.999999999999% sure that the tooth fairy isn't running the show ;P )
 
you mean convince myself so hard that it happens?

No, it's more like something out of your control that happens to you, like a wordly experience.

For instance, going to sleep I often get flashes like little movie clips going through my mind. I just get random episodes play out that I never would have thought of. For instance, imagine myself having twins and feeding them, or being in a certain country doing something particular, or whatever. Just nothing connected to what is happening in real life and that you have had any time to think of or any kind of preparation leading up to. Not like a daydream, more like an actual dream that feels like real life. And it sometimes happens when I'm wide awake and my mind is just drifting too, so it's not like partly falling asleep.

It's like that, but it's something you have to experience to understand what it's like or believe it to be possible. Like hearing someone describe what being on Ecstacy or LSD is like when you haven't tried it, for instance. For someone with no experience with drugs it could sound like something just in your imagination. And, remember, drugs are only a was to faciliate experiences that can also come to you naturally, after all. Only it doesn't require the amount of work or level of consciousness it usuallly takes. You can feel high on love from drugs but you can also fall in love and feel just as high that way. So the way I see it, when you can't it's just something that's missing.
 
you mean convince myself so hard that it happens?

No, it's more like something out of your control that happens to you, like a wordly experience.
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And, remember, drugs are only a was to faciliate experiences that can also come to you naturally, after all. Only it doesn't require the amount of work or level of consciousness it usuallly takes.
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So who can you communicate with more easily - Jesus or Angels?

Just out of curiosity, I'd be interesting in knowing each of your's personal experiences. I can communicate with both God, Jesus, and the Angels, just in personal ways. In my inner experience all of them are slightly different.

Also, what makes the best inner beauty treatment - God, Jesus, or the Angels? Not being flippant, but the way I see it, colour and form is only one aspect of beauty, or the dead one. Think of dried roses - lost most of their grandeur have they? And not just for their withered petals but the spirit that's died inside. The soul of the beauty of the flowers is in their spirit and enhanced by their spiritual influence, of course. Like a smile of true love will make a face more beautiful to behold. Not so much about mind over matter, as matter being imbued by soul, much like mind being enriched/ensouled by soul too.

They all come from the holy spirit. They are all matured beings.
 
what, exactly, is a "matured being"? please be as specific as possible.

As beings on this planet we are continuously experiencing and learning. Tackling issues concerining pride, egoisim, good, evil, love, lust. Jesus, God and angels would all have surpassed this and become complete beings. Hopefully we will get there also. So whether he is feeling love from God, jesus or the angels is irrelevant; they are all of love. They are all complete beings. I hope to join them one day.... may take a few thousand years... but maybe!
 
Well, we all have to start somewhere... I can't pinpoint where they got their education. but you get my point, yes? "matured being" = one that has surpassed this world and come into greater knowledge?
 
Well, if you're just clowning I suggest you post in another forum. I was only answering the guys question. if you're not interested in alternative opinions you shoudln't be responding
 
A lot of people on this thread need serious psychological help.

Oh and the percentage of people who are atheist is around 50% if one doesn't include rednecks in America and Muslims in the ME that number is even higher. Eg in Scandinavia 90% are atheist.
 
No. Thanks... but as much as you might struggle against this- I doubt you understand.

Medicine can't currently treat what is really wrong with me. May be able to help, but due to an immune system issue I basically live in a bubble- and for one, the voices are very welcome company. Perhaps that's just my rationalizing the state of things, but it works better than "schizophrenia"... Especially since they are not threatening, but mostly calling for awareness, pointing out things, yada. And being male, a female companion (that would otherwise cause an allergic/immunological response), is kind of nice, and I miss them when they aren't there- like the time I supplemented taurine. -As well then my dreaming stopped (my memory)... so you tell me
I love dreaming. Life is a dream. They are part of me/me/my life.

Perhaps one day these possible projections will merge with a more this-level reality... I don't know. I don't know.

I do question them/myself... honestly. But this is deep. I guess, though, talking to anyone about it might bring insight. I keep forgetting that it is all just ... what I mentioned earlier- communication, movement, yada, and there is truth in everything if you look for it.

Getting back to allergies... the voices began with them/with their rise. A step- But my ex girlfriends also- their names can spell "Mask" if first letters are strung together. They also in ways I won't completely go into here, reflect my mother- to me. My first identified allergy was to milk. Identification came only after Donna- a girl a voice told me was my wife the first night I met her. The voice "boomed" relative to any that I have heard. I understood it clearly- unlike the others which sound, well, like schizophrenia voices are said to sound. Whispers, far away. Behind a wall (not necessarily physical)... This one was unmistakable- perhaps still in "another room", but more standing at a doorway to this one. Testing as I did sometimes obsessively in ways at the time, found that if she was... my wife- with my last name, that numerologically according to one of two ways that I calculate- her name sum would come out to 184- same as my mother's. I could go into more, but I am always missing something, it seems, when I talk.

There are so many weights. Food allergies nearly destroyed right my ear as a child (said 20s... but was effected always. Just noticed it then.).. And in 20s got my jaw realigned because thought I was suffering from a TMJ disorder. Mouth and ear. Milk allergy. Facial "pain" (more like years long torture/crucifixion). I was dating the star of the movie at the time. Alisha. Last name same as mother's maiden name- Finch. Milk. God she had the best tits.

And... we are all kind of sick anyways, but our existence depending on it- well, it cancels in ways.

