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Jeremy Corbyn: A very old fashioned breath of fresh air?

i take it then the nobel prize winning economist was out the room during the decade in which labour grotesquely ballooned the national debt during boom years, sold the nations gold reserves at the lowest possible ebb and stuck half the nation on some form of state aid.


and please, the banking sector is the only thing keeping the country afloat. has been for ages and ages now. grow up

What has what brown and blair got up to got to do with the left? They are a prime example of the blatcherism i was talking about. And what does 'afloat' when normal people's incomes have only just reached where they were before the crash but the richest people's wealth has doubled in the same period? Germany does pretty good economically (ecb notwithstandsing) and that sort of social democracy is pretty much all corbyn is proposing - to me the economic sense is on the (neo)keynesian side - friedmann and the chicago cowboys have had their day.
 
Koneko i dont think his image is cultivated. Perhaps he just might be a genuine old school Socialist intellectual with his mind on more important things than ironing his shirts and getting the latest fashionable suit. Or perhaps im just naive.

Sammy, I dont think he's gonna pretend to be a man of the people, or anything other than what he is, but he could well be a man for the people. It's seems clear already that he's genuine in his principles and causes that he cares about, in stark contrast to most of the others who seem to parrot what they think 'the people' want to hear. Ive not looked into his background, but he's clearly not from the "lumpen proletariat" and wont make any pretences that he is. It's strange how proposing to turn the clock back 30 years can seem exciting and radical but it does.
 
it beats turning the clock back 150 years which is what the conservatives are set about doing at the moment.

rass said:
-They haven't scrapped child tax credits. They've just limited it to 2 children to stop large families raping the system and help the government redistribute the money where it's needed ie - child poverty

to take you up on just one of your naive points

The government has been challenged to justify an “incredibly distasteful” proposal in Wednesday’s budget which would require a woman who had a third child as the result of rape to justify her position in order to avoid losing tax credits.

why is 2 children ok but not 3? or 4? why should a rape victim have to prove she was raped to the government? 'large families raping the system' = you've been watching poverty porn on telly. These 'large families' are few in number (very few, and most of their benefits go directly to private landlords.

This government doesn't redistribute money to where it's needed. It redistributes money to it's members and it's wealthy donors. That is the tory party.
 
to take you up on just one of your naive points



why is 2 children ok but not 3? or 4? why should a rape victim have to prove she was raped to the government?

That's not the point. You originally said "scrapping of child tax credits" and now you've just proven that they haven't scrapped them at all, just restricted them to the first 2 children. Even labour agreed with the decision.

I'm guessing you avoided my other 3 "naive points" because you're having a hard time justifying this nonsense you come up with.
 
the fact labour abstained on the welfare bill is exactly one of the reasons why jeremy corbyn looks set to make a decisive win in the leadership contest.

this little gem from today

Ministers are considering plans to stop young Britons claiming in-work benefits because they have been told that the Tory manifesto pledge to apply such restrictions solely to EU migrants would be illegal, it has emerged.

Under the plan, a rule intended to stop EU migrants claiming benefits during their first four years in the UK would also stop Britons aged 18 to 22 claiming benefits such as tax credits and child benefit.

lovely lot the tories aren't they?

oh and they serial liars

Two formal complaints have been lodged with the UK statistics watchdog in recent weeks, with the government accused of misleading the public over the extent of sanctions and calls for more robust data to be issued.

Last month, the welfare minister, David Freud, refused to give parliament annualised sanction rates, saying that it was too expensive for the Department for Work and Pensions to provide them.

The Green party, which has been seeking publication of the figures, said: “The DWP clearly has something to hide. It has misrepresented its figures to cover up the full extent of its pernicious sanctions regime.

“The DWP should come clean and provide a true and accurate annual estimate. About one in six jobseekers are being sanctioned and this is taking a terrible toll – not just on jobseekers, but their families and children.”

people are dying because of this government, and not just the ones being blown up in the middle east.

Ian duncan smith has gone to court to prevent the release of figures from the DWP showing how many people died or comitted suicide after being sanctioned and their benefits removed.

[video="youtube;wcy8uLjRHPM"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy8uLjRHPM[/video]
 
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I like Jezza but I don't England is getting left-wing, I think it's more right-wing. And the only thing that will ever get back the working class is stopping immigration and Labour won't do that under Corbyn so who'se going to vote for him? Russell Brands twitter followers?
 
Cutting benefits for young people "because their hands are tied by Brussels" right before a referendum on the UK's continued membership of the EU is not just transparent, it's optically perfect with a refractive index of exactly 1.

Sharing out just one banker's annual bonus among all our immigrants (who do jobs that most Britons would turn their noses up at) would make a lot of people happy. And a poor Briton has more in common with a poor immigrant than they have in common with a rich Briton .....
 
