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Bluelighter
It works on so many levels...
Jan 6 Attack on the Capitol and the aftermath
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It works on so many levels...
Trump vulnerable to Jan. 6 lawsuits after missing Supreme Court immunity deadline
"Donald Trump is now open to civil lawsuits over his alleged role in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot after missing a deadline to appeal a lower court ruling to the US Supreme Court.
The former president, 77, had until Feb. 15 to ask the nine justices to rule on whether he should be immune from civil cases blaming him for the violence — but no appeal was filed."
tl;dr
all the civil suits related to jan 6th can move forward.
only the best people.
alasdair
"Donald Trump is now open to civil lawsuits over his alleged role in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot after missing a deadline to appeal a lower court ruling to the US Supreme Court.
The former president, 77, had until Feb. 15 to ask the nine justices to rule on whether he should be immune from civil cases blaming him for the violence — but no appeal was filed."
tl;dr
all the civil suits related to jan 6th can move forward.
only the best people.
alasdair
AlsoTapered
Bluelighter
It seems unusual. Is it because a civil case is unlikely to succeed? Because the US has civil, state and federal systems of law, to an outsider it seems very complex.
nepalnt21
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maybe he knows it's fruitless and will just lay into the whole "witch- hunt" baloney narrative... then just try to get the last few healthy magamorons to overthrow the derp state and install trump as their actually- christ- benevolent- dictator- god- emperor
Conservative group tells judge it has no evidence to back its claims of Georgia ballot stuffing
"SAVANNAH, Ga. (AP) — A conservative group has told a Georgia judge that it doesn’t have evidence to support its claims of illegal ballot stuffing during the the 2020 general election and a runoff two months later.
Texas-based True the Vote filed complaints with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in 2021, including one in which it said it had obtained “a detailed account of coordinated efforts to collect and deposit ballots in drop boxes across metro Atlanta” during the November 2020 election and a January 2021 runoff.
A Fulton County Superior Court judge in Atlanta signed an order last year requiring True the Vote to provide evidence it had collected, including the names of people who were sources of information, to state elections officials who were frustrated by the group’s refusal to share evidence with investigators.
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True the Vote’s assertions were relied upon heavily for “2000 Mules,” a widely debunked film by conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza." (my emphasis)
file under "no surprise here".
alasdair
"SAVANNAH, Ga. (AP) — A conservative group has told a Georgia judge that it doesn’t have evidence to support its claims of illegal ballot stuffing during the the 2020 general election and a runoff two months later.
Texas-based True the Vote filed complaints with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in 2021, including one in which it said it had obtained “a detailed account of coordinated efforts to collect and deposit ballots in drop boxes across metro Atlanta” during the November 2020 election and a January 2021 runoff.
A Fulton County Superior Court judge in Atlanta signed an order last year requiring True the Vote to provide evidence it had collected, including the names of people who were sources of information, to state elections officials who were frustrated by the group’s refusal to share evidence with investigators.
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True the Vote’s assertions were relied upon heavily for “2000 Mules,” a widely debunked film by conservative pundit and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza." (my emphasis)
file under "no surprise here".
alasdair
AlsoTapered
Bluelighter
I have often wondered if these various groups are acting in good faith. US politics is becoming increasingly cynical with negative campaigning being the cornerstone of political activity. More than one friend has told me their vote was based on a single issue. That is fertile ground for populism.
A few nations try to ensure that everyone votes. The theory is that it makes it impractical to identify and appeal to key demographics.
I've always maintained that whatever your political position, it's important to vote. In the UK we had a general election in which under 60% of people voted. That is not a clear mandate in my opinion.
A few nations try to ensure that everyone votes. The theory is that it makes it impractical to identify and appeal to key demographics.
I've always maintained that whatever your political position, it's important to vote. In the UK we had a general election in which under 60% of people voted. That is not a clear mandate in my opinion.
big news: Supreme Court to hear arguments in Trump immunity case in April
"The U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral arguments the week of April 22 in a high-stakes dispute over whether former President Donald Trump enjoys immunity from federal criminal prosecution.
The order from the court Wednesday keeps Trump's prosecution in the Jan. 6 case on hold, for at least a few more months.
The justices said, in an unsigned order, that their review would be limited to a single question: "Whether and if so to what extent does a former President enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office.""
alasdair
"The U.S. Supreme Court will hear oral arguments the week of April 22 in a high-stakes dispute over whether former President Donald Trump enjoys immunity from federal criminal prosecution.
The order from the court Wednesday keeps Trump's prosecution in the Jan. 6 case on hold, for at least a few more months.
The justices said, in an unsigned order, that their review would be limited to a single question: "Whether and if so to what extent does a former President enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office.""
alasdair
AlsoTapered
Bluelighter
Moment of existential danger to the USA. Is someone above the law?
I feel that whatever a person's political position, in a democratic nation the answer is no.