Looping back around with ehhhhhhhhh (I love that. ehhhhhh. someone here with the recieving milk in bags, living in canada.. i just can't get away. ehhhhh) 23 0689 yea... I am crazy. I can't help it. I work this way. Uhh... In 2007 after finding the stuff with "Mask", after suffering for years with a facial pain that I can't describe. Try trigeminal neuralgia like symptoms caused by inflammation of the parotid gland. Trigeminal neuralgia is also known as "suicide disease". 5th Cranial nerve linked into the pons/amygdala... memories emotions.. smells.. fear. Relays. Just jotting this down. Apologies for the mess in this paragraph. Voices started then. They might be in a sense a "white noise" of sorts. My body/mind trying to make use of a burning fire. I don't know.

But where I meant to go... try not to get stuck in an 8 or 0 here... more a 6 or a 9... --Back in 2007, when I first discovered the "Mask" deal, among other things, spending all of my waking hours interpreting voices, writing in text files all day. Analyzing. Analyzing washing machines they say, listening for patterns (you know... crazy stuff :) ), I remember spending a lot of time on the name "Madonna". I remember I was so excited to see this pattern fulfilled- to see a fruit(s) of all of the roots that I saw before- but couldn't see above- with "Mask" and the patterns around. I was astounded. Words can't really describe the insecurity I felt over years- then met with this solidity- to me. The voice- male, similar to the booming one later, said "This is Pre-Ma-Donna". I had no idea what it meant. I didn't know what Prima Donna meant (and perhaps it was scolding me/at least challenging me in one dimension, for feeling I was some special holier than thou Christ figure). I thought it was like a time period. It felt like I hadn't seen it all- the whole picture, yet- one way I got it in regard to tone and everything around. I interpreted it as "Pre-Madonna", and the way the voice said it, often emphasizing "Ma"- separating from Donna, and how much attention I put into it at the time, analyzing every character, converting as I did (for example, by a conversion method I came up with spontaneously, the word Annunaki translated to- by conversion, "Hevunna"- Annunaki means from the heavens, apparently- so weighted again it is, even if slightly blurry), finding variations... and then years later, meeting "Ma" Donna... One really worthy that I've met- It just comes together, to me. She also goes along with "Prima Donna", in at least a sense, or two, or three.

I as many other crazies looked to the date of 12/21/2012 as something significant. I now see it as a point in time sort of like the beginning of any time period. Beginning or end. But those can be measured from anywhere, too... but this stood out, for many reasons. I don't mean to ruin any credibility. I met/ended with this Donna 203 weeks from that date. I spent only a week with her for reasons, well- compicated. 161 weeks prior, around Christmas with the last girl I was with, in that matrix of "Mask" (actually, M.), I was given a watch, that I found significant, but in a way I couldn't pin. It felt like a handcuff- how thick the band was, and at that moment, I sort of detached from her, opposing that "cuff" feeling. In chains. Yea.

I was born 203 days from the end of the year, from mother. 161 full days had passed. Mirror "Ma"-Donna. My mother and father together full name sums come to 365- the number of days in a year. Her full name is 184 which is my number 23- I was born 23 weeks into the year as well, am 23 x 2 chromosomes to begin with one from each parent, yada yada don't argue 23 please... 184 which is 23x8 or 2 to the 3rd power multiplied by 23. I met Donna 23 days into the year. We began talking around the time I was born, in a day. We entered her apartment, which she just moved into, around that time. I was born at 2203, or 203 at the head of the day (GMT/UT). This number I saw beginning with the issues in early 20s, with Alisha. Alisha also had this number around her. I don't look for it- per say. I do sometimes, but I'm usually aware when I am. 23 days remained until the declaration of independence for my country would be signed 206 bones ago at the time of my birth.

Yea. I gave up on trying to explain (I'm sorry, God- I'm resting. I'll be back.). I'm crazy. It's entertaining for me though. But painful sometimes (and other stuff). I feel I have more control than I give myself.

In the movie "Looper" year 23 he's suddenly with his wife.
Lost Charlie sees Claire and knows who she is suddenly, and the number 23 is clearly seen.
Jack is the number 23. Need a jack? Doctor jack.
The moon phase for my birth and the moon phase on my 23rd birthday can easily by most accounts of history form a "full moon" shape. Full circle. As well, this occurred at the turn of the century/millenium, with a girl with the last name Sterling- high school sweetheart. Her birth moon phase and mine can combine to form a full moon, by accounts of history (although of course varied, but as far as 360 degrees or so goes...). Silver moon. I took orange sunshine acid that night- first psychedelic. Got "lost" in/over/on her body for hours, and hers touching mine. Reflections.
Great Pyramid is 203 courses high no capstone and I like headshots (never shoot for less- for a kill) so I probably shot it in the head. That's a joke. King's Chamber is some 23 measurement within. The truth lies in 0 as well, even though they were on a different number system likely- I don't know. The future causes the past just as much as the past "causes" the future.

It's not uncommon- my dream.




If anyone knows how to inject my extracted white blood cells with individual proteins of allergens, and then inject them back into me, I will pay them a pretty penny. Then I might be able to suck some real dicks (er I mean tits. I meant tits!).


That's quite the stream of consciousness.

You mentioned that you feel you have more control than you give yourself; have you experimented with going the more controlled route for a while, to see where it leads?


p.s. You're not crazy--you're just dealing with integrating a more evolved brain in a society that doesn't understand, and therefore is unable to assist you.
 
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