Jack3d

Voxide said:
I like where this thread is going.

Can we please close this?
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I got my answer so go for it

-Guido- said:
Jack3d is garbage. You can basically consider it a low level amphetamine like drug. In higher doses it's catablolic, neurotoxic, causes vasoconstriction, a comedown of sorts, anxiety, panic attacks, and can cause elevated blood pressure and increased heart rate. Not only that, you become dependent on it.

I used it for a few weeks before I chucked it.
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Have to agree with this. Its utter shite, just made me jittery, restless, gave me pins and needles (vasoconstriction probably) and made me feel sick.

I'm thinking perhaps the people who benefit from this are the people who havnt used a proper stimulant such as amphetamine before for some reason.
All the people I have spoke to who have used things like amph or mdma report only bad things, people who havnt used any recreational stims report good things.

Is there any logic in this? Or is this coincidence?
 
treezy z said:
i've used pretty much every drug out there and i still like DMAA before workouts. it puts me into kind of a rage and i focus more.
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You'd still be better off with some good food and a cup of coffee.
 
treezy z said:
why does DMAA fuck up the workouts somehow? i get it pure so i'm not paying much.
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Because it's pretty much all cortisol induced mania. You're not doing your heart any favors either, especially if you supplement with exogenous androgens. Just because you feel like you're getting a good workout doesn't mean anything significant is happening. Once I learned how to eat and train properly to achieve a balance of strength and hypertrophy, my need for all these bullshit stimulants quickly vanished; including caffeine.
 
Voxide said:
Because it's pretty much all cortisol induced mania. You're not doing your heart any favors either, especially if you supplement with exogenous androgens. Just because you feel like you're getting a good workout doesn't mean anything significant is happening. Once I learned how to eat and train properly to achieve a balance of strength and hypertrophy, my need for all these bullshit stimulants quickly vanished; including caffeine.
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Hey Voxide I wasn't aware of that.... DMAA is banned here in NZ but we still have stocks, I've been using 30mg as a pre-workout stim on heavy leg or back days only, inclusive of exogenous androgens... I definitely notice a difference in strength and rep volume... I wasn't aware it could be detrimental... If you could post a few links I'd be grateful....... Thanks in advance....
 
Genetic Freak said:
Hey Voxide I wasn't aware of that.... DMAA is banned here in NZ but we still have stocks, I've been using 30mg as a pre-workout stim on heavy leg or back days only, inclusive of exogenous androgens... I definitely notice a difference in strength and rep volume... I wasn't aware it could be detrimental... If you could post a few links I'd be grateful....... Thanks in advance....
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There hasn't really been any conclusive studies done on these drugs (Another good reason not to use them) so I'm afraid I'm stumped. I can however lead you to many articles that prove even caffeine boosts cortisol to a significant degree. I figure since DMAA is obviously more potent then the effect will pretty much be the same if not more detrimental. All stimulants will boost your cortisol because they mess with your adrenal glands and produce norepinephrine when it really isn't needed. I know the hyped up feeling people are talking about. It's placebo coupled with being jacked up on amphetamine-like drugs. Form goes in the toilet, rest periods shorten to a bunch of brief pauses, you neglect to hydrate, end up spending more time in the gym than necessary, etc. As of now there is no real proof but the assumption isn't really that outlandish.

If an individual relies on these pre-workout supplements in order to feel like they are doing real work, then their diet and sleeping habits aren't up to par.
 
nolys said:
I got my answer so go for it



Have to agree with this. Its utter shite, just made me jittery, restless, gave me pins and needles (vasoconstriction probably) and made me feel sick.

I'm thinking perhaps the people who benefit from this are the people who havnt used a proper stimulant such as amphetamine before for some reason.
All the people I have spoke to who have used things like amph or mdma report only bad things, people who havnt used any recreational stims report good things.

Is there any logic in this? Or is this coincidence?
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I think there may be some logic to it. I have used Amphetamine, Cocaine, Methamphetamine, MDMA, MDA, MDE, and I can only report negative shit about these designer stimulants, especially the ones being used in preworkout supplements and a majority being used as legal highs.

Honestly, the only designer stimulant I have never had a problem with is MPA (Methiopropamine). Many people hate it (because it lacks euphoria at low doses, and higher doses it induced decent euphoria but the side effects can be too much); At a low oral dose I like it because it doesn't make you jittery, doesn't make your heart flutter, and isn't very psychoactive, and you can sleep. It's a functional stimulant for tasks that require thinking. It's a tool, not a drug to be abused. I have used it a few times at work (4 times since January) when I needed to enter some massive amounts of data, and at home I have used it when I needed to catch up writing up diets, routines, cosmetic advice, and cycles for people.