Have i fallen into the wrong universe? I was just reading this bollocks anti-corbyn article in the daily mail where a well-known war-supporting blairite is dissing corbyn (though the paper describes him as a trot saying 'even the trots have turned on corbyn') - anyway, i read through the comments expecting the usual lowering of my respect for humanity, but many/most comments seem to be actually supportive of him. What the fuck's going on? (have i accidentally loaded a 'bigot-blocker' app? (maybe i just don't read daily mail comments enough)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/columnis...EW-PIERCE-broadside-Corbyn-Left.html#comments

The last yougov poll of labour members had jeremy on over 50% (32 ahead of burnham), so he'd win on first preference if that's right. They're making more noises about the vote being illegitimate now, but it'll be hard to go against such a landslide (they'll try though). I've hoped too many times to think corbyn's surge is anything but among the already converted, but it might be, given some fair debate opportunities (curses, my lefty hope's showing again!)

^^as for immigrants his position as is would be unpopular with many, though it might be different if it was backed up (in advance) with building adequate quality infrastructure so there was no strain on the locals (creating jobs/growth in the process), and also with strengthening of workers rights and a decent minimum wage so noone could be undercut (plus in the longer term, strongly advocating workers rights across europe so people don't need to move around to live a decent life). These sorts of arguments simply haven't had much serious airing in the last few decades - maybe when they do people's minds will change (maybe not, but i still think the left shouldn't assume they won't and then adopt what we think is wrong policy because that assumption, 'pragmatically' dropping our principles in the process).

Back in the early 90s, most people when polled agreed that people on benefits weren't to blame for their situation and that not much was lost by fraud - fast forward through two decades of benefit scrounger daytime telly (started under new labour) and jeremy kyle and the polling now reflects a much less sympathetic view (people think 35% of benefits is lost to fraud but it's actually less than 1% ) - noone likes to be told that their views have been manufactured but would those opinions have changed without the media bias?

(woops sorry for the rant - this is what makes the left so lovable eh ;) (that and telling people they're so stupid they've had their opinions given to them wholesale by the media)
 
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Cutting benefits for young people "because their hands are tied by Brussels" right before a referendum on the UK's continued membership of the EU is not just transparent, it's optically perfect with a refractive index of exactly 1.

Sharing out just one banker's annual bonus among all our immigrants (who do jobs that most Britons would turn their noses up at) would make a lot of people happy. And a poor Briton has more in common with a poor immigrant than they have in common with a rich Briton .....


you mean the predominantly muslim heritage immigrants whom given half a chance would behead you as a archetypal western affront to godliness?


and drop the antiquated leftist clichéd claptrap - these fucks are everywhere now, asda included. which may be beneath you, but not the majority. the more you liberal nutjobs talk on this, the more ridiculously out of touch you show yourselves to be
 
I'd rather be out of touch than in touch with policies and attitudes that wouldn't be out of place with hitler c1933 (just swap swarms of jews with migrants) (would "it's not my fault i was only following opinion polls" work in nuremberg?) (sorry to godwin you)

And you said 'cliched claptrap' in the same post as 'muslims want to chop your head off for being western', just so you know.
 
conflating muslims in general with ISIS / alqaeda is like saying all christians are members of the KKK. get a grip.

but you know, continue to blame everyone except those actually responsible for the fucked economic situation in this country as you wish.

The Labour Party

@UKLabour

If you are trying to register as a supporter and are experiencing difficulties, the deadline has been extended to 3pm if you want to vote.

top 10 countries accepting asylum applications in europe (from the governments website)

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most of these people are refugees, not economic migrants, and refugees fleeing violence the UK had a direct role in bringing about when it destroyed libya and made the civil war in syria worse.
 
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Most kids from Muslim families end up as functional agnostics. The nutters screaming for a theocratic caliphate (which could never happen in Europe, with exactly the kind of strong Human Rights legislation that would prevent such a system arising) are a tiny minority.

But I honestly wouldn't have a problem with denying legal adulthood to anyone who believes in a God. Imaginary friends are for children, after all.
 
What even some vague brahmanic/pantheistic mish-mash with pseudo physics? (have-your-cake-and-eat-it cosmology as i call it) (or a convenient personification/anthropomorphisation of such - how to separate this from the average person's understanding of the big bang...) (sorry to derail)
 
But I honestly wouldn't have a problem with denying legal adulthood to anyone who believes in a God. Imaginary friends are for children, after all.

Some people wouldn't have a problem denying you the use of the ladies' toilets. I wouldn't agree, nor would you, obviously. It's the same type of bigotry, albeit atheist bigotry at least pays lip service to 'science'. As opposed to actual science, which is by nature agnostic.

I'd much rather go for a drink with a clergyman than a fucking Dawkinsite, pious bastards that they are to a man (and yes, they're usually men).

Apologies if your comment was completely flippant, in which case it was quite funny. :)
 
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