I feel that whatever a person's political position, in a democratic nation the answer is no.
i've asked that same question a couple of times and, while this is a forum of often significant disagreement, i've not seen anybody here side with trump and argue presidents should have immunity.
alasdair
alasdair
AlsoTapered
Bluelighter
Will Trump Go To Trial In Jan. 6 Case Before Election? What To Expect After Supreme Court Takes Up Case.
The Supreme Court will hold oral arguments in April to determine whether Trump can be immune from criminal charges.
www.forbes.com
Evidently a lot of people are prepared to vote for someone who is found guilty of Federal charges. Sedition, one would think, would be one of the few crimes that clearly underlines the fact that someone has attempted to undermine the democratic process.
Voting for someone who is trying to end voting...
Court records from Trump attorneys Troupis and Chesebro reveal depth of fake elector scheme
"Two attorneys with deep ties to Wisconsin worked together to carry out a scheme to keep Donald Trump in power after he lost reelection in 2020, new court records show.
Former Trump attorneys Jim Troupis and Kenneth Chesebro made public this week "troves of previously hidden emails, text messages, and other documents" as part of an agreement to settle a lawsuit filed against them over a plan to have 10 Wisconsin Republicans sign and submit paperwork claiming to be electors for Trump, according to the plaintiffs' attorneys.
“Troupis and Chesebro orchestrated an egregious and unprecedented scheme to undermine the will of the voters, in Wisconsin and beyond,” Jeff Mandell of Stafford Rosenbaum LLP and Law Forward, who represented the plaintiffs, said in a statement." (my emphasis)
another word for that part i bolded is "insurrection".
alasdair
"Two attorneys with deep ties to Wisconsin worked together to carry out a scheme to keep Donald Trump in power after he lost reelection in 2020, new court records show.
Former Trump attorneys Jim Troupis and Kenneth Chesebro made public this week "troves of previously hidden emails, text messages, and other documents" as part of an agreement to settle a lawsuit filed against them over a plan to have 10 Wisconsin Republicans sign and submit paperwork claiming to be electors for Trump, according to the plaintiffs' attorneys.
“Troupis and Chesebro orchestrated an egregious and unprecedented scheme to undermine the will of the voters, in Wisconsin and beyond,” Jeff Mandell of Stafford Rosenbaum LLP and Law Forward, who represented the plaintiffs, said in a statement." (my emphasis)
another word for that part i bolded is "insurrection".
alasdair
gordonliddy
Bluelighter
Are you open to a debate on this, Brother? I would think that anyone serious about improving the political process would attempt to restrict, not increase the percentage of people who vote.
Back in the day when I had an office job, I was able to get a lot more done in the office when I did my utmost to make sure that only people who were intelligent and who actually cared voted on issues. Mind you the stuffy government offices that I worked in are by no means a decent laboratory for national political experiments, yet that is the best data I have.
...wouldn't encouraging people who don't actually care about the issues, or who are outright dumb from voting actually hurt things? Serious question. Although I'll admit that I'm 10% attempting to change your perspective.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
My instinctual inclination would be to agree, as I think a lot of people would. However, when you really think about it, that's really not a good approach to government for several reasons.
From various observations in my own life, it's often people on the lower end of the intelligence spectrum who believe they are the most intelligent, e.g. Dunning-Kruger. There are also many forms of intelligence. Who is anyone to truly gauge the intelligence of someone else they barely even know?
Dumb, ignorant, and unintelligent people deserve a voice in politics just as much as anyone else. It almost pains me to say that, but trying to disenfranchise people because they are "dumb" or "apathetic" is a cliff of a slope... that viewpoint turns into radically extreme politics pointing any direction on the spectrum.
Just because people may disagree or show disinterest with a certain political stance doesn't necessarily make them dumb or apathetic.
What about people with certain mental disabilities? Would you start barring people who have down syndrome, or schizophrenia, or clinical depression from voting?
Cliff of a slope.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
pretty sure you could interpret that as a right to vote even if you're stupid -^
gordonliddy
Bluelighter
Thanks for weighing in, Bro. Yeah, I have to admit that my personal policies have only been tested at the office level. I might feel bad experimenting on humanity at the national level. Anyway I doubt that very many people would 'volunteer' for one of my social experiments, LOLOL
nepalnt21
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gordonliddy
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Jan. 6 Journalist Facing an FBI ARREST Reveals Who’s Calling the Shots
The FBI has ordered investigative journalist and Blaze Media correspondent Steve Baker to turn himself in, but he believes the full story is even more corrupt than it sounds. Baker is facing misdemeanor charges connected to his reporting at the Capitol on January 6th, 2021. But he still hasn’t...
www.glennbeck.com
Burnt Offerings
Bluelight Crew
That power and foresight definitely did not appear to be on display on January 6th, that’s for sure
Pro-Trump lawyer Stefanie Lambert turns herself in at Oakland Co. courthouse
only the best people.
alasdair
only the best people.
alasdair
TheLoveBandit
Retired Never Was, Coulda been wannabe
Well, from anywhere I can imagine taking a position, my answer would be a solid 'no. no immunity'. While I want to laugh at his lawyers attempting this defense, I can't because it is just.so.sad.