I would like to add just because I say I don't have a problem with MPA doesn't mean I use it as a pre-workout. Nor do I use it constantly when I need to do something, especially considering the fact I am on steroids that raise blood pressure. I wouldn't be caught dead using it while lifting or engaging in psychical activity, that is just idiotic. Why anybody would use stimulants as a pre-workout when they cause vasoconstriction boggles my mind. My preworkout is some motivational music, and posing in the mirror, and looking forward to what I will be seeing in the mirror with hard work and time.
 
Never thought of It like that guido, stupidly up until now I havnt considered the effects of these stimulants on my body whilst doing physical activity.
I think ill just forget pre workout suplements from here on, apart from maybe a coffee or red bull if I'm tired
 
nolys said:
Never thought of It like that guido, stupidly up until now I havnt considered the effects of these stimulants on my body whilst doing physical activity.
I think ill just forget pre workout suplements from here on, apart from maybe a coffee or red bull if I'm tired
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Probably a wise choice. I've been experimenting with 1,3-DMAA and I find it more beneficial as a nootropic/cognitive enhancer rather than an effective pre-workout. As many people as there are who are highly against this, as far as stimulant pre-workouts go, ECA is king; it blows any designer stimulant out of the water. If any lurkers are considering it, make sure to do the research before trying.

Beta-alanine is also good pre-workout, and it is not a stimulant, it's an amino-acid. It has a good body of evidence documenting its effectiveness. Only draw back is that fucking tingling sensation.

Best to stay away from the pre-workouts though, with the exception of maybe beta-alanine and L-tyrosine...too many lifters get caught in the ritual of stimulant pre-workouts and get the blues if they don't have it.
 
I've taken JACK3D a few times. Haven't taken it enough to give a fair assessment on it though. The times I have taken it though, I've felt I had solid workouts.
 
noddinoff said:
dont feel sorry man it works for me so i dont really give a fuck what you think, its not a placebo btw. a lot of people use it. i feel sorry for people that have to talk shit over the internet, it has a lot of good stuff in it besides the stimulant anyways. i really hate people like you, just cuz u dont use it it dosent mean its shit, get a life troll loser. everyone has days when they dont feel motivated, and jack3d gives me that little extra push i need to get out the door. why do u care wtf i use anyways im just telling the truth about how it works for me

btw i looked at your posts and all you do is talk shit. your probably a puny little bitch with low testosterone that talks shit to other people to make your self feel better. your a bitch dude, i wish i could cave ur little retarted face in.
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I think you'll find he says it how it is to retards asking the same dumb retarded questions.. Big difference to talking shit..!!
 
noddinoff said:
dont feel sorry man it works for me so i dont really give a fuck what you think, its not a placebo btw. a lot of people use it. i feel sorry for people that have to talk shit over the internet, it has a lot of good stuff in it besides the stimulant anyways. i really hate people like you, just cuz u dont use it it dosent mean its shit, get a life troll loser. everyone has days when they dont feel motivated, and jack3d gives me that little extra push i need to get out the door. why do u care wtf i use anyways im just telling the truth about how it works for me

btw i looked at your posts and all you do is talk shit. your probably a puny little bitch with low testosterone that talks shit to other people to make your self feel better. your a bitch dude, i wish i could cave ur little retarted face in.
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If you don't feel motivated take some ephedra or caffeine. Better than fucking jack3d and the ungodly amount of bet aline they put in it that gives you the tingles making people think its working great.

He cares about what you use because he knows how to build bodies.

If you looked at his posts you would of seen a picture he posted of himself a while back. I'm sure since then he has gotten bigger and leaner.
 
noddinoff said:
dont feel sorry man it works for me so i dont really give a fuck what you think, its not a placebo btw. a lot of people use it. i feel sorry for people that have to talk shit over the internet, it has a lot of good stuff in it besides the stimulant anyways. i really hate people like you, just cuz u dont use it it dosent mean its shit, get a life troll loser. everyone has days when they dont feel motivated, and jack3d gives me that little extra push i need to get out the door. why do u care wtf i use anyways im just telling the truth about how it works for me

btw i looked at your posts and all you do is talk shit. your probably a puny little bitch with low testosterone that talks shit to other people to make your self feel better. your a bitch dude, i wish i could cave ur little retarted face in.
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What a profoundly intelligent post. Are you done?

You really ought to just overdose and save yourself the $10.
 
Voxide said:
What a profoundly intelligent post. Are you done?

You really ought to just overdose and save yourself the $10.
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If he was smart he would take the $10 and spend it on oats and egg whites.
 
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